David and Mike, I used to joke about the Dog Bowl and Heat gun method too! Then in all fairness I thought I had better give it a try. It is a wonderful and simple way of roasting. The amount of control is amazing. The quality (that is what we are after isn't it) of the roast is as good as any other, and it may be better than anything else out there. (I am doing half pound roast too!) The real problem as I see it is some of you have spent $100's of dollars on roasters, and your afraid to admit that maybe a $5.00 dog bowl and a heat gun bought for other purposes can do a good roast. I have a $150.00 HWP collecting dust in my pantry, so I know the burn first hand! I can think of no other method except maybe Wok roasting where you can observe without any obstructions the transformation of the green bean to a finely roasted bean! So, suck in the pride and experiment, "ride the wild learning curve" as Gene says, you might be surprised! This method of roasting in no joke. It uses the mos t sophisticated computer out there, the one between your shoulders, to control the roast. A lot of the fun is observing and realizing what is happening with your roast, and then changing the variables using your brain rather than using a dial, a switch, or a chip! With all of that said, I guess I must admit, I am converted to Dog Bowl and Heat Gun Roasting. Just to prove it, on Friday I will be roasting a half pound of ISH in my Dog Bowl! Les Mike Gallant wrote: <Snip> awesome. I will be vac brewing the AMT <Snip> Zealand, if you can't get an I-Roast, <Snip> ^^^^^ OK, somebody has to say it - don't you think you'd get crappy roasts in a dog bowel? (ba-dum-bum) Sorry, a little hopped up on Songbird right now... -mike -- Mike Gallant pischke |
On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:52pm, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> Uh, Les, the joke is about 'dog bowel'. Please refer to your original message and I'm sure you'll be howling too. John Blumel |
Guess I had better not trust that spell checker as much as I do! Les John Blumel wrote: On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:52pm, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> Uh, Les, the joke is about 'dog bowel'. Please refer to your original message and I'm sure you'll be howling too. John Blumel |
Les, I think a good way to maybe convert a few folks over to dog bowl or wok roasting would be to record a few minutes of video and post a link to a .mpg file of it. It's kind of hard to imagine "dog bowl" + "heat gun" = perfectly roasted beans if you follow me. However learning is an experience all in itself. I have a wok already. I promise to obtain a heat gun and give it a try this weekend. This list has spoiled me with great info since I sub'ed.. I should be afraid to screw up. I've done that plenty of times. I also received my new drum today from Ron so I have that going for me too.. I'm going to have more fun this weekend than a Pug in paradise! :) Allen am At 05:52 PM 7/14/2004 -0700, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> |
With 5 coffee drinkers in the house at the present time, I am seriously considering getting a RK drum! I could use the capacity! Les Allen Marsalis wrote: Les, I think a good way to maybe convert a few folks over to dog bowl or wok roasting would be to record a few minutes of video and post a link to a .mpg file of it. It's kind of hard to imagine "dog bowl" + "heat gun" = perfectly roasted beans if you follow me. However learning is an experience all in itself. I have a wok already. I promise to obtain a heat gun and give it a try this weekend. This list has spoiled me with great info since I sub'ed.. I should be afraid to screw up. I've done that plenty of times. I also received my new drum today from Ron so I have that going for me too.. I'm going to have more fun this weekend than a Pug in paradise! :) Allen am At 05:52 PM 7/14/2004 -0700, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> |
Allen, I am still learning how to to jpeg. I will have to talk to my teenage son about the possibility of an mpeg. Besides, I am new at this too. One of the experienced DB roasters should do the video. Les Allen Marsalis wrote: Les, I think a good way to maybe convert a few folks over to dog bowl or wok roasting would be to record a few minutes of video and post a link to a .mpg file of it. It's kind of hard to imagine "dog bowl" + "heat gun" = perfectly roasted beans if you follow me. However learning is an experience all in itself. I have a wok already. I promise to obtain a heat gun and give it a try this weekend. This list has spoiled me with great info since I sub'ed.. I should be afraid to screw up. I've done that plenty of times. I also received my new drum today from Ron so I have that going for me too.. I'm going to have more fun this weekend than a Pug in paradise! :) Allen am At 05:52 PM 7/14/2004 -0700, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> |
Capacity was what I had in mind. :) I'll let you know how it goes.. I got the 57 rpm motor with it. Looks *very* nice. The quality of workmanship is apparent in both the motor mount and the drum itself. Also I understand that it will also roast Alchemist John's cocoa which intrigues me.. I might have to try doing that someday. Allen am At 07:25 PM 7/14/2004 -0700, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> |
