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Topic: Tom's Top 10 (11 msgs / 398 lines)
1) From: TodA
Someone recommended, anything Tom ranks over 90, buy buy buy.  So how do 
Tom's current offerings stack up?  Tom's Top 10 has 8 from "African and 
Arabia", and the two Costa Rica Tarrazu's.  And Kona and Blue Mountain 
are at the bottom (48 and 50).
How does this compare with the preferences of the list members?  What 
stands out to you on this list, and why?  Especially if it's not at or 
near the top?
Tom's Top 10 --
90.3    Kenya Auction Lot 624 -Kora Peaberry    African & Arabia
90.0    Kenya Auction Lot 656 -Tegu Peaberry    African & Arabia
89.3    Ethiopian Harar -Lot 6979 "Horse"    African & Arabia
89.1    Yemen Mokha Ismaili (Hirazi)    African & Arabia
88.9    Ethiopian Yirgacheffe -Lot 7449    African & Arabia
88.6    Yemen Mokha Mattari    African & Arabia
88.3    Kenya AA Auction Lot 633 -Karugwa    African & Arabia
88.2    Costa Rica Tarraz˙ Peaberry    Central American
88.1    Kenya AA Auction Lot 499 -Mweiga    African & Arabia
87.9    Costa Rica La Minita Tarraz˙    Central American
11 to 20 --
87.5    Sumatra Iskandar Triple-Pick    Indonesian & Asia    47
87.3    Papua New Guinea -Kimel 4689    Indonesian & Asia    44
87.0    Costa Rica "El Indio" Tarraz˙    Central American      3
87.0    Guatemala Huehuetenango -Huixoc 6468    Central American      9
87.0    Tanzania AA Songea Flatbean    African & Arabia     37
86.9    Indian Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold    Indonesian & Asia    43
86.7    Guatemala "La Flor del Cafe" Antigua    Central American      6
86.7    Guatemala Fraijanes -Palo Alto Azul    Central American      8
86.7    Bolivia Fair Trade "de Montana"    South American     17
86.7    Brazil Matas de Minas -Fazenda Brauna    South American     20
21 to 30 --
86.7    Rwanda Masaka "Seven Lakes"    African & Arabia     36
86.5    Costa Rica Tres Rios -La Magnolia    Central American      2
86.5    Bolivia Organic Cenaproc Co-op    South American     16
86.5    Brazil Fazenda Ipanema "Dulce"    South American     19
86.4    Costa Rica Dota Tarraz˙ -El Conquistador    Central American      1
86.4    Aged Sumatra Lintong    Indonesian & Asia    46
86.3    Guatemala Antigua -Los Pastores Mill    Central American      7
86.3    Nicaragua Matagalpa Maragogype '04    Central American      12
86.3    Nicaragua Organic/Fair Trade Segovia    Central American      13
86.3    Brazil Sul de Minas -Carmo Estate    South American     22
31 to 40 --
86.3    Colombian Nari˝o del Abuelo    South American     25
86.2    Zimbabwe AA - Salimba Estate    African & Arabia     41
86.1    Colombian Popayan Supremo "Caucano"    South American     27
86.0    Panama Boquete - Lerida Estate    Central American      15
86.0    Brazil Organic/FT Poco Fundo Co-op    South American     21
85.7    Panama Finca Hartmann "Songbird"    Central American      14
85.7    Sumatra Mandheling Grade One - Lot 6854    Indonesian & Asia    48
85.5    Colombian Organic Mesa de los Santos    South American     26
85.5    Peru Organic/Fair Trade Ccochapampa    South American     29
85.4    Colombian Huila -La Florencia    South American     23
41 to 50 --
85.4    Uganda AA Bugisu '04    African & Arabia     38
85.4    Puerto Rico Yauco Selecto AA    Islands    52
85.3    Sulawesi Toraja - Grade 1 (Celebes)    Indonesian & Asia    45
85.1    Mexico Organic/Fair Trade Oaxaca Pluma    Central American      11
85.0    Colombian Huila "Mercedes Supremo"    South American     24
85.0    Ecuador EScafe Co-op    South American     28
85.0    Timor Organic/FT Maubesse    Indonesian & Asia    49
85.0    Hawaii Kona -Honaunau Peaberry No.1    Islands    50
84.0    Brazil Cup of Exc. -Faz. Laranaja Cravo     South American     18
84.0    Mountain -Mavis Bank    Islands    51
Honorable Mention --
83.5    Indian Monsooned Malabar AA "Coehlo's Gold"    Indonesian & 
Asia    42
83.0    Honduras SHG Organic Marcala    Central American      10

2) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
Given that it is almost impossible for a low acid coffee to score in 
the 90's and I tend to dislike the bright coffees, my favorites have 
typically scored in the high 80's.
       Jim Gundlach
On Jun 30, 2004, at 10:55 AM, TodA wrote:
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3) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Thanks for compiling the list!!!  - very 
interesting to me too, since I don't look at them 
this way. In fact, we were going to use a dynamic 
green coffee list that would allow people to rank 
by score, but the problem is that the total 
scores are not the end-all statement about cup 
quality of a particular coffee. Like that 
Honduras Marcala socre is way too low. Next to a 
Kenya Kora PB  it might seem like a mundane cup, 
but a Kora is in a way "too much coffee" to drink 
every day, at least for me. I really want the 
simple, sweet Honduran on some days more than a 
Kora. The other problem is that each coffee needs 
to be broken out into subcategories of general 
cup profile. If a Sumatra ISK ranks 87.5 but you 
don't like earthy low-acid coffees, than it 
doesnt mean you'll like the ISK. In fact, in most 
cases if a particular type of cup is not to your 
liking, a higher scoring coffee would be MORE 
disagreeable. So the numbers do lie, I suppose... 
When we do a Cup of Excellence competition, we 
always have a discussion before about scoring. We 
are not scoring all coffees of the world against 
eachother - we are scoring that origin. So a 100 
for that origin is not "the best coffee in the 
whole world". Anyway, interesting stuff to 
ponder...
Tom
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4) From: Barry Luterman
That's true for me too. However, the Kenya Kora Peabody is an outstanding
cup of coffee.

5) From: Lesley Albjerg
Todd,
 
That be me!  What I have found is that anything over 90 is very complex!  I agree with Pecan Jim, that often it is a bright coffee, but I like them all!  I certainly have my favorites.
My all time favorite is ranked 41.  My thought is (don't kill me Tom) is to try a coffee from another vender to see how good we really have it with Tom doing such a good job of cupping.
 
Les
TodA  wrote:
Someone recommended, anything Tom ranks over 90, buy buy buy. So how do 
Tom's current offerings stack up? Tom's Top 10 has 8 from "African and 
Arabia", and the two Costa Rica Tarrazu's. And Kona and Blue Mountain 
are at the bottom (48 and 50).
How does this compare with the preferences of the list members? What 
stands out to you on this list, and why? Especially if it's not at or 
near the top?
Tom's Top 10 --
90.3 Kenya Auction Lot 624 -Kora Peaberry African & Arabia
90.0 Kenya Auction Lot 656 -Tegu Peaberry African & Arabia
89.3 Ethiopian Harar -Lot 6979 "Horse" African & Arabia
89.1 Yemen Mokha Ismaili (Hirazi) African & Arabia
88.9 Ethiopian Yirgacheffe -Lot 7449 African & Arabia
88.6 Yemen Mokha Mattari African & Arabia
88.3 Kenya AA Auction Lot 633 -Karugwa African & Arabia
88.2 Costa Rica Tarraz˙ Peaberry Central American
88.1 Kenya AA Auction Lot 499 -Mweiga African & Arabia
87.9 Costa Rica La Minita Tarraz˙ Central American
11 to 20 --
87.5 Sumatra Iskandar Triple-Pick Indonesian & Asia 47
87.3 Papua New Guinea -Kimel 4689 Indonesian & Asia 44
87.0 Costa Rica "El Indio" Tarraz˙ Central American 3
87.0 Guatemala Huehuetenango -Huixoc 6468 Central American 9
87.0 Tanzania AA Songea Flatbean African & Arabia 37
86.9 Indian Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold Indonesian & Asia 43
86.7 Guatemala "La Flor del Cafe" Antigua Central American 6
86.7 Guatemala Fraijanes -Palo Alto Azul Central American 8
86.7 Bolivia Fair Trade "de Montana" South American 17
86.7 Brazil Matas de Minas -Fazenda Brauna South American 20
21 to 30 --
86.7 Rwanda Masaka "Seven Lakes" African & Arabia 36
86.5 Costa Rica Tres Rios -La Magnolia Central American 2
86.5 Bolivia Organic Cenaproc Co-op South American 16
86.5 Brazil Fazenda Ipanema "Dulce" South American 19
86.4 Costa Rica Dota Tarraz˙ -El Conquistador Central American 1
86.4 Aged Sumatra Lintong Indonesian & Asia 46
86.3 Guatemala Antigua -Los Pastores Mill Central American 7
86.3 Nicaragua Matagalpa Maragogype '04 Central American 12
86.3 Nicaragua Organic/Fair Trade Segovia Central American 13
86.3 Brazil Sul de Minas -Carmo Estate South American 22
31 to 40 --
86.3 Colombian Nari˝o del Abuelo South American 25
86.2 Zimbabwe AA - Salimba Estate African & Arabia 41
86.1 Colombian Popayan Supremo "Caucano" South American 27
86.0 Panama Boquete - Lerida Estate Central American 15
86.0 Brazil Organic/FT Poco Fundo Co-op South American 21
85.7 Panama Finca Hartmann "Songbird" Central American 14
85.7 Sumatra Mandheling Grade One - Lot 6854 Indonesian & Asia 48
85.5 Colombian Organic Mesa de los Santos South American 26
85.5 Peru Organic/Fair Trade Ccochapampa South American 29
85.4 Colombian Huila -La Florencia South American 23
41 to 50 --
85.4 Uganda AA Bugisu '04 African & Arabia 38
85.4 Puerto Rico Yauco Selecto AA Islands 52
85.3 Sulawesi Toraja - Grade 1 (Celebes) Indonesian & Asia 45
85.1 Mexico Organic/Fair Trade Oaxaca Pluma Central American 11
85.0 Colombian Huila "Mercedes Supremo" South American 24
85.0 Ecuador EScafe Co-op South American 28
85.0 Timor Organic/FT Maubesse Indonesian & Asia 49
85.0 Hawaii Kona -Honaunau Peaberry No.1 Islands 50
84.0 Brazil Cup of Exc. -Faz. Laranaja Cravo South American 18
84.0 Mountain -Mavis Bank Islands 51
Honorable Mention --
83.5 Indian Monsooned Malabar AA "Coehlo's Gold" Indonesian & 
Asia 42
83.0 Honduras SHG Organic Marcala Central American 10

