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Topic: new espresso machine (64 msgs / 1689 lines)
1) From: Scott Jensen
So what did you buy Charlie?  That's not really sporting of you to drop that
you bought a new machine and say nothing more about it!!  :)
Scott

2) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 You wouldn't say that if you knew what a cheap piece o crap I
"bought". I cashed in a bunch of points from my buying card at
the local supermarket and got a Hamilton Beach Cappuccino Plus
Espresso Maker (worth about $120 US). If I had money (just spent
my wad on tickets to Oaxaca) I'd either get my SM5K fixed, or go
for a Silvia or something like that. Whatever, I'm chopping the
HB naked tomorrow. BTW, this being my first
non-superautomatic--is the water supposed to come out of the
group under pressure (it doesn't on this), or does all the
pressure build up in the portofilter?? What a newby question, I
know. At least I finally get to use my CSA Thor tamper now! An
18 gram basket is nice, too.
  Charlie
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3) From: gin
Charlie,
I have a friend who has one of those and it seems to do a very good job, let
us know.
Ginny
When are you going to OAX

4) From: Scott Jensen
Well Charlie I'd say given that your coffee will be Primo, you'll be far
ahead of most shops using a commercial machine!  There is finally one shop
here in Tulsa that roasts their own, and pulls a fantastic shot too.  It's a
great combination. What's wrong with your solis?  I'm sure you mentioned it,
but I can't remember.
Scott

5) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 So far, pretty tasty. Much like the SM5K, but richer, with the
extra 9 grams of coffee. Could be better, though. I need a
better grinder than the big Grind Master with only one espresso
setting. I'll work more on my espresso roasts/blends, too.
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  The 27th of Oct. I'll be there in time for the Days of the
Dead. An old friend my age (too old to try and hike for 3 days
without water in the heat ) died while trying to cross the
Arizona border a couple of months ago and I have some things to
say to her spirit...(que estabas pensando?!!! I'll also be
visiting some really high elevation coffee farms that I've
always wanted to check out. Hope they haven't all quit yet, they
were growing some of the best I ever tasted.
  Charlie
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6) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 The grinder died. I tried to fix it, but it has a lot of chincy
little plastic parts, and even bits of a delicate foam-like
substance that hold it all together. It may have been a little
stone that caused it to jump out of alignment and eat one of
it's springs and ballbearings. I tried replacing those (many
times) but finally gave up. It'll be a few hundred bucks to ship
it to Seatle for an overhaul. One of these days...
  Charlie
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7) From: Ben Treichel
Oaxaca Charlie wrote:
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No. Thats why the tamp, grind, and amount of coffee in the PF have to 
match up. That combo generates the pressure and controls the extraction 
time.

8) From: John Blumel
On Sep 8, 2004, at 11:03am, Ben Treichel wrote:
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Well, that and the pump, of course.
John Blumel

9) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 Thanks, Ben. I figured that out. By putting 20 grams in the
basket, and tamping untill I lift myself off the ground (150 lb.
tamp), I get a beautifull 26 second 1.5 oz shot of all dark
crema. No bitterness, very nice. Gotta get a better grinder...
  Charlie
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10) From: Ben Treichel
Oaxaca Charlie wrote:
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?? I thought you had a Zass?

11) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 No. I only have a great big Grindmaster.Nice burrs. It'll grind
over 1 lb per minute, but the espresso setting, while in the
ballpark, isn't adjustable
  C
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12) From: Ben Treichel
Oaxaca Charlie wrote:
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Yep good for business, not great for personal.

13) From: Scott Jensen
Charlie when I had a grindmaster I asked how to adjust the grind so all the
grind settings of the selector would be right.   I was told to adjust it at
the espresso setting, to pull a perfect shot, then the rest of the settings
would be correct.  I think, (and it's been several years), there is a large
screw in the center of the selector knob.  If I am correct this screw moves
the inner burr closer or farther away from the outer burr.  I doubt it is
possible to get a perfect shot with one, but I think you could adjust it
closer.
I just found on online operators manual that explains it in detail.  Try
this link:http://www.grindmaster.com/product_detail.asp?id=1&cat=1I'm guessing that you have the 800 series grinder?">http://www.grindmaster.com/literature/operatorsmanual/GR-380-11%20800%20Series%20Manual.pdfor if that won't work go here and select 800 series operators manual.http://www.grindmaster.com/product_detail.asp?id=1&cat=1I'm guessing that you have the 800 series grinder?
Scott J.
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14) From: Oaxaca Charlie
--- Scott Jensen  wrote:
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  Gracias, Scott! I knew there was an adjustment possible, but I
thought it would take more tools and time. My Grindmaster is an
older model that's at least 20 years old but never was used. The
grind adjustment was pretty simple and easy. I got it really
tight,(just moved the screw a wee bit) and ground some Mocha
Java blend--like talcum powder, so I didn't tamp much.
 It took 30 seconds before the first drip of crema came out of
the portafilter, and 30 seconds later I had about 1/2 oz shot!
Intense flavor. Now I'm going to let off a bit on the grind ;o)
 I guess I don't need a better grinder after all. Cool! I only
paid $100 for it. It's perfect for drip etc., too.
   Charlie
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15) From: akkmom
Hi - I'm a frequent lurker, not so frequent writer, but I have a question I thought I'd throw out there.  I've been thinking seriously about getting a new espresso machine - I have a Braun (I think) that I got as a gift several years ago and used only occasionally - it made not great espresso (surprise!), but I couldn't afford anything better as a student - being perpetually broke but studying long hours and really needing the caffeine made it a keeper.  It's been in the cupboard gathering dust for awhile and I'm probably going to get rid of it during the next yard sale - my question is this.  I'm not by any stretch experienced in making espresso - I used my own machine a few times and worked in the law school student cafe for a year, but that's about it.  I was thinking of getting a Rancilio because it seems like a really nice machine, but I don't want to get in over my head.  On the other hand, I don't want to buy a cheap machine that I'm just going to want to replace in a 
 few years.  I'm already planning on upgrading my grinder - my bodum is getting somewhat dull and my husband is starting to complain about the coffee "dust" it generates.  I think I'm going to go with the Rocky, but would love to hear any other suggestions.
Hi - I'm a frequent lurker, not so frequent writer, but I have a question I thought I'd throw out there.  I've been thinking seriously about getting a new espresso machine - I have a Braun (I think) that I got as a gift several years ago and used only occasionally - it made not great espresso (surprise!), but I couldn't afford anything better as a student - being perpetually broke but studying long hours and really needing the caffeine made it a keeper.  It's been in the cupboard gathering dust for awhile and I'm probably going to get rid of it during the next yard sale - my question is this.  I'm not by any stretch experienced in making espresso - I used my own machine a few times and worked in the law school student cafe for a year, but that's about it.  I was thinking of getting a Rancilio because it seems like a really nice machine, but I don't want to get in over my head.  On the other hand, I don't want to buy a cheap machine that I'm just 
 going to want to replace in a few years.  I'm already planning on upgrading my grinder - my bodum is getting somewhat dull and my husband is starting to complain about the coffee "dust" it generates.  I think I'm going to go with the Rocky, but would love to hear any other suggestions.

16) From: gregcoffeeroast
I've owned a few cheap espresso machines and a few weeks ago I purchased a Silvia. Before that purchase, I spent numerous hours researching different machines. IMO, the Rancilio Silvia is the best machine for the money. You can spend less, but you'll get less and I believe this will show in the espresso you can produce. You can spend a lot more, but your gaining convenience and features more than you are gaining improved taste in your espresso.
The Silvia will not be over your head. I know it doesn't seem like it, but the Silvia really is a bargain in the overall scheme of things. If you buy a cheaper one, you probably will end up replacing it in a few years, and you'll just add the price of the cheap machine to the base price of something better, such as the Silvia. And you'll experience a lot of frustration in the meantime.
Your idea of going with the Rocky grinder is right on, IMO. Buying a good espresso machine such as the Silvia almost mandates that you purchase a grinder that can do justice to the machine. You could spend more and get the Mazzer Mini, but you don't have to. You could spend a little less, but I don't believe you'll get anything nearly as nice or useful as the Rocky. Rocky and Silvia are a great pair!
Greg
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17) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
On Apr 2, 2005, at 8:59 PM, akkmom wrote:
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    In my opinion, it takes a fair amount of additional money get get a =
better espresso machine than Ms. Silvia.  However, I find the infinite, =
as opposed to stepped, grind adjustment of the Mazzer  worth the extra =
money over the Rocky.  But a Silvia and Mazzer/Rockey combination can 
provide years of quality espresso and espresso based drinks.  The only =
other thing I consider a necessity is a Thor Tamper.
          Jim Gundlach
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"The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder, not the other way =
around."

18) From: AlChemist John
I have had shots from a Silvia, and they are fine.  It is a good 
machine.  If you do not want to quite go that high in cost, you can also 
look and the Gaggia line.  I have  a Gaggia classic and really could not be 
happier.  I do not have upgrade fever with it.  Also, you will not be sorry 
with a  Rocky.  If I were to get away from my manual Zass (which is the low 
price, long term acceptable option for espresso), it would be with a 
Rocky.  Neither a Gaggia nor a Silvia will put you in over your head.  They 
are just both good solid machines and will reward the effort you put into them.
Sometime around 18:59 4/2/2005, akkmom typed:
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John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
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19) From: Myron Joshua
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John,
Nice to hear that even after having shots from the Silvia you are still =
happy with the Gaggia. I too have a Gaggia...so now, i toow "could not =
be happier"..especially after Zassing the final 120 beans or so of SM =
Monkey blend on Friday and pulling a shot whose color was amazing and =
whose texture was the best i have had...G!d Shot? Well, i have had too =
little decent espresso to be able to be more than an agnositc on this =
one. But great..one to be remembered.
Thanks Tom and Maria for the Monkey Blend! And thanks to the forum for =
the good ol' hints (like stop/starting the HWP that probably made the =
roast better than usual)
Myron

20) From: Brett Mason
If the entry costg is an issue, go for a used Zassenhaus on eBay for
grinding, and go with the Silvia.   Then start saving your pennies for
a new Rocky...
Brett
On Apr 2, 2005 8:42 PM, gregcoffeeroast
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Regards,
Brett Mason
 HomeRoast
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   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

21) From: Barry Luterman
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Well I bit the bullet and bought an Expobar Brewtus. My espresso now =
costs out at $43 a shot. Now what to do with my PID'd Silvia which is in =
great shape?

22) From: Michael Dhabolt
Barry
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Now if you raise your consumption to a dozen double restrittae (sp) a
day, you should be able to amortize that down to something reasonable
in a few months.  It seems like you've only had that Silvia for ....
has it been a year yet?
Mike (with just plain Brewtus envy)

23) From: Barry Luterman
It's just about a year old and broken in beautifully. I hate to sell it but 
I guess it's going to have to go. Counter space is at a premium with the new 
Mazzer.Need you to come visit me in Hawaii to help amortize the shots.

24) From: Jim Rubino
I'm in the upgrade process and could be interested in a PID'd Sivia...let me
know if and when you're ready to sell...
Jim

25) From: Les
Now Barry,
I am expecting a full review of the Brewtus is a few weeks.
Les
On 5/10/06, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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26) From: Barry Luterman
OK if I don't have to sell my computer to pay for it.

27) From: Mark J Bergh
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Out of curiosity......
What factors influenced your decision on the Brewtus vs. the Andreja or
other HX machines?
I have some other coffee aficionados who are talking up the Brewtus more and
more.  Hmmmmmm......
 
Mark  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:03 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +New espresso machine
Well I bit the bullet and bought an Expobar Brewtus. My espresso now costs
out at $43 a shot. Now what to do with my PID'd Silvia which is in great
shape?

28) From: Barry Luterman
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Dual boilers no need to surf or  flush. Steaming capacity and =
consistency of temp between shots. Also got a great price.For an =
excellent review of the machine see:http://www.home-barista.com/brewtus-buyers-guide-getting-started.html

29) From: Greg Scace
Well I kept mine, even though I have two other machines.  I've even used it 
on occasion.  It could be very handy if my LM is down for any reason, and 
it's portable.
-Greg
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30) From: Sandy Andina
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That's why I haven't sold my Silvia, even though I own a Livia 90A.   
It'll probably go into my late mom's (alev hasholom) condo in FL,  
along with a Solis Maestro Plus,  when the transfer is complete---but  
not during the months a "snowbird" rents the place (unless they know  
how to use it).
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Silvia, even though I own a Livia 90A.  It'll probably go into my late =
mom's (alev hasholom) condo in FL, along with a Solis Maestro Plus,  =
when the transfer is complete---but not during the months a "snowbird" =
rents the place (unless they know how to use it).
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12, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Greg Scace wrote:
Well I = kept mine, even though I have two other machines.  I've even used it = on occasion.  It could be very handy if my LM is down for any reason, = and it's portable. -Greg At 08:02 PM 5/10/2006 = -1000, you wrote: Well I bit the bullet and = bought an Expobar Brewtus. My espresso now costs out at $43 a shot. Now = what to do with my PID'd Silvia which is in great = shape? = --Apple-Mail-28--501427627--

31) From: Barry Luterman
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I'm going to have to sell mine.Between the size of my stash and the new =
Mazzer there is just no room (according to my wife). So it comes down to =
a happy marriage or Silvia decisions decisions.

32) From: Brett Mason
She sure was nice too!
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 HomeRoast
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33) From: Greg Scace
Take it to your office.
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34) From: Brett Mason
Hi Jim,
My Silvia is not PID'ed, but is up for "Buy it Now or Make an Offer".
I am looking for something $360 for an offer, plus shipping.  If you'd
like to check it out, it's on eBay as Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine
- Lightly Used 1 Yr (Item #4463769237).
Let me know if you are interested.  This price will let you PID and
still be under the original sales price of the Silvia alone...
Regards,
Brett Mason
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 HomeRoast
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35) From: Rich M
Hi All-
Just looking for a little input from those of you that have already  
crossed over to the dark side. I have my Rocky grinder and now it's  
time to make the leap into an espresso maker.
Cost is an issue, so a double boiler is just too much right now.  
However, along with the occasional straight shot of espresso, we are  
big fans of the milk drinks, so it seems to me that an HX is the way  
to go. I did my research and I'm pretty sure the Expobar Office  
Control HX is the way I'm going. I've got a pretty good price lined  
up. Is there anybody out there who thinks I'm making a big mistake  
with this machine? Are there any alternatives I should check out? Any  
input would be appreciated. I still consider myself a newbie (only  
been roasting a year or so) and therefor the semi-automation of this  
machine is attractive to me. Also, I understand these units keep  
there value and if I ever decide to upgrade, I could probably sell  
this one without too much trouble. Thanks in advance for the input!
Rich M

36) From: Sherry Hausner
Rich,
I have an Anita Quickmill and it does a great job. I have heard good things 
about the Expobar also.
Sherry

37) From: miKe mcKoffee
The Expobars are quite capable of decent shots, assuming the handle side of
the portafilter is in order! That said if getting a decent price on a used
Expobar I'd go for it, if buying new I'd pass in a heart beat. Not because
of the machine but because the primary US vendor in question I'd rate rather
low on the after sale Service side of life. 
I wouldn't get hung up on Automatic's volumetric shot feature. Virtually
nobody serious about espresso uses it but rather uses the machine in
semi-auto mode anyway.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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38) From: Brian Fowler
What is this vendors name?  You can send it off list if you would like.
Brian

39) From: James
Something you might consider, especially if you plan on making any signific=
ant amt of milk-based drinks is the refurbished Kitchen Aid Proline Espress=
o Machine.  Approximately $350 for a dual boiler machine with very cool sty=
ling. Note that some of the ignorant snobs will pooh-pooh the machine (Kitc=
hen Aid for espresso ?!), yet not even be aware that the components are mad=
e and assembled by Gaggia and the machine is built to KA's specifications.=
  
Ships with nekkid filter baskets and has the 3-way solenoid valve f=
or brewing with a commercial grade chrome plated brass grouphead (58mm). No=
t an E-61, but everything else is definitely mid-grade or better.  A lot of=
 bang for the buck.
 
James in Southern CA.
----- Original Message=
 ----
From: Rich M 
To: homeroast=
s.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:03:09 PM
Subject: +New Espre=
sso Machine
Hi All-
Just looking for a little input from those of yo=
u that have already  
crossed over to the dark side. I have my Rocky grin=
der and now it's  
time to make the leap into an espresso maker.
Cos=
t is an issue, so a double boiler is just too much right now.  
However, =
along with the occasional straight shot of espresso, we are  
big fans of=
 the milk drinks, so it seems to me that an HX is the way  
to go. I did =
my research and I'm pretty sure the Expobar Office  
Control HX is the wa=
y I'm going. I've got a pretty good price lined  
up. Is there anybody ou=
t there who thinks I'm making a big mistake  
with this machine? Are ther=
e any alternatives I should check out? Any  
input would be appreciated. =
I still consider myself a newbie (only  
been roasting a year or so) and =
therefor the semi-automation of this  
machine is attractive to me. Also,=
 I understand these units keep  
there value and if I ever decide to upgr=
ade, I could probably sell  
this one without too much trouble. Thanks in=
 advance for the input!
Rich M=

40) From: Les
I have had a number of Tamper customers that just love their Kitchen Aid
Proline machines.
Les
On 2/15/07, James  wrote:
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41) From: James
Hey Les, isn't it about time for some sort of Tamper Tradition? I need a go=
od tamper to replace my dismal plastic thing.
  
