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Topic: My comments/replies to web-based homeroast forum (long/treatise like) (9 msgs / 252 lines)
1) From: Ed Needham
Eric, I appreciate your expertise in the area of 'fora' (just using that word
let me know you must be an expert ).
Actually, I think the best reason to keep it as a mailing list is that it is
just 'there' every day, in my mailbox.  I can hit 'delete delete delete' to
the posts I am not interested in or read and post till my heart's content.
The 'thread' issue is a moot point for me.  With Outlook Express, I can sort
messages more than five ways, including by subject, date, sender or size,
with a single click.  No waiting for pages to refresh or other web based
slowdowns.  Going back is just as easy.  I've been doing lists and Usenet
since 1994 and this has never been a real issue for me.
If the Homeroast List were out there on a web page somewhere, I might not be
nearly as active on the list.  My guess is that Tom would prefer to have the
list in everyone's mailbox too.  I'm sure it has to be a great marketing tool
for Sweetmaria's.  I wouldn't blame him a bit either.  It's just good
business.  A win-win for all.  I appreciate that it hits me in the face every
time I download email, and it seems a bit more personable that way too.  I
read alt.coffee and two other mailing lists on genealogy every day, and I'm
afraid the Homeroast list would get lost in the shuffle if it were not front
and center.
My last post on the issue.  Back to roasting.
Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
"Nunc Aut Nunquam"
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com

2) From: Dan Bollinger
I dump all my homeroastlist messages into a homeroast folder so they are all
together and it is much easier to follow the discussions whenever I like.

3) From: john
Thunderbird displays email threads like Usenet??  I had no idea!  I wonder
if Outlook could be configured to do the same thing...
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4) From: John Blumel
It may be possible to satisfy both those who prefer an email based 
forum (myself included) and those who would prefer some other format 
that does not arrive in their inbox.
Mailman (the list server that supports the homeroast list) has the 
capability to copy messages sent to the email list to a news (NNTP) 
server and also to copy messages sent to the news server to the email 
list. The newsgroup could be private (i.e., not published to USENET) 
and posting/reading could probably be restricted, by the same user id 
and password used to change your list settings, to subscribers of the 
homeroast list. If you only wanted to use the news server version of 
the list, you could disable mail delivery on your subscription and 
simply access the newsgroup to read messages.
This solution would also have a couple of other advantages:
* It would avoid the problem of SPAM that many public newsgroups and 
web fora are subject to. (Since subscriptions still have to be approved 
by the list administrator, as they are now.)
* It would provide an automatic, threaded archive of the homeroast list 
that could be used to search for old information and could be easily 
and accurately referenced when directing individuals with commonly 
asked questions to answers (rather than reposting or simply telling 
them to search the archives).
This would require some work to set up but the effort would probably be 
significantly less than setting up a web forum or otherwise reinventing 
the wheel. The only point it would not address directly would be the 
segregation of chat type messages to a separate venue, however, I think 
the effort to do that would be largely wasted anyway.
John Blumel

5) From: Dan Bollinger
John, Try sorting by 'subject' and see what happens.

6) From: Bob Sanders
But it would also require more robust computer hardware.  As it must sustain
many possible simultanous access', thus putting more strain on the system
and costimg more in bandwidth charges.
Yes, it's best not to underestimate the effort required to setup a web based
forum.  I spent time last year looking at a lot of Content Management Systems
and the more convoluted ones - PHPNuke, Slash, etc. were major pains to setup
just to test them out.  Some of the simpler ones still needed to be customized
and required delving into the source code to find those missing little bits
not in the install guides.  Also, note that hosting a web-based, database
driven forum will take more time and resources away from Tom and Maria's 
main focus - great coffee and supporting equipment for great coffee.
When people want a forum, it may prove more convenient for many of the users,
but it becomes a bigger burden on those hosting the forum, including insuring
there is a fail-over system, a bigger comm pipe to handle possible traffic loads,
more ways to cover the cost of the hardware, system administration, and
bandwidth charges.
And then there is the day someone drops a link about some cool item on the
forum onto Slashdot.

7) From: john
Sorting didn't work, but grouping (first by subject, then by date) sort of
does.  I wonder why I never thought of doing this for my subscribed mailing
lists? :)  I have rules in place to put everything in separate folders so
that I can view them at my leisure (and clear my inbox for personal emails).
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8) From: Ed Needham
I use Outlook Express and you can set it to group into threads by doing
"When you are in either your Inbox or a newsgroup, on the View menu, point to
Current View, and then select Group Messages by Conversation."
Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
"Nunc Aut Nunquam"
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com

9) From: Ed Needham
Yes...I just posted a way.
"When you are in either your Inbox or a newsgroup, on the View menu, point to
Current View, and then select Group Messages by Conversation."

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