Understood. If you (or anyone) wants to mail me a tape, I would be glad to convert it to a web format and even post it so folks can download and see.. Just consider that a standing offer always out on the table for anything coffee related if the opportunity arises. I'm still going to give bowl/wok roasting the old college try this weekend. (but only *after* I put my new drum rig together) :) Allen am At 07:28 PM 7/14/2004 -0700, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> |
--- Allen Marsalis wrote: <Snip> It's the old story: People who've never tried it, can't imagine how it can be done. "Show me!" Once people try it, they can't imagine why anyone would would need to watch. Kind of an Andy Warhol experience. "Watcha doing dear?" "Uh, watching a guy roast coffee." "What's he doing?" "Stirring." "What's he doing now?" "stirring." "What's . . . On the other hand, it's a ridiculous thing to do, but somebody has to do it. Martin ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
--- Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> Now that you've mastered the dog bowel;o)/heatgun, a RK drum is the natural progression. Go for it, Les. You won't be sorry.(and Tom won't be , either) Charlie ===== Brick Oven Roasting in British Columbia Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
Holy mackerel batman, Dog bowl Chocolate! YES, YES, YES. I have to go try this on my cocoa. Sometime around 08:02 PM 7/14/2004, Allen Marsalis typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
So Martin, does your face still break into a grin every time you see YOUR method mentioned or has it worn off? Absolutely cool to have come up with a novel roasting method. Sometime around 08:51 PM 7/14/2004, HeatGunRoast typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
Watch out, your dog will want a percentage ... :-) Dave Lowe |
--- AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> "Dogbowl" still makes me smile. And I guess I'm not alone. Something about that word. The fact that a particular stainless steel uniquely shaped bowl is marketed for feeding dogs hasn't hurt the HG/DB growing acceptance. "Heatgun/colander" or "heatgun/applesaucecan" might not have captured the imagination of so many. I'm not opposed to taking some credit for packaging the heatgun and dogbowl into a "method," but it's really the roasting community whose friendly amusement kept me thinking that they'd be interested in the occasional post on how I was progressing. My biggest grins come when someone like Les with real roasting credibility comes along and generates a bunch of new enthusiasm. It's hard to resist anyone's "I'm having fun" post. Remember, without a dogbowl, the heatgun is just a bunch of hot air. Martin ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
I remember those posts, it was great fun reading how you were = progressing and perfecting your technique. And it seems that you also = added another dimension to wok roasting. There was certainly something = about "heatgun/dogbowl that caught everyone's attention, including mine. = Dave Lowe |
--- AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> Well it sure has worked great roasting cacao on clay tortilla plates over a fire for thousands of years. Should be fine with a heatgun/dog bowl. Poppers and Hottops might burn the cacao. With the heatgun you have good control. Charlie <Snip> ===== Brick Oven Roasting in British Columbia Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
Sometime around 03:06 PM 7/15/2004, HeatGunRoast typed: <Snip> Before I try it, do you think a classic "milk pail" will work as well? It is what I have around and is nice and deep. About 12" diameter at the top tapering down over about 12" to 8" at the bottom. Thoughts? -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:50 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> Too deep, you need to get the end of the heat gun within a couple of inches of the beans when applying the most heat. If no dogbowl is available try a wok, sauce pan or even a frying pan. Jim Gundlach= |
Bottom line is that heat + beans = roast. And folks have used all manner of bowls to hold the beans----reporting some good roasts with all. Here's my thinking: Stirring is key. You want the greatest mixing action that keeps the beans in the bowl, and you want it to be an easy and pleasant experience for a 9+ minute roast. If the pail is galvanized, it's going to have a roughish surface. A bit noisier and beans won't mix/slide as well. (This is drawn from my roasts in a rough cast iron wok compared to a smooth steel wok). The sharp angle at the bottom/side of the pail is another place of concern and may inhibit the easy mix of beans. I'd also wonder about the ratio of flat bottom to height of sides, and the angle of your "approach" with the stirrer and heatgun. All that said, if it doesn't work, I'm sure that this wouldn't be the first time you messed up a half lb of beans in a crummy roast. #:o) So try it. IMO, don't judge from the quality of your first roasts (the final products), but how interesting and pleasant it seems as a potential way of roasting. I've no doubt that the good roasts will come if you are enjoying yourself. Martin --- AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