6) From: Ron L

7) From: Don Rankin
Shhhhhh!  Don't tell anyone.
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Jim Gundlach
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8) From: Chris Tacy
Hawaii Kona -Honaunau Peaberry No.1    Islands
Kenya Auction Lot 656 -Tegu Peaberry    African & Arabia
Kenya Auction Lot 624 -Kora Peaberry    African & Arabia
Ethiopian Yirgacheffe -Lot 7449    African & Arabia
Yemen Mokha Ismaili (Hirazi)    African & Arabia
Sumatra Iskandar Triple-Pick    Indonesian & Asia
Yemen Mokha Mattari    African & Arabia
Guatemala "La Flor del Cafe" Antigua    Central American
Kenya AA Auction Lot 499 -Mweiga    African & Arabia
Brazil Cup of Exc. -Faz. Laranaja Cravo     South American
(the last purely due to its incredible quality in espresso blends)

9) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
Well,
     I have to admit that the Peabody is a nice hotel in Memphis and it 
is nice to watch the Mallards ride an elevator there, and I did go 
ahead and order five pounds of the Kenya Kora Peaberry because of the 
raving about it on the list.  I just haven't gotten around to roasting 
any of it yet.
     Jim Gundlach
On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
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10) From: TodA@alltel.net
Tom said:  "the total scores are not the end-all statement about cup 
quality of a particular coffee ... each coffee needs to be broken out 
into subcategories of general cup profile ..."
I was expecting the sub-groupings to show something like that, but after 
I compiled the list, I realized that I didn't know enough to see any 
patterns. ;)  Can someone suggest proper categories and descriptions of 
coffees, other than by region?  Or does the "region" label, also include 
defining characteristics?  For example, "island" coffee:  are all 
"island" coffees pretty much in the same category, and can be compared 
properly in the same cupping category?
I can only think of 3 main categories so far, myself:
 - earthy, low acid (Sumatran)
 - acid, spicey/fruity (Arabic, Central American) -- woah, this is way 
too inclusive, how would you break these out?
 - um, "standard" ? (Colombian, Brazil, island coffees) -- woah, this 
wouldn't work, there's alot of differences here
Or maybe, 2 main categories, and sub-branches, as I would perhaps 
mistakenly assume from Jim Gundlach's response:
 - Low acid
 - Acidic
Any takers on a frame-work, so I can re-work the list? ;)

11) From: Jean
I think Jim is making an important point - Tom's notes are helpful and =
important, but it is because I look at what he is saying, not the =
scores.  When I read what Tom has to say about a bean, it helps me to =
judge whether this is a bean I will enjoy. 
JMO,
Jean  :~)


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