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Topic: Traditions fullfillment (101 msgs / 2286 lines)
1) From: Dan Chace
I am a long time lurker but cant pass up your generous offer.  Please 
add me to the hat!
Dan Chace
dchace
R.N.Kyle wrote:
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2) From: Ben Treichel
Ron,
I'm not sure this counts as a tradition offering! ;-)     More like a 
MEGA tradition!!
R.N.Kyle wrote:
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-- 
Ben Treichel
Program Manager
S.E Michigan
SwRI
248-232-7365 (o)
248-935-6845 (m)

3) From: R.N.Kyle
Ben writes:
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Thanks Ben I have been wanting to do this for a while, and now seemed to be
the right time. Are you entering?
 Enter off list please.
RK

4) From: gin
Now Ron, it seems that all fairness would dictate that anyone should be 
able to enter. So what if we already have a drum, why can't we have two?
Most of what is offered we all already have...
Clearly this promotion should be open to all regardless of what equipment 
we have, do not have or want more of...
I would love the experience of "double druming" myself.
ginny
At 09:48 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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5) From: MMore
Ron ~
I would love the chance to own an RK drum. I missed your initial post, 
though.  Have I lost the "traditions" opportunity?
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

6) From: gin
Ron:
The more I think about it the more I feel that your excluding your 
supporters is bull.
I was going to buy a drum for a friend who cannot afford it, winning one 
would be a great way to give a double gift if you think about it, you 
offered the drum, I won the drum and gave it to a needy roaster. Way cool.
But you have asked that I not enter. I cannot enter your Tradition because 
I have supported your small business. Your offer also comes on the heels of 
a huge member list compiled by Jeff; bet you had no idea that such a huge 
number of roasters were lurking around the corners and under piles of 
greens, I sure didn't...
ginny
At 09:48 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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7) From: Rick Farris
Hey Ron! If you want to give something away free, I support any rules you
want to place on it.  I hope if I decide to give something away free someday
that I don't have a bunch of folks looking over my shoulder telling me how
to do it!
-- Rick

8) From: Bill Martin
Well....
FREE  means: FREE, without encumbrances, without cost, without 
requiring anything of the "winners".
If its a 'contest', where contestants are required to do 
something....then the prize is earned, not acquired for FREE.
Since I don't enter any of these things, I feel FREE to offer comments, 
based on having once worked in Broadcasting where FREE used to mean, 
really, that it HAD to be FREE!
Now, it seems the word FREE, has many different meanings, and many 
different denotations and connotations.
Kinda like Bill Clinton wanting to know "what do you mean by "if"?
Have fun, folks, but don't make enemies of your co-list members.
Bill
On May 2, 2004, at 12:51 PM, Rick Farris wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

9) From: gin
Your right Bill, free is free, cannot be anything else but free.
I am not trying to make enemies of list members, but pointing out that if 
the "countless help I have received from
this very special list, my passion for better coffee, and to help others
enjoy the wonderful world of home roasting" does not include the ones who 
have most likely given that advise, support, continued passion for coffee 
so it is meaningless...
example >>I have a Tradition, it is only open to those who lurk around, who 
have never asked about or considered a drum, the rest of you, too bad for 
you, maybe later but please continue to extend to me you passion for 
coffee...<<<
I will most likely burn in hell for this but too bad for me...
you cannot profess to care for all, thank all and then exclude some.
ginny
At 04:18 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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10) From: R.N.Kyle
Gin I did not say those who already had a drum could not enter, I just asked
that those who did give someone else that didn't have a better chance to
win.
Of course it is open to all list members, those are the rules. So let your
conscience be your guide.
RK

11) From: R.N.Kyle
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Michael your are in, good luck

12) From: R.N.Kyle
Thanks for your support, Rick, It had nothing to do with me or RK Drums, it
was simply and offer. The rules of tradition as I understand it are open to
all list members. As much as I'd like to see someone with out a drum win, I
should not exclude any list members.
.
RK

13) From: R.N.Kyle
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Michael you are in the drawling.
RK

