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Topic: A Rocky grinder for Me? (17 msgs / 553 lines)
1) From: DEchelbarg
At present, I have a Solis Maestro Plus grinder which I am happy with.  I use 
it for everything, including my Solis SL 70 Espresso machine.  (Everything = 
vac, press, pour over, espresso).
I guess I have upgrade fever.  Money is always going to be an issue until my 
children finish higher education and I can stop direct payments to various 
institutions of higher learning and so I'm raising the "value" question.
The Solis SL70 is working well for me and pulling some very quality shots 
with the Maestro Plus, but I am thinking the Rocky is the next grinder for me.  
Had I known how crucial a grinder was before I bought the Solis, I would have 
purchased a Rocky instead.  The Solis is my first burr grinder.
I am wondering if the Mazzer Mini would be overkill for my Solis.  I am 
sitting here debating whether the Mazzer is worth the extra bucks and if I would 
realize a significant difference when pairing it with the Solis SL 70 over the 
Rocky.  What I'd really like is the Mazzer Mini E to get around the doser 
issue, but now we are in the $600 range and I'd like to stay married.  Right, I'm 
thinking of the Rocky doserless.
So, I'd appreciate any advice as I think this through.  Is a Mazzer overkill 
for my uses?  I'm assuming the Rocky will be a noticeable improvement over the 
Maestro Plus.  Is it?  Help?  Is the Rocky a better value given my use vs the 
Mazzer Mini?
Thank you very much, I know these Rocky/Mazzer debates are endless.  I know 
the Mazzer is better -- I'm struggling with value and the whole issue of 
diminishing returns.
Dave Echelbarger  

2) From: miKe mcKoffee

3) From: Allen Marsalis
I recently upgraded from a Maestro (non-plus) to a Mazzer Mini
and I am very impressed with the newfound control I have over
my shots. It is hard to imagine what a difference a grinder
makes, probably because we cannot see the individual grains
(size and shape) with our naked eyes.  But it makes a difference
to the water channeling through it!
I cannot speak for the Rocky, but I really seem to like all
Rancilio products, and so do many others.  I would venture to
say that either would be a pretty big step up from the Maestro
(but I cannot speak for the plus model either which I understand
has some metal parts)
As for the doser, I had my concerns.  But in the end, I like
it!  It's like pulling a lever on a slot machine and coming up
with all 7's each time!  ;-)
But it may be fair to add $20-80 to the price of the MM because
you may want a dustbuster type vacuum to keep the doser clean.
I really like my Ryobi 18v cordless vac which works great (if you
like the smell of semi-stale coffee) but it wasn't cheap.  Otherwise,
there are some mods posted to this list depicting brushes and ideas
which may be cheaper.  Chances are you wouldn't need a $70 vacuum
like I have for a Rocky either.  Hope this helps a little.  I hate
it when I buy something only to discover that I want to buy something
else to support it!
Allen
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At 08:03 PM 7/8/2004 -0400, DEchelbarg wrote:
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4) From: Peter Barnes
I have both Rocky and a Solis Maestro (the regular version).  My plan 
all along was to buy the Maestro for drip/french, and Rocky for 
espresso.  Rocky is way, way, way better than the Solis.  I also have 
the doserless model, which is great, because I'm not technically-minded 
enough to remove the doser myself.  Seriously, though, get the Rocky.  
It will make a world of difference in your espresso.
cheers
peter
At 08:03 PM 7/8/2004 -0400, DEchelbarg wrote:
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5) From: Rick Farris
Don’t forget there is an intermediate position.  You could get the =
Anfim
grinder which has the quality of the Mazzer (without the infinite
adjustability) Whoops!  I just surfed over to Sweet Maria’s to get a =
link
for the Anfim and found this:
“The ANFIM Mill is out of stock and is not being imported into the =
U.S.
anymore! You can still buy it with the Pasquini tags on it, and you will =
pay
a lot more.”
Nevermind!
-- Rick
From: DEchelbarg
So, I'd appreciate any advice as I think this through.  Is a Mazzer =
overkill
for my uses?  I'm assuming the Rocky will be a noticeable improvement =
over
the Maestro Plus.  Is it?  Help?  Is the Rocky a better value =
given my use
vs the Mazzer Mini?

6) From: Rich Adams
Froogle can find the Anfim.  Couldn't tell ya if they are in stock anywhere
however.
I recently had to order some new burrs and it appeared Tom didn't have them
so off to Froogle I went.
Rich Adams

7) From: Peter R. Barnes
I realize this is moot, since it is sold out, but when I was debating betwe=
en Rocky and the Anfim, what sold me was that Tom seemed to indicate grin=
ding for espresso took a long time.  In other words, the Anfim seemed to =
be a grinder aimed as the apex for drip/vaccuum/fp brewing, while also ca=
pable of grinding for espresso, albeit a bit slowly.
Is there more to the story than this?

