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1) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
There is a school of thought in the social sciences called 
ethnomethodology.  They are concerned with the lack of perfect validity 
in communication.  That is, they want to know how they can be sure that 
they understand what someone means when they tell them something.  Or, 
how can you be sure that you know what someone meant when they answered 
a survey question the way they did.  For example,  one  
ethnomethodologist pointed out that demographers make a lot of 
assumptions about the people who mark the option "female"  to the 
question that ask people their sex when they calculate a measure of 
fertility, the ratio of children 0-4 to women aged 15-49.  He then 
pointed out that he knew a biologically male transvestite who indicated 
that their sex was female on the census.   He then called the 
demographers idiots for including this person who cannot have babies in 
the denominator of this child-woman ratio.  My response was that we 
also assume about five percent of the females are unable to reproduce 
anyway and this transvestite is adequately accounted for.
I also note that the ethnomethologist produce almost no research and 
that as a result of attempting to achieve perfect communication, they 
never past questioning the communication necessary to do some research. 
  Too much of my limited life expectancy has already been spent on the 
question of how do I know they really mean kopi luwak when they say 
kopi luwak.   I have more important things to do, like make my wife a 
cup of coffee.
     Jim Gundlach
On Aug 26, 2004, at 2:07 AM, bemason wrote:
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2) From: Lesley Albjerg
Thanks for the insights.  When working on my M.A. in Linguistics I had to take 3 courses on ethnomethodology.  I agree the most important person to convince to keep the madness (coffee hobby going) is the wife.  The improved Cappos and cleaner grinding process thanks the the doserless Mazzer Major have helped the wife accept the Expobar on the counter.
Les
Pecan Jim Gundlach  wrote:
There is a school of thought in the social sciences called 
ethnomethodology. They are concerned with the lack of perfect validity 
in communication. That is, they want to know how they can be sure that 
they understand what someone means when they tell them something. Or, 
how can you be sure that you know what someone meant when they answered 
a survey question the way they did. For example, one 
ethnomethodologist pointed out that demographers make a lot of 
assumptions about the people who mark the option "female" to the 
question that ask people their sex when they calculate a measure of 
fertility, the ratio of children 0-4 to women aged 15-49. He then 
pointed out that he knew a biologically male transvestite who indicated 
that their sex was female on the census. He then called the 
demographers idiots for including this person who cannot have babies in 
the denominator of this child-woman ratio. My response was that we 
also assume about five percent of the females are unable to reproduce 
anyway and this transvestite is adequately accounted for.
I also note that the ethnomethologist produce almost no research and 
that as a result of attempting to achieve perfect communication, they 
never past questioning the communication necessary to do some research. 
Too much of my limited life expectancy has already been spent on the 
question of how do I know they really mean kopi luwak when they say 
kopi luwak. I have more important things to do, like make my wife a 
cup of coffee.
Jim Gundlach
On Aug 26, 2004, at 2:07 AM, bemason wrote:
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3) From: Coffee Seeker
Thank You Jim!!
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:10:25 -0500, Pecan Jim Gundlach
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