14) From: R.N.Kyle
Gin and Bill you made a good point. If you read the original post I did not
make a ruling on present drum owners.
It reads:-- I do( ask )that those who already own a RK Drum , please do not
enter in
fairness, to allow those who have not experience drum roasting, a chance to
win the drum.
It is open to all list members.
RK

15) From: Rick Farris
There are no rules, Ron.  These are individual offers by individuals.  They
can make up any rules they like.
-- Rick

16) From: Ed Needham
Gee, should I enter?  I <> have an RK drum .
I don't need a drum, but sure could use help wiring the 57 RPM motor I bought
from surpluscenter.com. Four wires, and only two go to power.  Hmmmm...
Ed

17) From: gin
Ron,
excuse me, you did make the POINT of asking us not to enter. It was clear 
that those who own an RK drum should not enter by your language. It did not 
read "those who already own a drum, please feel free to enter".
It asked in "fairness that we not", it did not say "in fairness to all 
including those who already own and RK drum please enter", did it????
ginny
At 05:26 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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18) From: gin
Rick,
was it not you who said a week or so ago that the traditions belongs to us 
and not Tom?
ginny
your right Rick that there are traditions rules but I expect fairness in 
everything I evolve myself in, period!
At 05:53 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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19) From: R.N.Kyle
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They
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 Rick. I have always tried to be a fair man
When I first typed up the offer, I though it was Ok. But to exclude anyone
from a chance to win is not being fair.
We are all list members and try to help each other out.
At times we get into tussles, but in the end we tend to make things right,
and go on with talking about coffee and roasting.
Thanks for your continued support on the matter.
For those that feel a need to disagree, please do so by private Email
RK

20) From: Bill Martin
Gin,
I think you're beating a dead horse.
Oh.
Oooops.
Bill
On May 2, 2004, at 3:18 PM, gin wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

21) From: gin
Rick:
I believe you are wrong.
My understanding of a Tradition is that a person offers up a coffee related 
item and anyone who WANTS that item can enter the so called drawing for 
that item.
It does not mean that if you offer a coffee related item you can pick and 
chose who enters the tradition drawing.
I hate blacks, jews, gays and bush so if you like THOSE folks you can not 
enter MY TRADITION.
ginny
At 05:53 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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22) From: R.N.Kyle
Ed feel free to enter. You are kidding about the wiring, aren't you?
RK

23) From: gin
Ed, enter away and give it to some list member who is shy and would love a 
drum.
ginny
At 06:17 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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24) From: R.N.Kyle
Gin
I have made a couple of Public List apologizes, for the unintended injustice
to present drum owners and drum owners in general.
I think that should be enough.
I hope it will be for you also. If not please do it off list
I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. I would have preferred that it
was done off list, so I could have corrected it..
Your constant need to be the list monitor is wearing my patience thin, and
you and I haggling back and forth serves no purpose, and is not fair to
other list members, who would rather talk about Coffee, and Roasting.
Ron
RK

25) From: Pamela Chadwick
Gin, now everyone is welcome! Can we just accept Ron's generosity & let it
go. We are sounding ungraceful & ungrateful.
Pam

26) From: gin
yes...
g
At 07:02 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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27) From: carr-taylor
Hi all,Just to let you know I was the member who asked a few weeks ago about
whether any one could enter a tradition ie overseas people like myself,well
it caused some vigorous discussion for a day or two.I was never too sure
afterwards if i would enter or not but decided if  certain people who had
come forward on list  on a positive note,ever offered a tradition then I
would enter...Ron and Gin were two of those people,and today I entered my
first tradition (off list of course).
I am all for discussion and love this list but more than that I really like
and enjoy the people who make the list,so from me here in New Zealand, to
each their own but together what a wonderful bunch you are!
Sonja
Life Long Fan of The Ho Ho Ho Man