James in Southern CA.=
----- Original Message ----
From: Les 
To:=
 homeroast
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:12:0=
5 PM
Subject: Re: +New Espresso Machine
I have had a number of Tampe=
r customers that just love their Kitchen Aid Proline machines.
 
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Les
 
On 2/15/07, James  wrote:
Something y=
ou might consider, especially if you plan on making any significant amt of =
milk-based drinks is the refurbished Kitchen Aid Proline Espresso Machine. =
 Approximately $350 for a dual boiler machine with very cool styling. Note =
that some of the ignorant snobs will pooh-pooh the machine (Kitchen Aid for=
 espresso ?!), yet not even be aware that the components are made and assem=
bled by Gaggia and the machine is built to KA's specifications.
Shi=
ps with nekkid filter baskets and has the 3-way solenoid valve for brewing =
with a commercial grade chrome plated brass grouphead (58mm). Not an E-61, =
but everything else is definitely mid-grade or better.  A lot of bang for t=
he buck.
James in Southern CA.
----- Original Message ----
F=
rom: Rich M 
To: homeroast
=
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:03:09 PM
Subject: +New Espresso M=
achine
Hi All-
Just looking for a little input from those of you tha=
t have already
crossed over to the dark side. I have my Rocky grinder and=
 now it's
time to make the leap into an espresso maker.
Cost is a=
n issue, so a double boiler is just too much right now.
However, along wi=
th the occasional straight shot of espresso, we are
big fans of the milk =
drinks, so it seems to me that an HX is the way
to go. I did my resear=
ch and I'm pretty sure the Expobar Office
Control HX is the way I'm going=
. I've got a pretty good price lined
up. Is there anybody out there who t=
hinks I'm making a big mistake
with this machine? Are there any altern=
atives I should check out? Any
input would be appreciated. I still consid=
er myself a newbie (only
been roasting a year or so) and therefor the sem=
i-automation of this
machine is attractive to me. Also, I understand thes=
e units keep
there value and if I ever decide to upgrade, I could prob=
ably sell
this one without too much trouble. Thanks in advance for the in=
put!
Rich M
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42) From: miKe mcKoffee
While you're begging for a freebie Thor tamper do recall it's been a scant
two months since Les & Alchemist donated not only a Thor tamper, but entire
espresso machine setup to the List.http://www.thortamper.com/gaggia.htmlWhat have you given to the List lately (or ever)?
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of James
	Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:28 PM
	Hey Les, isn't it about time for some sort of Tamper Tradition? I
need a good tamper to replace my dismal plastic thing.
	  
	James in Southern CA.

43) From: Brian Fowler
I'm a newbie here but I couldn't imagine asking someone to give them that 
much hard work, not to mention the cost of the wood which I'm sure is 
considerable.  When a plain old Reg tamper is 50 bucks, 60 or 70 is a steal 
for a work of art.
Brian

44) From: James
Hey Folkes, you need to get out more. There was no begging involved and the=
 message was sent in a jocular vein! Explicit smiley included in THIS messa=
ge.  
  
James in Southern CA.
----- Original Message ----
From:=
 Brian Fowler 
To: homeroast=
.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:45:36 PM
Subject: Re: +New Esp=
resso Machine
I'm a newbie here but I couldn't imagine asking someone =
to give them that 
much hard work, not to mention the cost of the wood wh=
ich I'm sure is 
considerable.  When a plain old Reg tamper is 50 bucks, =
60 or 70 is a steal 
for a work of art.
Brian
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ssage ----- 
From: "miKe mcKoffee" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:11 PM
Subjec=
t: RE: +New Espresso Machine
> While you're begging for a freebie T=
hor tamper do recall it's been a scant
> two months since Les & Alchemist=
 donated not only a Thor tamper, but 
> entire
> espresso machine setup=
 to the List.http://www.thortamper.com/gaggia.html>
> What have you g=
iven to the List lately (or ever)?
>
> Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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> first not know. And in knowing k=
now I know not. Each Personal 
> enlightenment
> found exploring the ma=
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> before.
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> From: homeroast-admin=
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> [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf=
 Of James
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:28 PM
>
>
> Hey Les=
, isn't it about time for some sort of Tamper Tradition? I
> need a good =
tamper to replace my dismal plastic thing.
>
> James in Southern CA.
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45) From: Brian Fowler
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Sorry, hard for me to pick up the humor in an email.  That, I think, =
means I spend to much time out and not enough reading emails I guess.
Brian

46) From: Brett Mason
Ya gotta offer something, and then mysteriously draw Les' name - even if he
doesn't enter...
On 2/15/07, James  wrote:
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Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

47) From: Brian Fowler
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Now that I get........lol.

48) From: Eddie Dove
James,
Next time, please include the appropriate voice inflection.
Have you seen the Olive wood tampers?  You should buy two.
Eddie
On 2/15/07, James  wrote:
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49) From: Les
Slight correction Kona Mike, it was Plain Mike (Mike Dahbolt) and I who did
the tradition.  I didn't get with Alchemist soon enough for him to put in
some of his great African DP blend.  Linda should be having a lot of fun, if
she isn't too snowed in.
Les
On 2/15/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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50) From: miKe mcKoffee
OOOps! Duh I knew that. Had talked to Mike while he was refurbing the Gaggia
and he told me about the plan before ya'll announced it on the List.
Apologies (just plain)! 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
	Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:40 PM
	
	Slight correction Kona Mike, it was Plain Mike (Mike Dahbolt) and I
who did the tradition.  I didn't get with Alchemist soon enough for him to
put in some of his great African DP blend.  Linda should be having a lot of
fun, if she isn't too snowed in. 
	 
	Les

51) From: Floyd Lozano
On the topic of Espresso machines, I just saw an ad on the front page of
another site (no links, but they have a whole latte equipment for sale if
you know what i mean) and the add is for the Capresso Impressa Z6, which
boasts a consistent and predictable brew temperature of 185 degrees F.  Am I
mistaken in thinking this is a consistent and predictable 10 degrees below
the minimum window (196-205F) for ideal extraction?  Or am I misinformed?
Why would anyone boast about being off by 10 degrees all the time, every
time!  $3500 is a lot of money to be wrong ;)
-F
On 2/16/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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52) From: Justin Marquez
On 2/16/07, Floyd Lozano  wrote:
<Snip>
"It's not a bug, it's a FEATURE..."
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

53) From: B. Scott Harroff
Rich,
I have an Expobar Brewtus II.  For what its worth, it's a very good base
machine (other than what I'll call fit/aesthetics).
And, later on down the road, one could (like I did) add a PID for complete
control (+/- 0.2 degree) over the boilers and add a rotary pump.
Short of a La Marzocco GS3, I don't think you could get any more performance
out of a home/office machine.

54) From: Vicki Smith
I've been hesitant to write about my new machine, as I am far from an 
espresso expert, but at first glance, and with a totally lousy espresso 
grinder , it has exceeded my expectations. I bought the Bezerra 
BZ02A, new for $698. Pricing on it is all over the place. It is an 
attractive entry level HX machine that does not have the E61 group. It 
has plenty of steam power for milk, is easy to use, and the temperature 
part is easy as pie to figure out.
Even with my substandard grinder (pray for me folks, the Rocky is going 
to the repair shop later today), I am getting a pretty good looking (and 
tasting) shot with decent (but mebbe not great) crema, and today, my 
first tiger striping. Now, I have only pulled 20 or so shots and I am 
totally a noob, so this has to be taken into consideration. I had been 
using a hand me down steam toy, before this.
I might have made a different choice if I had $1000 to spend, but I 
didn't. I don't know if a first look from someone with so little 
experience has any meaning, but that's my take on this machine.
vicki

55) From: Rich M
To all who responded to my initial question, a heartfelt thanks. Just  
when I thought I had it figured out, I'm headed back to do a little  
more research. I haven't dismissed the Expobar by any means, all your  
comments have given me reason to pause.
To Vicki, in my opinion I don't think you should ever shy away from  
throwing in your two cents worth. There are some true experts that I  
love to hear from on this list. But just as important are those with  
a similar level of experience as me. Hey, I want great coffee like  
everyone else, but I want to have fun doing it. Part of the fun are  
the unique perspectives of people with different experiences and at  
differing levels of expertise. In the end, if someone doesn't find  
what you have to say useful, they're only one keystroke away from  
removing your thoughts from their computer screen. To me, your  
comments were great--- not so much your grinder carrying ability ; )
On Feb 17, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Vicki Smith wrote:
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56) From: LInda Reese
Vicki, I agree with Rich. Your ability to convey useful information is 
invaluable to those of us with more limited experience. Good luck with 
Rocky.  Linda

