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Topic: Tilia vs. Foodsaver 1050 vs. 550 manual? (8 msgs / 264 lines)
1) From: leslee berringer
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Thank you for all the Tilia and FoodSaver 1050 and 550 manual sealer =
posts!  Now I am confused.  Are they all using the same sealing method.  =
 After this subject was broached about a month ago, I went to WalMart =
and I noticed two types of FoodSavers.  One was a plastic jar type =
container which looked like it had a straw in it, as I remember.  And =
the other was some long machine where you attach those bags.  If the =
latter was a smaller machine with smaller bags, I would have opted for =
this.  But neither seemed ideal because the plastic jars were too large =
also.  I only want to store 20 grams per whatever, enough for one =
serving! Of course there was no one at Walmart who knew anything about =
how to use them and I didn't want to bother the group.  But since this =
topic has resurfaced, it sure would be nice to not have to throw out my =
beans!   (I seem to always get excited when a new order comes in from =
SM, I immediately roast something new and then the other beans get =
stale).  I would say I have thrown out half of what I have roasted to =
try something new! Both Walmart method choices seemed too large!  Also =
there was mention of freezing and then thawing before grinding, so as =
not to ruin your grinder.  Do I have to freeze?  Seems some people are =
not, and this would be great cause when I want to drink my coffee I =
would dislike having to wait the thaw time!  All that planning, ugh! Any =
advice?
So bottom line, which is the easiest and the best to use to not have to =
thaw?  The jar seemed too big and so did the plastic container thingies? =
Also, I live pretty close to a Costco.
Thank you very much.
Leslee Berringer

2) From: Edward Spiegel
At 2:45 PM -0400 7/18/04, leslee berringer wrote:
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Leslee,
The jar you saw is an accessory for the Foodsaver. All of the Foodsaver machine's are the 'long' machine that you saw. Some of them only do bags and some have a 'port' that you connect a tube to that can also vacuum seal the Foodsaver canisters (the container that you saw) and mason jars (if you have the accessory that does that).
I recommend getting one of the models that has the port to do things besides bags. I use the bags, the canisters and the jar sealer and find them all useful methods for storing different sorts of things.
-Edward

3) From: Angelo
If the amounts are small why use the containers to store them.? Just cut 
yourself some small pouches and vacuum seal those.....
I believe Mike does this for his trips, making single-serving sizes...He 
could probably fill you in on his technique...
Ciao,
Angelo
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4) From: leslee berringer
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Thanks Edward, now this is starting to make sense to me.   I still have =
not seen the mason jars, and I presume these are all glass jars, but I =
will keep looking.  I did think I read recently that someone even saves =
their greens in these mason jars?
This might be useful for me too since I have enough greens for about 800 =
days.  Primarily, for now though, my immediate interest is in having =
little hermetically sealed pouches of 20 grams of roasted beans.  From =
what you have said, I think that any long machine will suffice.  Wonder =
why they don't sell shorter ones?  O well, will make do.  I guess I will =
just use one whole big piece of plastic for that teeny 20 g. and then =
feed the same plastic remainder through the machine for my other 20 =
grams, is that about right?  And then no need to thaw, yes?  Maybe this =
will be good for 30 days of so, even if left out on the counter?
Thanks again.
Leslee Berringer

5) From: Edward Spiegel
At 4:34 PM -0400 7/18/04, leslee berringer wrote:
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These are standard canning jars that you will find in just about any grocery or hardware store. The FoodSaver has an accessory (mine came with it) that lets you vacuum seal them. Much more cost effective than the bags for things that you will open and want to reseal.
Best,
Edward

6) From: miKe mcKoffee
While I'm a FoodSaver vac sealing fool advocate and kind of started some
others on the List down that path a few years ago, vac sealing roasts IS NOT
a substitute for fresh roast at peak of rest IMO. Roasted whole bean vac
sealed and left at room temperature for 30days will be better than if left
exposed to oxygen for 30days at room temperature but it will have greatly
faded in taste. Still be better than whole bean junk sitting in huge hoppers
in a grocery store but it will have greatly faded from it's peak. I'd say 10
to 14days about max before it's very noticably ho-hum in the cup. Vac
sealing and deep freezing can extend decent flavor quite a few months. Still
won't be as good as frest roast peak of rest but very good months later.
Bag size wise us a little creativity! I routinely make up 32gr pre-ground
vac bags and freeze 'em for Debi to take to work. I also make up individual
brew whole bean bags for travel (when not bringing vac jars and FoodSaver,
as in flying somewhere versus driving). No need to use the whole bag width!
For Debi's I use 8" wide roll end cut & sealed @ 2 bag hash marks, then cut
in half lenthwise and manually seal the new side making two small bags. Can
also use 11" wide and cut in thirds but I found it's more of a hassle,
especially the center new bag needing both new sides manually heat sealed.
Though using the 11" for the little bags would actually be a bit cheaper I
use the 8" because it takes less time to make them.
You oughta see some of the different size bags I make for thinks like a
single left over piece of bacon, half a lemon, chunk of ginger root, piece
of cheese etc. (BTW, this morning got lazy and juiced half a lemon a new
way, just forked it through the FoodSaver bag! Worked great...) Oh, when
vac'ing something like half a lemon you don't go full vac or it'll suck the
juice out of it, hit manual seal early and use highest 5sec heat seal time
just in case any juice does make it up in that area.
End latest FoodSaver commercial as I ramble so gone...
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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7) From: Elliott H. O'Reilly
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The last time I checked Costco was selling the Tilia Foodsaver 1050 and
Sam's Club was selling the Tilia Foodsaver 750 which I use.  They are both
good and both have the port for sealing canisters and jars.  I think the
biggest difference is in the accessories and bags that come with the unit.
They were pretty close in price.  www.samsclub.com has the price at $99
which someone said was the same as the Costco package.  Accessories include
various bag sizes, cannisters, vacuum lids for sealing open tin cans, vacuum
stoppers for bottles and the attachment for sealing the cannisters also
works on masonjars.  I haven't tried it for coffee but I extensively vacuum
bag meats for freezing without them getting freezer burn.  Frozen meats and
other items can be quickly thawed by putting the bags in water.  The Solis
rep once told me to thaw frozen coffee beans before grinding them because
they could dull the burrs.
Elliott

8) From: Dave Huddle
Somewhat off topic - BUT- my motorcycle rain gear takes up
too much volume in my saddle bags.  So I vac sealed the pants and
jacket in separate pouches.  Really reduced the volume.  
Rain gear - don't leave home without it!
Back to coffe - sipping Ethiopian Harrar as I type.
Dave


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