28) From: gin
Sonja,
Thanks for the positive note on traditions, glad you entered Ron's and good 
luck.
warmest regards,
ginny
At 07:35 PM 5/2/2004, you wrote:
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29) From: Ed Needham
Not kidding.  I have not looked at the wiring closely, but I did see four
wires.  Two terminated with a plastic connector at the end.  I figured those
were not power wires, but I wasn't sure if they were supposed to connect to a
capacitor (not supplied) or something else.  The other two had copper
connectors and they looked like power wires.  A confirmation would be great
since you've put a few of these into service.
*******************************
Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com
*******************************

30) From: Jason Molinari
I got my 57RPM motor from surplus center, and it has 4 wires, 2 were already connected to the start capacity, the other 2 went to power.
That said, i thikn i'm going back to 6rpm..57 has caused me nothing but trouble.
jason
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31) From: AlChemist John
I am with you and Rick.  You have nothing to apologize for.  It seems 
perfectly reasonable to put some form of condition on it.  That was how I 
received my initial espresso machine.  It was for someone with the best 
reason for having one, not a random pick.  No one said these are free (ok, 
Rick used the word) but part of a  "tradition" that has evolved over 
time.  I have been around since these started and we have many times had 
conditions attached.  Don't go reinventing it in your own image gin just 
because you did not like it.
I personally would like to see people who do have not fulfilled traditions 
be excluded but there is no way to enforce this really, so I think it falls 
into the same, "let your conscience be your guide".  I would love one of 
Ron's drums but I still need to fulfill a tradition commitment and will not 
enter.
Sometime around 05:12 PM 5/2/2004, R.N.Kyle typed:
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--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

32) From: Jeff Wikstrom
DON'T KILL THE TRADITION PEOPLE!!!  LET HIM DO IT HOW WE WANTS!  HE IS
GIVING SOMETHING AWAY!!! BE HAPPY THAT SOMEBODY WILL GET IT!  
We are forgetting the good nature of this list.  I would love the drum.  If
I don't get it...oh well.  If I didn't make it into the criteria...maybe
next time.  We are all friends here.  Let's play nice and not insist on our
"rights."
Jeff Wikstrom

33) From: Jeff Wikstrom
I think when it comes my time I will offer up a NONTRADITION!  I DON'T LIKE
RULES!!!!
NO RULES
NO RULES
NO RULES
NO RULES
You must forgive me...I'm not 30 yet.  We GenXers have are nasty little
twits.
Jeff Wikstrom

34) From: john
You mean you cease to be a GenXer when you hit 30?  Is that anything like
ceasing to be a Boomer once you hit 60? :)  I thought that Generation X
comprised of people born between 1965 and 1980!
a proud 35 year-old kick-the-ass-of-the-establishment GenXer,
john
Dr. Zeus Web Development
"content without clutter"http://www.DrZeus.net

35) From: gin
Jeff:
I agree that there should be NO RULES, when I joined the list and saw a 
Tradition offering, I asked about it and was delighted to participate.
I love giving gifts, my grandmother gave me the gift of giving. I 
participate all the time in this fun exchange. I liked the whole idea; some 
one offers a gift, some one wins and everybody has a good time.
When you start to exclude people you are making RULES, you own which 
changes the foundation...
ginny
At 07:00 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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36) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Nope.  I hope that I never become a boomer! ;)  Although I could almost be a
Y'er.  Don't really want to be one of those either.  I like when I was born.
Jeff

37) From: Wandering John Abbott
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:00, Jeff Wikstrom wrote:
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You're not OLD enough to be a Gen-X,  We haven't figured out what to
call your generation yet :O)
So do you break ohms law - shocking!   Do you defy the law of gravity -
grave mistake!  The law of reciprocity is pretty old - I think it
started with Gen-A.
John - he he heading he he to Mexico - hope they let me back in!

38) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Is it a rule to be arbitrary?
Jeff

39) From: Jeff Wikstrom
But you're wrong.  Born in 1978.  Just made it in.  And as far as gravity
goes.  I might say that it's a share fictional conception.  It was only
"discovered" by Newton not so long ago.  What took'm so long?  I think he
made it up!  Here is a rule...COFFEE IS GOOD!  Let there be beans!
Jeff Wikstrom

40) From: Rick Farris
And fairness means "doing it Ginny's way?"
-- Rick

41) From: Rick Farris
Whatever you say, Gin.  I wouldn't want to enter a tradition put on by
somebody like that anyway.
-- Rick

42) From: Wandering John Abbott
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:31, john wrote:
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Wow - who'd have guessed :O)

43) From: Rick Farris
Too bad you couldn't have been with us in Berkley!
-- Rick

44) From: john
I got the sarcasm...just not sure what I might have said to warrant it. :)
john  (from Seattle...now in Portugal)
Dr. Zeus Web Development
"content without clutter"http://www.DrZeus.net<Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings

45) From: R.N.Kyle
I recently won a tradition and am now ready to return the favor.
I offer up a brand new RK Roasting Drum complete with locking collars,
instructions, and profiles. (Requires a grill and a rotisserie motor. )
 I offer it up in appreciation for the countless help I have received from
this very special list, my passion for better coffee, and to help others
enjoy the wonderful world of home roasting.
 I do ask that those who already own a RK Drum , please do not enter in
fairness, to allow those who have not experience drum roasting, a chance to
win the drum.
I will ship it free to winner if they live in the continental US. anyone
outside this boundary will need to help with extra cost of shipping.
Please send entries off list to rnkyle
I will draw the winner on Saturday, 12 noon EDST  5/8/04
Ron Kyle
RK Roasting Drumshttp://rnk10.tripod.com

46) From: gin
No Rick:
fairness means doing it the way it was originally meant to be, without 
restriction...what part of that is so difficult to grasp.
ginny
At 08:44 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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47) From: Bill Martin
On May 3, 2004, at 4:00 AM, Jeff Wikstrom wrote:
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Can't spell either.  (are for 'our')
bill
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

48) From: Rick Farris
You weren't around when it was originally created, Gin, so why don't you sit
down and shut up.  What part of that is so difficult to grasp?
-- Rick

49) From: Bill Martin
On May 3, 2004, at 4:31 AM, john wrote:
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Yeah.... I think I saw you poking a flower into the barrel of a 
National Guardsmans rifle.  Wasn't that you?
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

50) From: john
No, but I did beg my parents to let me go to Woodstock (but, being only 6
months old, they wouldn't allow it).
john
Dr. Zeus Web Development
"content without clutter"http://www.DrZeus.net<Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings

51) From: Bill Martin
LOL
My old man can out-protest your old man!  ROTFLMAO!!!
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 9:05 AM, john wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

52) From: gin
no I was not Rick, I have asked many questions and as far as I understand 
the traditions were open to all, no restrictions so
you shut up and think for once!
ginny
At 11:31 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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53) From: Rick Farris
Yeah, and listened to the answers that agreed with you and ignored the rest.
-- Rick

54) From: Bill Martin
Geez!  I'm selling tickets to this match.  Anyone want a reserved seat.
I love fiery green-eyed, red-haired women!!!
Laying odds on Gin, even as we speak.
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 9:33 AM, gin wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

55) From: gin
No Rick, the questions I am referring to were asked long ago when I first 
inquired about the Traditions.; after asking I felt that the Traditions 
were a great thing for the list and so I have participated since.
I have not ignored any responses to this issue. Those that did not agree 
with me were responded to right away. I have not hidden from this issue at 
all. I simply have a clear picture of what I believe the Traditions are, 
they are gifts. Gifts are simply things Rick, and if you were poorly potty 
trained I understand your ignorance.
ginny
At 12:39 PM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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56) From: Rick Farris
And you're squealing about a gift that someone else might get and you won't?
I may have been poorly potty trained, but at least I've been through the
process.  
-- Rick

57) From: MMore
THIS STRAND IS WORSE THAN SPAM!!!
I'D RATHER HAVE VIAGRA ADS!!!!!!!
Can you all take it off line?  No one else is remotely interested.
Sorry.  
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

