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1) From: Paul
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Hi all,
 
I have just started using my bodum santos vacuum pot. I love it, makes great
coffee. I am getting stalls though. I wonder if anyone has any advice one
how to minimise these. I read someone say that using the glass filter from
the cona helps. Are they compatable with the bodum? Should the grinds be
finer or more coarse? I generally get by the stalls, if any, by putting the
pot back on the heat for a few seconds. I am sure this effects the end
product though. 
 
Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Thank
 
Paul

2) From: DEchelbarg
In a message dated 8/18/2004 12:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
paulsturge writes:
Should the grinds be finer or more coarse? 
More coarse

3) From: Paul
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Thanks. Any one have any ideas about the glass filter?
 
Thanks.  
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In a message dated 8/18/2004 12:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paulsturge writes:
Should the grinds be finer or more coarse? 
More coarse

4) From: Barry Luterman
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I owe a tradition. I just scored 2 Cory glass rod filters from e-bay. =
Will offer one up on traditions after I receive them this week.

5) From: Barry Luterman
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It's supposed to. That's what I want to check out before I offer it as a =
tradition. Should get it by Fri.

6) From: Paul
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Will it fit the Bodum?  
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I owe a tradition. I just scored 2 Cory glass rod filters from e-bay. Will
offer one up on traditions after I receive them this week.

7) From: DEchelbarg
In a message dated 8/18/2004 3:29:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
paulsturge writes: 
Thanks. Any one have any ideas about the glass filter?
Thanks
I have a Cory Rod, like it a lot, never had a stall with it.  Only one stall 
with the disc, and that with oily decaf beans.

8) From: Tim TenClay
I have a bodum vac pot.  It's nothing fancy, and I've had it for about 8
years.  The thing is, I cannot consistently get it to work.  The beastie
stalls on me (i.e. after pushing the water UP, it often doesn't filter back
down).  Any suggestions?
I've tried different grinds but still don't get a consistent brew....
Grace and Peace,
  `tim
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9) From: John A C Despres
Tim, how long do you leave it on medium heat after the water has moved into
the upper bowl?
John
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10) From: John Mac
As Ray O says, "Got Grinder" ?
Is this the electric Santos model?
Tom has a right up on the web site about them.
Check it out.
Cheers,
John in Nor Cal
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11) From: Tim TenClay
Grinder? Yep: Zass Knee Mill
Santos? No.  It's a stovetop model.  Like:http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=3&LIDT2&HID08-01&CHK=&SLT=&mscssidSLF544MESM8P3GRJ9CDQCMCDBEDSL3Grace and Peace,
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12) From: Tim TenClay
well, technically Santos? Yes.. just not electric model.
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13) From: Douglas Hoople
What is your filter arrangement? Cloth filter on frame and spring?
Aftermarket glass rod?
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14) From: Tim TenClay
No filter.  Just the plastic dodad on a spring.
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15) From: Douglas Hoople
I'm out of ideas, then. I don't know the Bodum. I've got a Hario 2-cup with
a cloth filter and a Yama 5-cup with a Corning rod. The Yama and glass rod
have well-known stalling characteristics, but I couldn't stall the Hario to
save my life.
Hope you get it worked out! If anyone can figure it out, they'll be here on
this list.
Doug
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16) From: John A C Despres
Tim, please share your whole process of brewing the pot of coffee so we can
look at the big picture. It may not be your grind at all. Could be, but
maybe not...
John
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17) From: Jeff Kilpatrick
Tim-
I used the Santos for a few years and ended up switching to the Yama for a
couple of reasons.  First, the Santos gets a lot of silt, especially if
you're using a crummy grinder line mine.  Second, it likes to stall.  Ruling
out the possibility of ditching it (what fun would that be?), I have two
suggestions.
First, make sure you're doing everything right.  Look through the list
archives and watch Doug's vacpot video, which I seem to recall was posted in
the last couple of months.  Aside from some controversial stirring, it
should serve as a good guide.  Second, triple check that grind.  If you're
using a whirley blade, you may just have to live with it.  If you have
something more reasonable, you should be able to dial it in to prevent
stalls.
Good luck!
-jeff
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18) From: Tim TenClay
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I usually don't.  I know some directions say to leave it on for a minute and
a half or 2 minutes, but I'm nervous about breaking the thing.  Is that part
of the problem?
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19) From: raymanowen
For not being a Bodum Santos vacuum pot, this image sure begs credulity:
SANTOSStovetop Vacuum Coffee Maker - 1.0L, 32 oz., black (01)
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Santos? No.  It's a stovetop model."
[I'll never tell- your secret is safe with me- no one else will ever see
this.]
As others may say, It's The Grinder, sir.
Either sift out the fines, or
get the finest nylon stocking, put the grounds into that in the top bowl and
try a brew with the fines captured,
try stitching up a filter bag out of sheer nylon tricot fabric or if you can
keep a secret,
Get New Burrs and sidestep all the nonsense. (Either new burrs as parts, or
a new machine that has burrs in it.)
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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20) From: John A C Despres
Hi, Tim.
If you're pulling the brewer from the heat as soon as the water is in the
top bowl, you may not have enough vacuum in the bottom.
I use a gas stove and the smallest burner. Once the water is in the top, I
reduce the flame so there is just enough heat to keep the top bowl bubbling
just a little. I use the small burner as it keeps the flame under the
remaining water and not licking up the sides of he pot.
I leave it there for two minutes using the stove top timer. I don't "stir"
the coffee. Rather, I use a narrow spatula to simply gently press the
grounds down into the water and I do it as soon as the water has all moved
to the top. Less the half inch that remains in the bottom, of course.
I suggest trying your typical brewing method without coffee and just plain
water and see what happens.
If it works perfectly, RayO's suggestion of sifting out the fines in your
grind may help as well. You'll lose some coffee, so grind a little extra.
Do you measure in the exact same amount of coffee every time?
I have been using a Yama with a Cory rod for quite a while. Tomorrow
morning, I'll use my Santos with the stock plastic filter and see if I can
learn something that will be of more help.
John
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21) From: raymanowen
There's more to it. If it's not the grinder, then not grinding the beans
won't make any difference.
This is basic troubleshooting. Try brewing a pot as normal, but don't grind
the beans. Just use whole beans and watch it go South at the end of Recess.
You'll have to extend Recess so that the water completely infuses the coffee
beans.
When you take it off the heat, water will go South just like you had flushed
the well-known convenience.
In the unlikely event that you prove to yourself that the grinder is not the
first cause of the problem, test further. Never ignore a reason to
upgrade. Now, you must promise to keep this next suggestion to yourself,
otherwise, I know nothing.
   - Get a can of Foulger's ground coffee. Their industrial grinders are
   fabulous machines since they can't afford to remove any fraction of the
   millions of tons of beans they process. Their commercial and consumer
   accounts would soon abandon them when word got around that their coffee was
   causing all the problems. Coffee doesn't taste so good if you can't even
   brew it.
Plus, the bottom line; if their grinders produced only 0.0001% fines that
they had to sift out to get a clean grind for fickle consumers, (they have
no brand allegiance and would instantly switch) that's Tons of coffee that's
ready to be packaged and shipped. Instead, they'd have to repackage it as
instant coffee for C-rations. Taster's Choice in the later C-rats and MRE's.
An excellent reason for flash freezing the beans before grinding, new burrs
or a whole new machine. Opportunity knocks but once.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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22) From: MikeG
Poor me.  The rubber gasket on my Hario 2 cup won't keep position at
the top of the downtube, even after trying to superglue it in place.
When I go to remove the upper at the end of a brew the gasket stays
stuck in the lower pot neck, yet it's friction on the downtube keeps
me from removing the upper.
Very frustrating, as it's a beautiful little brewer.  When I went to
the Technivorm I forgot about fixing the Hario as I felt it produced a
cup of equal or better quality with no "issues".
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