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Topic: Aluminum consumption (was Re: +Moka Pot Coffee (12 msgs / 269 lines)
1) From: Edward Spiegel
At 5:40 PM -0500 9/19/04, micah milano wrote:
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Hello Micah,
The last I read about this, there seemed to be a general consensus among scientists that the aluminum plaques found in the brains of alzheimer's patients is not likely to be related to the incremental amounts of aluminum to which one is exposed as the result of eating food cooked in aluminum. The amount of aluminum entering your diet from a moka pot would be insignificant compared to the amount of aluminum that we are exposed to in the environment from drinking water, food additives and the like. Even though coffee is acidic, it is  in contact with the aluminum for such little time, not much aluminum is leaches into it. Even if you heat tomato sauce in unlined aluminum, the amount that leaches into the sauce is still small compared to the amount of aluminum that otherwise gets into your system. So, I don't think that one needs to be concerned about using an aluminum moka pot in this regard.
There have been a number of studies done comparing the incidence of alzheimer's disease in areas with high and low incidence of aluminum and no correlation has been found.
There are other reasons to avoid excess aluminum (it is hard on the kidneys and may weaken bones), but the amount of aluminum you'd get from a moka pot would be incredibly small.
That's my .02,
Edward

2) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Thanks for the post, Edward - this was my understanding too after the 
"aluminum cookware" scare about 15-20 years ago. But I admit I am 
still a little uncomfortable with aluminum, even just for the fact 
that it is more porous, soft, and less durable. I also notice that 
cast aluminum is coated in one or various ways (of which I am not 
sure)  and that the coating wears off. I believe they use a lacquer 
coating on some non-food contact surfaces. Does anyone know more 
about this? Or a FAQ on aluminum cookware in general?
Tom
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3) From: Dennis Parham
everyone better stop using Underarm deodorant too..HAHAHA (rolling 
eyes!)  one of its main ingredients is.....ALUMINUM! lol
Dennis Parham
On Sep 20, 2004, at 10:50 AM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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4) From: Myron Joshua
Tom,
Here are a couple of links I found helpful.http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaq.htmlhttp://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/products/cookware.html
ciao,mryon

5) From: tenclay
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The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences says this on the
topic:
    http://www.niehs.nih.gov/external/faq/aluminum.htmThe CDC's info is here:
    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.htmlHope that helps :-)
Grace and Peace,
  `Tim TenClay

6) From: Gene Smith
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And, oddly enough, Dennis, that's one area that really does bear some 
scrutiny.  Hard as it is to aluminize yourself with a moka pot, it is 
generally agreed that aluminum getting in your lungs is a lot more dangerous 
that getting in your gut.
How, you ask, would you go about getting aluminum in your lungs?  How about 
spraying it under your arms?  Effect can be maximized if you use a lot of 
spray deoderant in a confined space...like, say, oh I don't know...a 
bathroom?
No need to go all Klingon in the underarm department, but aerosol deoderant 
is probably a bad idea for a number of reasons.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

7) From: Dan Bollinger
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fyi: Sweden has banned the use of aluminum in anti-persperants.

8) From: Peter Schmidt
ladies and gentlemen....
  please allow me to throw in my 2 on the aluminum subject.  i've been
following this for years.  with regard to underarm applications, from what
i've gathered the greater concern is with women who shave their pits.  this
abrasion breaks the skin, allowing more of the aluminum zirconium into the
blood stream.  but alas, the jury's still out depending on whether you
listen to the fear monger's or the paid-off-by-big-business FDA.
roasting in the shade in milwaukee,
peter schmidt

9) From: javafool
I thought the aluminum was in the anti-perspirants rather than in 
deodorants. I think that is what causes that terrible arm pit rash when I 
grab the wrong type off the shelf.
Terry

10) From: micah milano
Dennis,
Not all underarm deodorant has aluminum as its main ingredient, in
fact most natural healthfood stores don't carry any that contain it.
If I recall the inclusion of the substance in cosmetics has been
banned in Japan and Sweden because of health risks.
My point earlier was that people with chronic illnesses (and I speak
from experience) are advised to do what they can to limit putting
heavy metals into their body, because the body under duress has
difficulty processing and excreting these metals and spends more time
dealing with this than healing. It may be true that the amount of
aluminum that one would ingest in the regular daily use of a moka pot
is small, but if you combine that with Dennis' underarm deodorant,
eating mercury laden fish, etc. you end up with a fair amount for a
frail body to deal with.
Dennis, you may laugh at the thought of someone not using underarm
deoderant, but people with chronic illnesses don't find it very funny.
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:08:12 -0500, Dennis Parham  wrote:
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11) From: Dennis Parham
Point made... I did not mean to offend.. Actually what I meant by it 
was that so much disregard for human safety in place of making a 
product cheaper is quite disturbing, and it seems our only recourse is 
making sure we are educated and educate others in this matter... I 
majored in Organic Chemistry and a Father as a Psychologist... in my 
haste to be sarcastic towards the manufactures of products that hurt 
more than help, ( like many DESIGNER medications) I could see it as 
looking shallow and insensitive but I assure you it was not meant that 
way....  I also use aluminum free deodorants.... and never the 
sprays...
Dennis Parham
On Sep 20, 2004, at 6:51 PM, micah milano wrote:
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12) From: John Blumel
On Sep 20, 2004, at 7:51pm, micah milano wrote:
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I don't believe Aluminum is classified as a 'heavy' metal, but rather, 
as a possibly (and the evidence to date seems, from what I've read, to 
be inconclusive) toxic mineral. While this might seem like picking 
nits, my understanding is that heavy metals behave, and are handled 
biologically, differently because of properties specific to them and, 
thus, it may not be valid to lump Aluminum together with Lead and 
Mercury, which are classified as heavy metals, when discussing 
potential biological effects. (Perhaps a chemist or biologist on the 
list can weigh in on this?)
I believe the organs/systems to which heavy metals commonly cause 
damage are primarily the liver, the kidneys, and the nervous and immune 
systems. So the relevant question, in regard to your rationale for 
avoiding Aluminum, would seem to be whether Aluminum is known to cause 
damage to these organs/systems and would therefore add to the damage 
caused by heavy metals. I don't know the answer to this question but it 
seems that it is, at best, uncertain as to whether it does.
Given the high degree of uncertainty surrounding Aluminum's potential 
toxicity, despite the apparently large amount of research done on it, 
it doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense to expend much effort or 
significantly alter one's lifestyle to avoid it or to minutely decrease 
one's intake of it. After all, there are any number of compounds and 
substances that are either suspected of having or known to have toxic 
effects, as well as all of the toxic compounds or substances that have 
yet to receive any scrutiny, and you can't possibly avoid them all or 
even always know when you are exposed to or ingest them. It seems to me 
that one's energy is better spent focusing on substances that are known 
to be harmful and prevalent.
However, if you feel that avoiding Aluminum improves the overall 
quality of life for you, by all means avoid it. I just don't think that 
most people are convinced that avoiding it does so for them.
John Blumel


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