I have be trying to determine which espresso maker I want to replace the two I lost in the fire. Well, I am narrowing it down and have a short list to around 3. I was looking over them last night when Penny started reading over my shoulder. For more input, I asked her opinion about what she thought and how much to spend etc. I know, you think you know how this is going to end. Well, response was I should get the most expensive one as it was the nicest and looked like it was worth it. I am still undecided, but who am I to argue. I know that is the advise here but she doesn't read the list. She also encourages me to get 5lb increments of coffee varietal if I like them instead of "just" 2 lb. I love this woman! (and she doesn't even drink or like coffee) -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. John, Sounds like you have a wonderful, encouraging and supportive wife as well. They are a blessing to our lives. I hope you find the perfect espresso machine fit for you. Glad to see you back on the list. Marty
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Al: How about letting us in on your final three choices. I'm sure many of = the members would be interested in the selection process of an = experienced coffee lover.
Marty Wooten wrote: John, if that the case, how about beauty and Alchemy both in one package.http://www.coffeegeek.com/proreviews/detailed/microcasaleva<Snip> -- Ben Treichel Program Manager S.E Michigan SwRI 248-232-7365 (o) 248-935-6845 (m)
Within my budget, the three are the Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Baby and DeLonghi 140 Bar. The Gaggia are there based on advise from Les, Tom, Ben and my own searches. All of the Gaggia seem to be made quite well and these two fit my budget, have 58mm commercial PF, substantial groups and 3-way valve. I have seen some disturbing reviews of the Classic "rusting out" in 3-4 years and have contacted WLL about what they know. I think the Baby may not have this problem as it is abs instead of SS, although the SS is sweet, but I should hear back tomorrow. The DeLonghi is a relatively low end machine, but I was nicely impressed by my tradition one that I have it here. Gut feeling says the Baby, but it may be that only certain waters rust the Classic. If that is the case, the Classic it is. Sometime around 08:03 4/8/2004, alfred typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> Gaggia is a good choice. I don't know about the DeLonghi machine, but the brand is suspect. <Snip> The corrosion issue isn't the outside, but the inside. The top of the boiler is aluminum, which makes the machine heat faster and have a faster recovery time, but can also lead to boiler corrosion over time Arien
Sometime around 21:54 4/8/2004, Arien Malec typed: <Snip> That is what I keep hearing. Not to put a blind eye to it, but my 2nd tradition experience was nice with one. I have heard the company, not the product, is a pain to deal with. <Snip> This was separate from the boiler issue. They talked about rust around the water tank dropping in the water. <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
Beautiful, but out of my price range. Sometime around 08:09 4/8/2004, Ben Treichel typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> i understand. <Snip> -- Ben Treichel Program Manager S.E Michigan SwRI 248-232-7365 (o) 248-935-6845 (m)
John In Australia the word for Penny is KEEPER :O) RK
Ok, Gaggia (Ga-shu, BTW :-) Classic it is. Word is that Gaggia has redesigned the frame and it is SS now. No more rusting. That cinched it. Net outlay for a $600 (or $450 since it is always there) machine, less than $100 (due to sales, buyers remorse and insurance). I like that! Sometime around 05:36 4/9/2004, AlChemist John typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
Actually, it is the gold chrome (what was available) Sometime around 07:52 4/10/2004, miKe mcKoffee typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
Hey all, I'm trying to get some help on overwhelming espresso machine choices. I'm attempting to lose 40 lbs and in a convoluted way am going to create an incentive by 'paying myself' 200$ per every five pounds that I lose. If I lose it all...I'll have enough to get a dream machine (at least at my level). I have a Rocky, Behmor, AP, FP, pourover, ibrik, cory vacpot, and presently use a saeco aroma. I know this kind of discussion has been bantered about plenty, but I have it down to 5 choices, based on reviews, and people's recommendations here. They are all fine machines...but there are fine differences that leave me clueless. How have you gone about making such choices if you considered or have one of these? 1. Quick Mill Andreja Premium about 1700 2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta Lever TANK about 1300 ( I believe MiKe has this one) 3. Fiorenzato Bricoletta VOLANTE Lever Tank about 1350 4. Expobar Brewtus II Double Boiler Machine about 1700 ( I believe Barry has this one) 7. Expobar Office Lever Espresso Machine about 1000 Thanks for your help. -- Dean De Crisce Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Dean, I have the QM Vetrano which is basically the same machine as the Andrea Premium except it is direct connect and has a rotary pump. In general, I have been happy with this machine, but the price has increased significantly since I purchased it. If I were in the market for a new machine now, I would give a lot of thought to the Alex Duetto by Izzo. This is the new machine that miKe almost bought. At $2400, it is a bit more than the Quick Mills, but it has more features than any other machine at that price point. It is a dual boiler machine with PID control of the brew boiler. It has a built in tank, but can be converted to direct connect by flipping the handle on a valve. It has an E-61 group which has proven to be a reliable work horse and has a standard 58mm portafilter which is very easy to get accessories for. It has a nice polished stainless steel case rather than plastic and looks very good. (Much the same as the QMs and the Volante) It has a rotary pump which is quieter and smoother than a vibe. Since this is a brand new model, there is not much information about reliability, but I know that it has been in development for a couple of years now and Chris' is pretty picky about what they sell. BTW - miKe has the direct connect rotary Bric not the vibe/tank model. Mike Chester
A real Lose-Win situation! Best of luck, Dean! I am a strong believer in incentives and this is a great one! robert (sent from my dinner table) <Snip> elieve MiKe has this one)> 3. Fiorenzato Bricoletta VOLANTE Lever Tank about 1350> 4. Expobar Brewtus II Double Boiler Machine about 1700 ( I believe> Barry has this one)> 7. Expobar Office Lever Espresso Machine about 1000> > Thanks for your help.> > -- > Dean De Crisce>> Homeroast mailing list> Homeroast>http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.