HeatGunRoast wrote: If the pail is galvanized, it's going to have a roughish surface. WARNING: After doing a lot of research to find a non-toxic alloy to weight my Thor Hammers, I learned a lot about metals. You don't want to roast in a zinc coated bowl or pail! Zinc is not very good for you to ingest, and the heatgun could produce enough heat to contaminate the roast! Les |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. UGH. I hope the I-Roast is not made of zinc! I asked Gene over at = Heathware what the metal surface of the I-roast was made of and he said = it was confidential! Any idea Les or anyone? I didn't panic because he = told me it was not aluminum, although I think the very bottom part with = the holes cut out is aluminum based on how it looks and reacts to heat = with some discoloration, also there is some even greater discoloration = on the bottom of the inner rim of the slope downward, just next to the = outer surface of those circles on the bottom, but now the fear of zinc. = Any definite/final answer on the I-roast material? Otherwise, in walks = the Rosto?! Leslee Berringer |
Oh, yah. That, too. I'd put contamination and ingestion of toxic metals as a concern right behind "roughish surface." #:o) Martin --- Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi, Stainless steel colours (discolours) with heat and artists can use it = for that very specific efect. So if your colouration looks "internal" rather than "surface efect" it = is likely maturing stainless steel and will get better and better and = BE----. The joys of it all. It will have a quality that is not "coffee roastings" colour and crud = too. The empathy of it!! Peter. |
Looks and acts like stainless to me. It's the right color, the right stuff for the application, and a random chunk of aluminum doesn't scratch it. Except for the piece in the very top screen-holder bit, that one's galvanized. If you look at it next to any of the other metal in the roast chamber, it's definitely a lighter color than the dark, smoky colored stainless, more of a silvery-whitish. And held up to the light, there's a telltale fine crystallization visible in the surface. It's way, way downwind of any consumables, it's up to you though if it's far enough. John Kangas <Snip> Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ |
Thanks Martin. This weekend I will give it a try. Sometime around 08:50 AM 7/16/2004, HeatGunRoast typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
Zinc in my "milk" bucket. You had better hope not Les. Anyway, no, it it stainless steel. Sometime around 09:33 AM 7/16/2004, Lesley Albjerg typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
Alchemist John I was just making a general warning to the group. I know my milk supplier wouldn't do anything as stupid as use a zinc pail! Besides I know the alchemist is also a highly trained chemist! Les AlChemist John wrote: Zinc in my "milk" bucket. You had better hope not Les. Anyway, no, it it stainless steel. Sometime around 09:33 AM 7/16/2004, Lesley Albjerg typed: HeatGunRoast wrote: If the pail is galvanized, it's going to have a roughish surface. WARNING: After doing a lot of research to find a non-toxic alloy to weight my Thor Hammers, I learned a lot about metals. You don't want to roast in a zinc coated bowl or pail! Zinc is not very good for you to ingest, and the heatgun could produce enough heat to contaminate the roast! Les -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
OK, then :-) Sometime around 08:18 AM 7/17/2004, Lesley Albjerg typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
Wow! "Milk supplier?" Anybody knows that milk isn't "supplied." It sits in the market cooler in its original plasticized cardboard container until I take it home. I've heard that there's a large animal involved somewhere in the chain, but I don't want to think about it. This city guy just assumed that "milk bucket" was a design metaphor invented by Williams Sonoma. Martin --- AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ |
Martin, My milk come fresh in 1 quart glass containers from hand milked GOATS! There is nothing sweeter than frothed goat's milk! It makes some of the nicest micofoam that I have ever hand! I pick up three quarts a week from the Alchemist! Les P.S. don't try the junk in the stores. It just isn't fresh enough! HeatGunRoast wrote: Wow! "Milk supplier?" Anybody knows that milk isn't "supplied." It sits in the market cooler in its original plasticized cardboard container until I take it home. I've heard that there's a large animal involved somewhere in the chain, but I don't want to think about it. This city guy just assumed that "milk bucket" was a design metaphor invented by Williams Sonoma. Martin --- AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ |
Goats? No way. Aren't those the dancing critters that discovered coffee? The universe is a truly coherent marvel. Martin --- Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
Yup Goat milk it is! Never thought of the natural connection with coffee! Les HeatGunRoast wrote: Goats? No way. Aren't those the dancing critters that discovered coffee? The universe is a truly coherent marvel. Martin --- Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
Being allergic to all forms of dairy protien, I get my fresh milk from a
rare animal.....the SOY. Rumor has it that these "Soys" are very hard to
milk....I dunno..........
Mark
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On Jul 17, 2004, at 8:18 PM, Mark Tosiello wrote: <Snip> I think you even have to kill them to get the milk. Jim Gundlach |
Jim- - -I think you have Soys confused with Naugas that had to be killed to get their hyde. Soys, I believe were the inspiration behind Al Kapp's Schmoos. The happy little creatures that simply sensed your wish for milk or meat and rolled over dead to produce it. <Snip> ===== Martin Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
ROFL, let me guess, you don't even want to talk about nice package of "stew meat" in the store :-) Sometime around 12:12 PM 7/17/2004, HeatGunRoast typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |