i ran the first test of the "crotchless" (aka chris' aka Zoka aka naked) portafilter this morning. results on my blog:http://godshot.blogspot.com/suffice it to say that people might want to consider playing with this. really. better photos:http://alistair.coffeed.com/intense! ########################## Chris Tacy -- Baristahttp://godshot.blogspot.com/ |
Chris, I am going to have to order two extra Portafilters! I have to give this a try. I do have a concern however with some of the smaller machines that really need the mass of the portafilter to keep temp stablility for their shot. Any thoughts? I sure am glad I have an Expobar! Les Chris Tacy wrote: i ran the first test of the "crotchless" (aka chris' aka Zoka aka naked) portafilter this morning. results on my blog:http://godshot.blogspot.com/suffice it to say that people might want to consider playing with this. really. better photos:http://alistair.coffeed.com/intense! ########################## Chris Tacy -- Baristahttp://godshot.blogspot.com/ |
Those are wonderful pictures. Crema in all its glory. I'm going to
have to look for an extra portafilter.
Jim Gundlach
On Aug 30, 2004, at 9:02 AM, Chris Tacy wrote:
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Chris: Did you just cut it off? I have two, a single and a double and I think I will try this. ginny |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. There has been some heated discussion about the reality of portafilter = heating and temp stability and flavour. Suffice it to say that people argue that it's possible that the = portafilter may well have more value for temp stability in the *group* = than the basket. On an LM, we're seeing significant temp drop with the crotchless = portafilter (it cools off far faster than with a normal portafilter) but = the espresso doesn't exhibit sour or under-developed flavours. Barry Jarrett repeatedly points out that the area of contact between a = portafilter and a basket is quite small indeed. It will be interesting to see what others find - especially on = non-commercial equipment. -c |
you can use a hole saw and a drill press and then round the edges with a drum sander on the press. some people have used a cut off saw, others have milled it... there is at least one vendor selling pre-machined portafilters and offering a modification service. -c |
Chris, Beautiful shot shots, especially the sequence. Your "thoughts" on it's value as a training tool were excellent too. PS I scrolled down and thoroughly enjoyed your 8/13 musings on "A 'Varietal' Espresso Revolution: The Case for Single Origin Shots". Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer etc.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm |
glad you liked it! just a draft - future versions will be athttp://malachi.coffeed.com/-c |
Chris: Nice blog, great info. I especially liked the single origin shots. I use single 95% of the time. Some get dumped right away but I have been blown away by others. Ginny |
It's always seemed to me that the heat of a portafilter would not have that much effect of the heat of the extraction water since the water hits it (the PF) AFTER it has gone through the basket. I always thought that it's the temp of the water going through the coffee that matters. It would seem that the temp of the grounds would have more of an effect than the PF body. Maybe, we should warm up the beans a bit....or leave them in the portafilter till they warm up ... Does it matter at all how fast the drawn espresso cools off, other than whether a person likes his drink hot or cool?...I actually prefer my drinks at close to room temp... Ciao, Angelo <Snip> snip... |
well... to me it seems that thr reason the portafilter has to me hot to temp is because the extraction it touching it..but since it is not there...move cup closer and there isnt much difference since the metal is not there...to me seems less is best...(less coffee being resisted by more medal anyway... Dennis Parham On Aug 30, 2004, at 1:18 PM, Angelo wrote: <Snip> |
That is amazing. Talk about the antithesis of black tar dribbles. I am virtually speechless at just the beauty of it. Sometime around 07:02 AM 8/30/2004, Chris Tacy typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
I'll be going crotchless by tomarrow! Les AlChemist John wrote: That is amazing. Talk about the antithesis of black tar dribbles. I am virtually speechless at just the beauty of it. Sometime around 07:02 AM 8/30/2004, Chris Tacy typed: i ran the first test of the "crotchless" (aka chris' aka Zoka aka naked) portafilter this morning. results on my blog:http://godshot.blogspot.com/suffice it to say that people might want to consider playing with this. really. better photos:http://alistair.coffeed.com/intense! ########################## Chris Tacy -- Baristahttp://godshot.blogspot.com/-- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
Why OOOHH WHY!!!! do you show me this!!! another AWSOME "tinkering trick" right when i break my hand!! boohoohoo!!:-(( its bad enough to = try tamping with only 1 hand! and it is left hand!! now ill have to wait 6 weeks to try it!!!WWAAA!!!((( turn a grown man into a BABY!!:(( lol Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:37 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> dribbles. I <Snip> |
Take care of yourself Dennis! I almost cut off my middle finger on my left hand on the band saw (I'm left handed) in January. I still have pain and it isn't back to normal yet. The PT said it will take another year!! Les Dennis Parham wrote: Why OOOHH WHY!!!! do you show me this!!! another AWSOME "tinkering trick" right when i break my hand!! boohoohoo!!:-(( its bad enough to try tamping with only 1 hand! and it is left hand!! now ill have to wait 6 weeks to try it!!!WWAAA!!!((( turn a grown man into a BABY!!:(( lol Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:37 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> |