58) From: carr-taylor
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hey Michael speak for yourself...lol...its cold here in New Zealand and =
the heat that is coming off this list is helping out!!
Only Joking!!
Sonja
Life Long Fan of The Ho Ho Ho Man

59) From: gin
you know darn well that is not the point here.
ginny
At 01:10 PM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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60) From: gin
don't be sorry, delete them, you need not read what you don't want, if you 
are not remotely interested Michael, trash the thread.
another simple concept.
I hate this, I hate this, I read it and I  want you to stop.
g
At 01:14 PM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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61) From: Rick Farris
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
It's like a train wreck, isn't it?
Did you hear the joke about the old lady who called the police to report
being able to see her neighbors having sex through her window?  The police
came to the old ladies house where she took them into the kitchen and told
them to look out the window.  The police officer said he couldn't see
anything and the old lady said "Well climb up on the table there."
Here's a suggestion for you:  If you see a "strand" with the header
"Traditions fulfillment," don't read it.
*       Rick  
From: MMore
Can you all take it off line?  No one else is remotely interested.

62) From: Edward C. Rasmussen
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I'll forward my viagra ads to you.  I've been told not to order any. 8>)
 
Ed

63) From: R.N.Kyle
I emailed you off list on how I wire the motors.
For those on the list it goes like this
The Blue and Brown wires are the hot wires to the motor.
the pink and black wires with the metal female connectors are for the
thermal protection capacitor. They just plug into the thermal protector,
polarity is not important.
I wire the blue wire to one side of a single pole switch, and one lead from
the power cord to the other side of the switch. The green wire from the
power cord goes to the ground screw on the switch it is also green. Twist
the brown wire and the other wire from the power cord together and secure
with a wire nut
Ron

64) From: javafool
Ron,
I have been on this forum a long time and have seen the unpublished rules of
the Tradition change a little from time to time. As far as I am concerned,
there are no official rules.
The whole purpose of the Tradition is sharing. The opportunity for someone
to feel good about sharing something they can part with while making someone
else feel good about receiving a gift from a friend. If this fails, then the
Tradition itself is, in my opinion, a complete failure.
Your offer is very generous and you should feel good about sharing your gift
and talent with others. If in the end you do not feel good about what you
are doing, a Tradition that hurts the feelings of the giver or the receiver,
is not worth doing at all.
Sincerely,
TerryF

65) From: Bill Martin
Gin....
Since you and Rick have this public scene going on, you guys might want =
to take it around the corner into the alley.  The sidewalk café where =
you guys decided to have your lovers spat, is losing business, and are =
about to call out the gendarmes.
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 10:04 AM, gin wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

66) From: Bill Martin
LOL.... snort, gasp, choke!!!
Thats 2 for 2.
Blood is about to be drawn.
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 10:10 AM, Rick Farris wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

67) From: Gene Smith
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Hah!  I can do better than that.  A bunch of friends asked me if I wanted to
go..."Oh yeah, go sit in the mud with a bunch of hippies, that'll be fun!"
And I have a friend who missed it because she was in charge of a group of
preppie young ladies and they had the choice of Woodstock, or a Neil Diamond
concert.  Guess where they went?  We thought it might be funny to do an
article chronicling the different reasons people *didn't* make it to
Woodstock.  I wonder if the prep school girls ever wish they'd chosen the
alternate?
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

68) From: gin
agreed
g
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69) From: Bill Martin
On May 3, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Edward C. Rasmussen wrote:
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Ed,
is that because you don't need it, or she's just not interested???
Perspiring minds want to know all the degrading details.   

70) From: Bill Martin
We are talking Woodstock I, right??
The second one kinda petered out, not to put too fine a point to it.  
So to speak.
The latter-day audience didn't really understand what it was about.  
Still don't.
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Gene Smith wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

71) From: Gene Smith
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There was another Woodstock?  Isn't that sorta like The Second Coming II?
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

72) From: Gene Smith
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Oh God, me too!  I thought I was going to spit up on that one.  If those two
would form a comedy team, they'd get rich.  Naturally, their first routine
would *have* to be an argument over who's going to be the straight man...or
woman...or if they should take turns...take it away Ginny & Rick!
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

73) From: Rick Farris
I didn't make it because I was on the other coast, penniless.
You can betcha that when California Jam came around I made it, though.  I'll
never forget the near-gale-force wind blowing in my face as the sun went
down behind Black Sabbath as they played Iron Man.  Or the crescent moon and
a star in perfect position wrt a palm tree while Deep Purple played Smoke on
the Water.  Or Keith Emerson riding his piano upside down -- still don't
know why he didn't fall off.  Or even Black Oak Arkansas bringing Linda
Lovelace (back in the days when there was only one porn movie) out on stage
with them...
Ahh, those were the days.
-- Rick

74) From: Rick Farris
You know we love each other and we're only doing this for your
entertainment, don't you?
-- Rick

75) From: Tom Ulmer
i bet your stimulant of choice probably wasn't coffee...

76) From: Bill Martin
Yeah, some Promotion-types tried to whomp up some enthusiasm for 
another Woodstock back....  hmmm  ....  umm.... uh...  awhile back.  
Some of the local residents and business folk, remembering what the 
first one did to the town, laid down some fairly stringent ground 
rules, and insisted that additional security be hired and paid for by 
the Promoters.
Most of the people who had attended the first one got all excited about 
going again, til all the ground rules, parking regulations, curfews, 
and police presence was made known.  At which point, most of us old 
hippies decided to stay home and let the younger gen go.
It was a very quiet function, comparitively speaking.
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 11:35 AM, Gene Smith wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

77) From: gin
Gee Rick, it does take them a while to catch on...
g
At 02:47 PM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
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78) From: Bill Martin
Damn, Rick.  Did you HAVE to do that??
I attended the First and Second Diamond Head Crater Concerts.....  back 
in the "ole days".  Hot, sweaty, smokey.  Lots of bands.  Lots of 
stages.  Lots of REALLY loud music.
E Komo Mai!!!!
Still have the poster!!!
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 11:41 AM, Rick Farris wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

79) From: Bill Martin
Reminds me of the old Bickersons TV show!!  Gawd I loved that show!!!
And then there were record albums....  The Bickersons Fight Back!!  
Wish they'd put those on CD!!  I'd buy them.
Oh, shoot!  I just googled that, and they are available!!!  http://www.bickersons.com/products.htmlJust rename the album Gin and Rick...  reprice it, and we've got a 
winner!!!
Bill
On May 3, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Gene Smith wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

80) From: Edward C. Rasmussen
BG  8=)
Ed

81) From: Bill Martin
We certainly are entertained!!  I turned off the Sci-Fi channel to keep 
up with this.
bill
On May 3, 2004, at 11:47 AM, Rick Farris wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

82) From: Lesley Albjerg
Rick,
 
I was there too!!!!  Black Sabbath playing Iron Man was awesome!   However, my drug of choice at that time wasn't caffine! (got to relate this to coffee somehow!)
 
Les
Rick Farris  wrote:
I didn't make it because I was on the other coast, penniless.
You can betcha that when California Jam came around I made it, though. I'll
never forget the near-gale-force wind blowing in my face as the sun went
down behind Black Sabbath as they played Iron Man. Or the crescent moon and
a star in perfect position wrt a palm tree while Deep Purple played Smoke on
the Water. Or Keith Emerson riding his piano upside down -- still don't
know why he didn't fall off. Or even Black Oak Arkansas bringing Linda
Lovelace (back in the days when there was only one porn movie) out on stage
with them...
Ahh, those were the days.
-- Rick

83) From: Johnny Kent
Part #?
perhaps Capacitor?
what wires go where, wiring colors?
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84) From: Johnny Kent
colors for Ed?
At 08:10 AM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
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already connected to the start capacity, the other 2 went to power.
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trouble.
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those
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85) From: Rick Farris
Tom writes:
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Still isn't.
Les Adds
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If we ever get together in person I'll tell you some stories about that show
that will make chills run down your back.
-- Rick

86) From: Pamela Chadwick
I didn't go because I had just gotten married anddidn't know about it. In
retrospect I think it was a very good thing I didn't go!
Pam

87) From: Tom Ulmer
yes, but they outlawed eskatrol so many years ago...