8) From: Rick Farris
Not at all.  I got my Anfim badged by Pasquini as a pair with my Livia.  I
assure you, Pasquini would not sell a grinder that wasn't top notch for
espresso.  And I don't know about speed -- most any grinder -- even a Zass,
probably -- can outspeed an espresso machine.  The only time speed comes
into the equation is when you're grinding large quantities for drip or other
non-espresso decoction.  
The *only* drawback I ever noticed to the Anfim was that it was not very
easy to switch back and forth from a drip/vacuum/fp grind to an espresso
grind.  I mean, the switching was easy, but getting it tuned in took a while
when switching back to espresso.  I ended up using the Anfim for espresso
and I bought a Solis for drip...
-- Rick

9) From: leslee berringer
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hi Rick!  Glad you could surface for a moment or two.  I am interested =
in an espresso machine for purchase and, tangential to the Amfim, I was =
wondering if you have any regrets about your Livia?  Is it a 90 and is =
it automatic?  Could you state your valuable/learned, I could go on, =
opinion on the advantages of the auto vs. semi?  And the machine's =
performance in general?  Would you say it would compare to a Millenium?  =
If you could purchase anything new on the market now would you still =
choose the Livia model you have? Is yours modified?  Are you glad you =
spoke up?  Still hoping for an answer to any of the above!
Thanks so much in advance, even if you only address this briefly.
Will still be your admirer no matter what,
Leslee Berringer

10) From: Rick Farris
No problem, Leslee.  I've been busier than a one-armed paper hanger =
lately
but I still try to at least monitor the list.
My Livia 90 is a semi-auto.  I hardly ever use it anymore because it is =
not
near a sink.  All espresso machines create an unholy mess, but it is not =
too
much of a problem if you have a sink nearby.  That and the fact that it =
is
difficult to get good shots at 4500' altitude mean that I mostly drink =
Café
Crémas from my Solis 5Ks these days.
As to the auto vs. semi question, that is really a matter of preference. =
 I
can tell you though; it can get really hectic trying to prepare espresso
drinks for a dinner party and that any relief provided by the auto =
feature
would be welcome.  
If I were buying in the same price/class I would certainly buy the Livia
again.  I would consider the auto model this time.  I'm not familiar =
enough
with the Isomacs to comment on the Millennium, but I know many here like =
the
Tea, so...
However, if I ever get back down to sea level I'll be looking at =
something
like a Reneka Techno.
-- Rick
From: leslee berringer
Hi Rick!  Glad you could surface for a moment or two.  I am =
interested in an
espresso machine for purchase and, tangential to the Amfim, I was =
wondering
if you have any regrets about your Livia?  Is it a 90 and is it =
automatic? 
Could you state your valuable/learned, I could go on, opinion on the
advantages of the auto vs. semi?  And the machine's performance in =
general? 
Would you say it would compare to a Millenium?  If you could purchase
anything new on the market now would you still choose the Livia model =
you
have? Is yours modified?  Are you glad you spoke up?  Still hoping =
for an
answer to any of the above!

11) From: AlChemist John
Sometime around 05:42 PM 7/11/2004, Rick Farris typed:
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I have to say it is possible to run one without a mess.   Necessity goes a 
long way.  Mine is housed on a small 2'x2' shelf , that it shares with my 
Brew Central.  I grind on the counter across from it and spoon grounds in 
to the PF gentle.  Really  no mess at all.
I think it falls into the category that it is easy to let yourself make a 
mess, but it is relatively easy not to make a mess.
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

12) From: Wikstrom, Jeff
While in theory this is quite true, I find that (especially my first shot of 
the morning) my coffee area is always in need of a good wash cloth and 
towel.  But, that may just be personality. 
Jeff

13) From: Rick Farris
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Well . yeah.  And if I didn't have two Solis 5ks and if it wasn't so
damnedly hard to get a non-sour shot up here at 4500', I assure you I'd
train myself to either not make a mess or not mind cleaning one up.  
From: AlChemist John
I have to say it is possible to run one without a mess.   Necessity goes a
long way.  Mine is housed on a small 2'x2' shelf , that it shares with my
Brew Central.  I grind on the counter across from it and spoon grounds in to
the PF gentle.  Really  no mess at all.
I think it falls into the category that it is easy to let yourself make a
mess, but it is relatively easy not to make a mess.

14) From: Ben Treichel
Wikstrom, Jeff wrote:
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Actaully I have my own set of small hand towels that I use to wipe the 
pf, head, and any other coffee mess. Keeps the piece by not 'ruining' 
the kitchen towels, and always having something on had to clean up with,
Ben
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15) From: Lowe, David
I have my own dedicated wash cloths for the cleanup. I'm sure that one =
of them used to be white... :-) 
Dave Lowe

16) From: Allen Marsalis
At 01:09 PM 7/13/2004 -0400, Ben Treichel wrote:
 >
 >Actaully I have my own set of small hand towels that I use to wipe the
 >pf, head, and any other coffee mess. Keeps the piece by not 'ruining'
 >the kitchen towels, and always having something on had to clean up with,
 >
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with his own "coffee towels".
I pulls the shots and clean up afterwards.  My wife does the laundry.
Guess who doesn't get any shots if the towel drawer becomes empty?  :)
Well not really..  She still gets her coffee anyway, but I like to
threaten her and make her think twice before letting the towel drawer
run dry.  I don't ever let us run out of beans do I??  (LOL, well today
was the first time ever)  ;-)
Allen
am

17) From: Jean
From: "Lowe, David" 
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of them used to be white... :-) 
Another tip for dealing with splatter is to keep a box of the moist =
diaper wipes handy - I don't use them on equipment parts that come in =
direct contact with coffee/water/milk (unless I am also going to rinse), =
but they are great for splatter, stray grounds, etc.  I buy the case at =
Costco - they last a long time, are strong, and come in handy for lots =
of quick clean-ups around the house.  
Jean  :~)


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