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Topic: [coffee] +Thought you guys would be interested in this (22 msgs / 476 lines)
1) From: Rick Farris
Everything they said is exactly right, and falls pretty much along party
lines on this list.  What's your point?

2) From: Bill Martin
A)  did you read all three?
B)  I don't have a point, I'm trying to learn.
C)  If you present a confrontational attitude, you'll drive newbies 
like me away from this list...  or is this list just for folks who are 
already experts??
I sent this along for comments and commentary by the folks on this list 
who would have an opinion, one way or another, and who might be able to 
enlighten me and a few other newbies to homeroasting.
Frankly, your comment was a tad offputting.
So, thanks for your "comment".
I won't presume to do anything like this ever  again, as it obviously 
is beneath your elevated notice.
On Mar 5, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Rick Farris wrote:
When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

3) From: John Abbott
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 12:45, Rick Farris wrote:
Sounds like the beginning of a *$ ad :o))

4) From: John Abbott
You need to go look up the word Curmudgeon.  Rick is a staunch member of
the Curmudgeon Corps.  I too pull those Curmudgeon lines occasionally
and like Rick mean them more as humor than a combative stance.  If you
check out the rouges gallery on Alchemist John's pages you'll find that
Rick and I (and some others - lots of others) are a part of the white
hair gang.
Don't be put off by what is perceived as a negative response.  When its
really negative it will be echoed by several curmudgeons.  Most of us
are happy most of the time.  Its a fabulous list and we kid a bit hard
now and then.
Incidental -If you really want to see Rick at his best - make a long
post in HTML  :O))
And to your point - I don't agree that French Press brewing kills the
flavors of a coffee - it doesn't filter out anything and tends to taste
stronger with much more body than a pour over or vacuum pot.  It was a
French Press that hooked me on stronger coffee - then came the espresso
and all hope was lost!
hang in there bud!
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 12:53, Bill Martin wrote:
- - 
John - enjoying life in the slow lane

5) From: Dave Huddle
Thanks for posting the article.
Interesting reading.
Dave H.  	Westerville, OH

6) From: Cedrick W. Stanton
Hi Bill
What specifically are you hoping to learn?
I think the article you posted is fairly accurate that burning the heck 
out of coffee destroys whatever unique character it had.  Burned coffee 
beans taste like burned coffee beans, and if you prefer that flavor then 
more power to you.  It's not really what I'd expect most people on this 
list to prefer, but it's not especially controversial either.
What response were you hoping to get by posting the story?
Nah, it's for newbies too.  I don't think Rick was trying to hurl abuse 
at you.  I'd recommend you try to develop a thicker skin if you want to 
participate in conversations on the internet. 
Now, now.  If you get all defensive, you're only going to get yourself 
flamed for real.
Anyway, welcome to the list.

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
The article(s) was much more on point than I'd expected it to be. Basically
generally speaking the darker the roast the less varietal characteristics
(and bean quality) come through. I roast lighter overall now than I did 3
years ago. At one time I roasted Sumatra to a rolling 2nd light oil sheen.
Now it's just maybe the barest first hint of 2nd and maybe a drop or two at
And hey, Rick's not a bad guy. I mean, check out his "mug" photo! At first
Rick's style put me off too, we've had our differences in the past. But hey,
Rick is one of the certified List curmudgeons, and curmudgeons by nature can
be confrontational! (Wandering John tries but I think Rick is better at
it:-) I find Rick's posts rather fun now! And most often full of valuable
input and information. (Rick, I know you don't "need" defending so don't be
offended BTW)
I was curious what you meant by (as Rick may have been too):
"Send your flames to Cooks Illustrated..... not me.  :-)"
Didn't see how the post would induce flames myself... unless roasting beyond
French to 3rd crack of course!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer etc.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm

8) From: Gene Smith
Same for me, Bill.  It was a nice summary of a bunch of different elements
that are apparently old news to some folks, but not to me.  If nothing else,
it makes it very clear how hard it is to quantify organic products...and how
difficult that makes purchasing decisions.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

9) From: Tom Ulmer
If I understood the gist of the article correctly, it is attempting to
discuss quality of beans, roasting techniques, and the taste buds of a
control group...
Think it's time to run to rant. Firstly, because it's my nature and
secondly, because, well, that's what caffeinated individuals do well.
Discourse as to the coffee bean:
Nature only on rare occasions produces anything identical. Wonderful for
those of us inclined toward culinary adventure.
Discourse as to bean preparation:
Merely a palette expressing desire for something that tastes good.
Discourse as to the gourmet:
Seems as though there are Democratic, Republican, and Independent views...
all with a  common quest of that illusive "perfect" taste.

10) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
On Mar 5, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Dave Huddle wrote:
     It was interesting to read something about coffee that was not 
mostly wrong for a change..  Except for failing to note the importance 
of freshness, I would consider it a good informative article for most 
of the people out there.
Jim Gundlach
roasting over pecan wood fires
in La Place, Alabama

11) From: HeatGunRoast
--- Rick Farris  wrote:
An interesting article.  And it was about coffee.  Not a bad combo for this list. 
Maybe you should have marked the posts with an "OT."  (For "On Topic")  That way
whoever didn't want to be bothered could skip over it.  
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12) From: Ed Needham
The article was not an eye opener, but it was an interesting read of how dark
roast coffee is perceived by different groups and how lower quality beans can
be substituted for higher quality ones if varietal flavors are roasted out
and roast flavor predominates.  Also, the darker roast beans can be used to
cut through large milk drinks without sacrificing higher quality beans.
since Rick does not typically blast away at other listmembers, I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt and say either he had no hurtful intent and the post
just came off a bit harsh, or maybe he's run out of good coffee and has been
drinking Foulgers. 
Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
"Nunc Aut Nunquam"
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com

13) From: Bill Martin
OH,  that's something I didn't realize about this list.  OT usually 
means  "Off Topic".  Hmmm  Interesting.  I'll have to try that.
On Mar 5, 2004, at 12:28 PM, HeatGunRoast wrote:
When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

14) From: John Blumel
On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:06pm, John Abbott wrote:
Uh, Ms. Lattella... The post was about French Roast. Not French Press, 
French Roast.
John Blumel

15) From: Gene Smith
John Abbott suggests:
Is this the Ladies Auxiliary to the Rogues Gallery, John?  If so, I *must*
check it out!
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

16) From: Bill Martin
On Mar 5, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Cedrick W. Stanton wrote:
Pro's/Con's/Opinions about magazine editors who delve into just the 
surface of things they may or may not have any experience with.  In 
bbq, it is apparent fairly quickly when a newspaper, tv network or 
magazine writer has an assignment that they know nothing about.  With 
bbq, there are some fairly obvious no-no's.  Two of which are Liquid 
Smoke, and parboiling ribs!  There are others.  Most everyone who knows 
The True Way in bbq, pretty much agree on most all of these things.  
Techniques may be slightly different, but there are venial and well as 
mortal sins.  I'm trying to get a feel for this coffee roasting thing 
in the same way.  So, far, there seems to be a lot of subtle nuances in 
the roasting process for different kinds of beans in different years, 
and....  I'm just trying to get a ballpark handle on all this.
Null-content comments like "what's your point?" don't address the 
questions I don't even know enough yet to ask.
If someone already knows it all.....  why are they, then wasting their 
time remaining on the list??
Yeah, I've been doing this internet email thang for about 15 
years...Been a consultant, support and sys admin for nearly 20 years, 
so I have an unusually thick skin.  Just don't expect snot from a total 
stranger, right off the bat.  Usually comes later on, after you have a 
chance to either learn about or expose yourself as an A**hole.    
Now I know of at least one, on this list.
Ahhh.  Take a peek in at the BBQ list.... I know how to handle myself 
in a good ole flame up.  Just didn't think with all the 
highly-caffeinated guys and girls here it would start so soon.
Thanks, Cedrick.
When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

17) From: John Abbott
John Blumel wrote:
French Roast - French Press  All French look alike to me :o)

18) From: John Abbott
Gene Smith wrote:

19) From: Bill Martin
On Mar 5, 2004, at 9:31 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
In some other lists, when a magazine takes a stand on something that is 
within the purview of the list, (and sometimes, even not), the person 
drawing the attention of the list to the article, TV show, or 
newspaper....usually gets the flame.  Whereas the writer should be 
brought to task, rather than killing the messenger.
When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

20) From: John Abbott
Where has this been for 150 minutes?   I gather the server is still 
John - no attachment with this email
John Abbott wrote:

21) From: peter zulkowski
Seems longer than that John. Right now I am seeing the posts show up 
from yesterday. Sure hope my PC is not the one with the worm. Yup, 
several virus checkers, but you can never be sure :(
John Abbott wrote:

22) From: Gene Smith
I was just *sure* you were going to say "Is my face red!"
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
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