57) From: Coffeenut
Vicki,
You gotta start somewhere with espresso and your machine is certainly
several steps ahead of my first which was a refurbished Solis SL90.  I could
turn out a pretty tasty drink with the SL90 once I learned how to use it.
My daughter has it now and is still using daily it in her home.  I've been
using an Isomac Rituale (E61 type) for several years and love it.  
I have a Rocky DL grinder and boy has it been a workhorse for both espresso
and drip grinds.  That thing is built like a tank, so hopefully yours will
be repairable.  I think the Rocky is a real bargain at its price-point.  I'd
love to has a Mazzer too, but the Rocky get's the job done and I wouldn't
hesitate to buy another one.
Good luck, it's a lot of fun to have new coffee toys!
Rick

58) From: raymanowen
Oh, Vicki-
I just remembered now that you mention your Rocky's going to the shop: I,
too, have a box of - - let's see - -  Oh, yeah- It's Elektra lever parts. It
fell over and amazingly, it's unrecognizable. Can someone make it work for
me?
Cheers and Grins -RayO, aka Opa!
I don't remember how much it cost =He He =

59) From: miKe mcKoffee
First condolences on Rocky's mishap. Second feedback from dark side
neophites especially valuable for others contemplating the plunge. Don't
hesitate to share you journeys!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
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60) From: Vicki Smith
Well, I turned the Rocky (who, at this point should be called Pebbles) 
over to Edmonton Joe, a truly lovely man. Joe thought that it could be 
fixed, but it would take the ordering of parts, some of which might not 
be available through the usual channels. The broken bean hopper is not a 
big deal, but the whole front piece, the tall silver shiny thing that 
the motor assembly screws into, has to be replaced, and getting that 
part is going to take awhile, and be expensive. Joe will have an 
estimate for me by the end of the week, and we're guessing that if we go 
ahead with it, it will be quite a bit longer before the parts come in 
and it gets fixed.
For the Canadians on the list, Joe also gave me some information about 
Canadian pricing. It seems that ships bringing freight to Canada take a 
pretty amazing shipping route to get from European to a Canadian port.. 
They go first to the US, and then on through the Great Lakes, off 
loading at Toronto, where they face import duties and brokerage fees 
that are higher than in the US. It almost doubles the shipping cost.
Joe thinks individuals who can buy in the US and bring stuff up should 
do it, as there is no way he, or anyone else, will ever be able to match 
the price. In fact, he said I got a better price for my Bezzera than he 
can get from the importer. He said he would always be happy to service 
the Bezzera (or any other equipment I buy that he also stocks). He is a 
very nice man,  and I am lucky to have his shop only a couple of hours away.
vicki
Linda Reese wrote:
  Good luck with
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61) From: Vicki Smith
If I had a good hand grinder, I'd give it a shot, though chances are, 
Ron would have to grind for me if I were doing more than pulling a shot 
at a time. Fortunately, the Bezzera likes a slightly coarser grind than 
the "better" hx machines, so my Solis Maestro Classic isn't a total 
washout. I suspected this might be the case, and Joe confirmed it. Silly 
me, I brought some grind with me and he spent some time with me going 
over some of the finer points. I said he was a good guy, didn't I?
V
True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:
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62) From: Eddie Dove
Vickie,
He sounds like a great guy.
The hand mills can be driven with a cordless drill ... if that helps.
Eddie
-- 
Errare humanun est - sed perseverare diabolicum
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 2/17/07, Vicki Smith  wrote:">http://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 2/17/07, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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63) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Vicki,	
	Have you thought about a good hand grinder to have as a back up
when something frightful happens to you primary grinder?
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
Safety Dept
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
FPO AE 09532-2830
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the Indian Ocean
 "On station and on point 97 and counting down..." 
<Snip>

64) From: raymanowen
If you don't mind the beasts' getting dizzy, a couple of Oxen could grind
nearly commercial quantities of coffee with the right stones. Beasts of
Burrdon!
Any journeyman stone mason could sculpt good coffee burrs.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
I'm new here- you don't know me. A Lurker...
On 2/17/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976


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