--Apple-Mail-3--305937830 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset O-8859-1; format=flowed THANKS! the carpal fracture was the last 1/2" connected to my pinky knuckle.. angled in abou 20deg and ay 45deg ange to center of palm 20deg... im in a brace until swelling goes down... then cast hopefully = thursday morning..(blue one!! hehehe) maybe as swelling subsides, it might shift back into place....im hopeing.. noy looking forward to more = pain as they reset it again.. nuff about me!! what were you doing with your middle finger out at a running bandsaw!!! you should always love and cherish you tools!!!lol = or they can turn on you!!!! hehehehe by the way... i designed a drum sander that i have made into plans...if anyone wants a copy...let me know! I sell them, but for my pals here...Ill send you to the pdf files.... Iuse it to sand my boards for instruments smooth and flat... = great for no chipping exotic woods! and can sand and mild surface plane = up to 1/1000 inch!! Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:50 AM, Lesley Albjerg wrote: <Snip> my <Snip> have <Snip> dribbles. <Snip> --Apple-Mail-3--305937830 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset O-8859-1 THANKS! the carpal fracture was the last 1/2" connected to my pinky knuckle.. angled in abou 20deg and ay 45deg ange to center of palm 20deg... im in a brace until swelling goes down... then cast hopefully thursday morning..(blue one!! hehehe) maybe as swelling subsides, it might shift back into place....im hopeing.. noy looking forward to more pain as they reset it again.. nuff about me!! what were you doing with your middle finger out at a running bandsaw!!! you should always love and cherish you tools!!!lol or they can turn on you!!!! hehehehe by the way... i designed a drum sander that i have made into plans...if anyone wants a copy...let me know! I sell them, but for my pals here...Ill send you to the pdf files.... Iuse it to sand my boards for instruments smooth and flat... great for no chipping exotic woods! and can sand and mild surface plane up to 1/1000 inch!! Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:50 AM, Lesley Albjerg wrote: Take care of yourself Dennis! I almost cut off my middle finger on my left hand on the band saw (I'm left handed) in January. = I still have pain and it isn't back to normal yet. The PT said it will take another year!! Les Dennis Parham < wrote: Why OOOHH WHY!!!! do you show me this!!! another AWSOME "tinkering trick" right when i break my hand!! boohoohoo!!:-(( its bad enough to = try tamping with only 1 hand! and it is left hand!! now ill have to wait 6 weeks to try it!!!WWAAA!!!((( turn a grown man into a BABY!!:(( lol Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:37 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> dribbles. I <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > naked) <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > this. <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > unsvbscribes) go to <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > AlChemist at large <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> |
--Apple-Mail-4--304959024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset O-8859-1; format=flowed of course i scrape and tune the wood afterwards.. it is just easier to = get nice and flat! i do not use it on violins...they have to be carved... Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Dennis Parham wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> still <Snip> take <Snip> to <Snip> BABY!!:(( <Snip> --Apple-Mail-4--304959024 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset O-8859-1 of course i scrape and tune the wood afterwards.. it is just easier to get nice and flat! i do not use it on violins...they have to be carved... Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Dennis Parham wrote: THANKS! the carpal fracture was the last 1/2" connected to my pinky knuckle.. angled in abou 20deg and ay 45deg ange to center of palm 20deg... im in a brace until swelling goes down... then cast hopefully thursday morning..(blue one!! hehehe) maybe as swelling subsides, it might shift back into place....im hopeing.. noy looking forward to more pain as they reset it again.. nuff about me!! what were you doing with your middle finger out at a running bandsaw!!! you should always love and cherish you tools!!!lol or they can turn on you!!!! hehehehe by the way... i designed a drum sander that i have made into plans...if anyone wants a copy...let me know! I sell them, but for my pals here...Ill send you to the pdf files.... Iuse it to sand my boards for instruments smooth and flat... great for no chipping exotic woods! and can sand and mild surface plane up to 1/1000 inch!! Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:50 AM, Lesley Albjerg wrote: Take care of yourself Dennis! I almost cut off my middle finger on my left hand on the band saw (I'm left handed) in January. = I still have pain and it isn't back to normal yet. The PT said it will take another year!! Les Dennis Parham < wrote: Why OOOHH WHY!!!! do you show me this!!! another AWSOME "tinkering trick" right when i break my hand!! boohoohoo!!:-(( its bad enough to = try tamping with only 1 hand! and it is left hand!! now ill have to wait 6 weeks to try it!!!WWAAA!!!((( turn a grown man into a BABY!!:(( lol Dennis Parham On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:37 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> dribbles. I <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > naked) <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > this. <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > unsvbscribes) go to <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> > AlChemist at large <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I've been reading the messages on the "crotchless" PF. I have the tools to make the change to my PF but want to make sure I understand the modification. The idea is to "cut off" the entire bottom portion of the unit, basically setting it up to drip straight from he bottom of the grounds holder into the shot glass/cup correct? |
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Some people drill a hole the size of the filter down through the
bottom of the filter. When I did the portafilter for the La Pavoni I
just cut the bottom off from the side with the Dremel. I did not do it =
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with the tool I had.
Jim Gundlach
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Some people drill a hole the size of the filter down through the
bottom of the filter. When I did the portafilter for the La Pavoni I
just cut the bottom off from the side with the Dremel. I did not do
it this way because I thought it was better, but because it was easier
with the tool I had.
Jim Gundlach
On Sep 28, 2004, at 6:11 PM, B. Scott Harroff wrote:
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Sometime around 04:11 PM 9/28/2004, B. Scott Harroff typed: <Snip> Yes, that is the modification. Straight from the basket, flowing burnished meringue shall pour forth to the cup. <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/ |
--- Pecan Jim Gundlach wrote: <Snip> I chopped mine with a Dremel, too, but I cut around the bottom. Maybe that's why it took 5 cutting blades... Anyhow, I love the way it works now, much more crema, and so fun to watch the pour. Charlie <Snip> ===== Brick Oven Roasting in British Columbia Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!http://vote.yahoo.com |