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Topic: Tilting (was Re: +25 feet per minute Popper (3 msgs / 60 lines)
1) From: Edward Spiegel
At 3:51 PM -0500 8/31/04, micah milano wrote:
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How much do you put in the popper and how much are you tilting?
I find that there is an angle for the Toastmaster (its fan is MUCH more vigorous than my Poppery II's) where the tilt is optimal. There may be some uneveness of speed (on my TM) between upper and lower but there is a gradual exchange of beans from top to bottom and back (I used some black-eyed peas to make tracking the movement easier) that over the course of the roast evens things out. I do sometimes shake the popper to maximize turnover, but it doesn't seem to be necessary. If the TM is tilted too much, then the turnover is not adequate (unless the popper is agitated).
A lot probably depends on how vigorous the fan is. In the TM, the fan is actually a bit too vigorous and tilting results in a flow that is more like my wearever pumper (whose flow is NOT like the silex pumper's).
In the Poppery II that I have (but which I don't use much), I tilt less and must admit that I have not used it enough or tested it thoroughly enough to say with confidence that tilting is as effective with it as with my ToastMaster. I can't remember who suggested tilting to me, but with my Toastmaster the difference is significant (you can see some data about it on my popper tips page). I have no idea how representative my Popper II's fan is.
Best,
Edward

2) From: micah milano
I generally use 1/2 a cup and tilt between 30 and 45 degrees, there is
no turn-over if I tilt that much and I've tried a few times (thanks to
the advice of your page!) and it didn't seem to help much, maybe a
little uneven roasting because the beans at the bottom get pretty
roasted while the top haven't turned over. When tilting, I was also
shaking every 30 seconds until first crack...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:00:17 -0700, Edward Spiegel
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3) From: Edward Spiegel
At 8:00 PM -0500 8/31/04, micah milano wrote:
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Thanks for the information. I'll try this with my next roast. Perhaps, this tip only works in the poppers whose fans are super vigorous. I have a lot less experience with the Poppery II than the ToastMaster and Wearever Pumper. (As the movies on my site show, my Poppery II's fan is a lot less strong than that in the other popper -- I have no idea if that is typical of Poppery II's).
I'll update the tips page to mention that tilting may not work well for all poppers.
I should also mention that my Poppery II naturally roasts slower than my Toastmaster -- so I haven't had as much need to use slow down techniques with it.
Out of curiosity, what are your typical first crack, second crack times? I'd like to add some profiles from users besides me to the site since there is so much variation among poppers.
If anyone wants to add some roast data for your popper roasting (amount, total time, first crack and second crack times, variety) to my popper tips pages, I am sure that future popper roasters will appreciate it. There is a link to the  'leave a tip page' athttp://www.edwardspiegel.org/coffeeIf anyone else has feedback about what techniques work or don't, feel free to post a comment on the pages. As time goes on, I will incorporate feedback into the main page.
Best,
Edward


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