88) From: Lesley Albjerg
I really don't want to tell my stories.  Some things are best left in the past!
 
Les
Rick Farris  wrote:
Tom writes:
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Still isn't.
Les Adds
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If we ever get together in person I'll tell you some stories about that show
that will make chills run down your back.
-- Rick---------------------------------
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89) From: Rick Farris
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
You wanna them quitters?  :-)
*       Rick  
From: Lesley Albjerg
I really don't want to tell my stories.  Some things are best left in the
past!

90) From: Angelo
I had a chance to go and didn't. Personally, I don't feel I missed 
anything.....
Ciao,
Angelo
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91) From: john
I think the problem was that Woodstock I just "sort of happened," while
Woodstock II was meticulously planned.
john
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92) From: Jeff Wikstrom
I'm sorry I have to jump back in.  I am part of a multi generational
business.  I received from my father responsibility in our business.  I have
now taken it, made it my own, expanded it, enriched it, and everybody agrees
that it's better now.  What use is a tradition if it can't change to meet
new conditions?  Why can't it grow, evolve....why can't we have multiple
traditions.  What if I want to give to the people who need it?  SHOULD WE
BOYCOTT THE SALVATION ARMY BECAUSE THEY ONLY GIVE STUFF TO POOR PEOPLE?
That's not fair.  I want free stuff too!  I'm sorry people this only seems
like petty selfishness to me.  I would really like a drum.  I don't have
one.  But, I have such a sour taste in my mouth regarding your terrible,
controlling attitudes that I don't think I would feel good about keeping
this one...even though Ron has had every good intention.  
You need to back away from the grinder...
Jeff Wikstrom

93) From: Jeff Wikstrom
CAN WE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS ALLOWED?   WHY IS MICHAEL BEING FLAMED FOR
POINT OUT THAT THIS PETTINESS HAS TO STOP?!! CAN WE GET SOME HELP FROM TOM
HERE?  IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST GET OFF GIN!  WE JUST WANT
TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT, ENJOY COFFEE, HAVE SOME FUN, GIVE WHAT WE WANT TO
GIVE TO WHO EVER WE WANT TO GIVE IT TO!  THIS IS CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY!
Jeff

94) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Quiet?  It ended in riots and stuff being burned and looting!

95) From: gin
Jeff,
this issue has been dead almost 48 hours, why are you bringing it back to life?
ginny
At 06:41 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote:
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96) From: gin
Jeff:
suit yourself, if you don't want to enter Ron's drum Tradition don't, I 
could care less.
ginny
for me it was a simple issue of language, you cannot be fair to all and 
exclude some, period.
At 06:27 AM 5/5/2004, you wrote:
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97) From: Wandering John Abbott
Jeff,
You've already got my vote for troll of the year.  How about give it a
rest! Your dad's business might have been in desperate need of
improvement, but this list isn't.
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 08:27, Jeff Wikstrom wrote:
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98) From: Wandering John Abbott
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 08:50, gin wrote:
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Gin,
Because he's a great troll - and we both bit!   So what are you roasting
this morning?  I'm getting ready to clean everything in site because my
morning shots tasted like they were made with lemonade.
I'm going to rotate my stash to the African coast for a couple of weeks
and see if that improves anything.  When Costa Rican tastes like lemon
water - and then Kona tasted about the same - I'm cleaning and moving
everything.
John - cleaning fool today! Roasting fool this afternoon!  Just a fool
the rest of the week.

99) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Sorry,
Was off for about 24 hours.
Jeff

100) From: Jeff Wikstrom
Again,
Sorry for my trollness.
Jeff

101) From: Bill Martin
Thats what I mean.  Quiet.  Comparitively speaking.
On May 5, 2004, at 3:48 AM, Jeff Wikstrom wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen


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