Sometime around 01:40 PM 7/2/2004, miKe mcKoffee typed: <Snip> Serious post, no tongue in cheek or anything like that. This phrase has been batted around a while and I am just not sure it is true. I remember reading at some point that caffeine was not "addictive" in that your body might "notice" when you don't have any (you get headaches) but there is no psychological "need" for caffeine. Once your body is over its reaction, there is no incentive to "relapse" like with other addictive drugs (alcohol, nicotine etc). Does anyone have any information on this? We joke about it a bit, but I don't think truly being addicted to anything is good, is it? -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> You know, I don't think that's exactly right. Whenever I have stopped caffeine, it doesn't take long till I find a way to get it again. I have gone as long as years not drinking it, though, and something will happen, I will have a "reason" for a cup, and away we go. I am able to manage to keep it to a certain amount, but that does take effort. I don't seem to be "addictive" in other ways. I'm not sure any addiction is ok, but this seems not all that bad; the consequences don't seem to be harmful! Barbara
On Saturday 03 July 2004 10:52 am, Barbara Greenspon wrote: <Snip> Barbara, I'm with you. I believe that we over use the term addicted. I believe it becomes habit forming without being an addiction. However, it was extremely hard for me a month back to quit cold-turkey. I had to taper for a day or two and then quit to prevent the terrible headache that accompanied the cold-turkey attempt. I'm addicted to breathing (I know I just can't quit) and to my beloved wife. -- ~ John - Loving life in the slow lane!
<Snip> it <Snip> By 'we' you mean lay peoples, I agree, too. Let's face it, a lot of = what we call addictions are purely desires or martketing at work. You = have two choices: addiction or physical dependence. Clearly, caffeine is = not a physically dependent drug otherwise it would say so in the DSMV-IV = and on the MSDS. Whether it is addictive is unclear to me, but perhaps = not to a pharmacologist/toxicologist. Dan
At 11:46 AM -0500 7/03/04, Dan Bollinger wrote: <Snip> Not appearing in the DSMV-IV doesn't mean that it is not addictive. It merely means that if addictive it is not considered deleterious to your mental health. Also, 'addiction' does not have a single precise definition -- even medically. Regular caffeine consumption for most people does have a critical property that is generally considered an indication of addiction: withdrawal. It doesn't last long, but most people that drink a few cups of coffee daily will experience symptoms of mild withdrawal starting after a few days and lasting a week or two. For instance, it is very common for people to experience headaches for several days if they stop drinking cold turkey. Fortunately, unlike nicotine or alchohol, the withdrawal symptoms are very mild and tend to disappear in a week or two. That's my understanding. Best, E
In a message dated 7/3/2004 12:06:27 PM Central Standard Time, lists writes: Fortunately, unlike nicotine or alchohol, the withdrawal symptoms are very mild and tend to disappear in a week or two. .........and usually caffine addition doesn't cause one to beat their wife and kids or crash their cars!!!!!!
On Jul 3, 2004, at 6:54pm, BosDahd wrote: <Snip> I was going to respond to this, but then I realized that I've already exceeded my rant quota for the week. John Blumel
good god and I have not even started.............. ginny At 04:35 PM 7/3/2004, you wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> Not to mention, steal from your friends...unless, of course, they have some really interesting coffee gear stashed... Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. In a message dated 7/3/2004 12:06:27 PM Central Standard Time, = lists writes: Fortunately, unlike nicotine or alchohol, the withdrawal symptoms = are very mild and tend to disappear in a week or two. .........and usually caffine addition doesn't cause one to beat their = wife and kids or crash their cars!!!!!! My guess is that you're not making it strong enough. Larry P. Atlanta
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I believe it is important to delineate vices from habits. Addiction is clearly a behavioral dysfunction combining components of psychological and physical dependence. What is certainly not clear is the interplay of psychology and body chemistry in determining actual addiction or whether addiction defined by social norms and morals.
FROM Yahoo news................ Tuesday, July 6, 2004 6:05 AM Dropped cup of coffee causes driver to hit pedestrian (Rutland, Vermont - AP) ? Police in Rutland say a dropped cup of coffee led a driver to lose control of his vehicle and fatally strike a pedestrian. Police say 24-year-old Gustav Johnson died at Rutland Regional Medical Center of massive head trauma after the Sunday morning accident. Police report that 21-year-old James Rayborn of Rutland Town was driving a 1995 Ford Taurus east on Killington Avenue when he dropped a cup of coffee and lost control of his car. The accident remains under investigation. Dave <Snip>
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