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Topic: Okay...so I was wrong (7 msgs / 139 lines)
1) From: Gene Smith
After proudly posting my fix for the catch box messiness on my Capresso El 
Cheapo grinder, I have to admit I got it wrong.  I finally figured out that 
it was making *more* mess after my clever addition of a rubber band gasket 
between the exit from the grinder and the plastic catch box.
Scratched my head a bit, and then it dawned on me.  A burr grinder - unless 
it is geared down to turn pretty slowly - is a fan.  It's a really crappy 
little turbine, but it does blow.  Apparently, it blows just enough that if 
you seal up the entrance to the catch box - which, of course, has no exit - 
the nasty little grounds want to get back out the entrance and will force 
themselves past the makeshift gasket, splattering everywhere in the process.
The sloppy fit that comes from the factory apparently allows this slight 
airflow to exhaust without taking too many grounds with it.  Tighten it up 
and it wants to spit.
Whooda thunk it?
Anyhow, rubber band removed...mea culpa tendered...and I'm thinking very 
seriously of knocking over a 7-11 to finance a decent grinder.
Hmm...I wonder if panhandling in the airport would work...?
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

2) From: Bob Baker
"Hey buddy can you spare some loose change, so I can get a grinder?"

3) From: Gene Smith
A *decent* grinder.  I believe in being truthful whenever possible. 
Besides, when people give you money, I think they want to at least hope 
you're going to attempt to better yourself with it...not just use it to 
maintain your low standards for another day.
After all, give a man a whirlyblade and he'll have coffee for a day...but 
teach him to panhandle enough for a Mazzer...
Gene Smith
who dreams of that Rocky in the thrift shop

4) From: Dennis Parham
I have to admit.... I grinder should be the HUB of any quality setup... 
even before espresso machines and stuff... cupping with all the other 
varieties like french press, drip, moka, cory, ext... they make 
EXCELLENT Coffee!! if I were starting over with what I know now... I 
would get a ROCKY or ZAUSS, or MAZZER ...or any commercial level 
quality grinder...then pic out the machine Fpress, espresso,  
whatever... even espresso machines can come and go...b ut a grinder??? 
um...get all you can afford... espresso can come later!!  and I LOVE 
ESPRESSO!! but not if I had a crappy grinder!!  lol
Dennis Parham
On Sep 28, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Gene Smith wrote:

5) From: R.N.Kyle
If I had saved the money I spend on lower end and bad grinders I could have
had 2 Mazzer's. Now I have one Mini, and saved traded and auctioned off all
my other stuff and bought a Expobar Office Pulsar. I now have a great
grinder and really nice Espesso Machine. The grinder is the most important
part in brewing great coffee.

6) From: Norm Hardy
Your Capresso "El-Cheapo" - which model is it?
I recently purchased a Capresso Infinity conical burr grinder ($99) and have 
had no problems with static or messiness.  Cleaning is pretty simple too.
Very noticeable improvement over my old Krups blade grinder.

7) From: Gene Smith
Model 551.  Retails for around 50 bucks, but I got mine virtually new at a 
thrift store for $14 (hence, el cheapo)
I believe the Infinity is a much nicer grinder than the 551, but still 
hampered by the fact that only the upper burr is replaceable
While it is possible - with skill - to use a whirlyblade, I think very few 
burr grinders wouldn't be an improvement - in consistency of grind, if 
nothing else.  As has been mentioned on the list many, many times before, 
all bets are off if we are talking about serious espresso.  Espresso really 
seems to benefit from a top flight grinder, and some of the nicer of the 
less-expensive burr grinders will apparently wear themselves out in fairly 
short order at their finest grind setting.
I am firmly among the ranks of Believers on this topic, and the only thing 
between me and a Rocky, Mazzer, or equivalent is $$$.  When I've got it, 
I'll get it.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

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