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Topic: Obituary for an Alpenroast (32 msgs / 874 lines)
1) From: MMore
She's dead.  My Alpenroast, only 1 year 8 months old seems to have  died.  
The fan won't run causing overheating of the main compartment.   Only question 
is - is it worth fixing?  (and how) or should I replace it  with an I-Roast?
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

2) From: Wandering John
HOTTOP!!

3) From: MMore
Is the added expense of a Hot Top justified?  What makes it better  than, 
say, the new I-Roast?
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

4) From: alfred
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The queen is dead, long live the king!
 Get a  HOT TOP, like no other.

5) From: Barbara Greenspon
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I don't personally know about the i-roast, but there is no doubt that 
the HotTop is a phenomenal machine. 
Barbara
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6) From: AlChemist John
Capacity, quality and easy of use.  If you can afford either, the hottop is 
definitely the superior roaster.  Granted, it does not have the programing 
ability of the I-roast, from tasting beans from both, it does not need 
it.  The base profile it has it good.  The HT roasts half a pound where the 
I-roast does 150 g or so.  If you like and are used to the Alpenroast, the 
HT is its big brother done well.  I would expect the I-roast to frustrate 
someone used to push it and leave it, and even someone wanting "good" 
profile programing.
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7) From: B. Scott Harroff
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I currently have an iRoast and asked a similar question to Tom/Maria a few
days ago as I am considering getting a drum roaster.  She pointed me to
this:http://www.sweetmarias.com/tiny_joy_html/tinyjoy-augsept-03.pdfIf I were to get a drum roaster, I would now get the HotTop. I say "if"
because I like to do small roast batches of different coffees (1/2cup / 3
ounces) and the HotTop is designed for 8-9 oz.
Something else to consider, if you buy another Alp, you'll have more
invested that it would have cost to purchase the HotTop.  Though I've not
had either unit yet, I'd bet the HotTop outlasts (lifespan) the Alp.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MMore
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:03 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Re: Obituary for an Alpenroast
Is the added expense of a Hot Top justified?  What makes it better than,
say, the new I-Roast?
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

8) From: Gene Smith
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I can't believe none of the list's famous tinkerers have replied yet, 
Michael.  I expect one or more of them will eventually chime in and suggest 
fixes for yor Alp.
*Just*in*case* they don't, when you throw that Alp away, there's a 
perfect-sized trashcan for it, right here in Texas!  I'd love to dig into 
one and see how it works (or why it doesn't).  Remember: One man's trash is 
another man's coffee roaster!
Gene Smith
unclear on the difference between trash & treasure, in Houston

9) From: Dennis Parham
hehehe..Im afraid too since Tom Sells HOTTOPS and by pushing other 
appliances he does not carry might be a difference of opinion...since 
it seems like a sale is about to happen!!  hehehe
Dennis Parham
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10) From: Brian Knowles
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On Sunday, October 3, 2004, at 12:49 AM, MMore wrote:
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compartment. 
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Yours lasted a year and 6 months longer than mine.  Swissmar is 
replacing mine, should be here next week, but if it dies again it gets =
replaced...
Sounds like yours died of the same thing as mine, too.  Think I have to =
fangle a way to shut off the power if the drum stops...
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On Sunday, October 3, 2004, at 12:49 AM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000She's dead. My
Alpenroast, only 1 year 8 months old seems to have died. The fan
won't run causing overheating of the main compartment. Only question
is - is it worth fixing? (and how) or should I replace it with an
I-Roast?


Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.
Yours lasted a year and 6 months longer than mine.  Swissmar is
replacing mine, should be here next week, but if it dies again it gets
replaced...
Sounds like yours died of the same thing as mine, too.  Think I have
to fangle a way to shut off the power if the drum stops...
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11) From: alfred
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Michael: More than any other thing that convinced me on the Hot Top was =
Tom's statement;
This is the closest you will ever come to a commercial roaster
I have found it a superb machine

12) From: Paul Goelz
At 12:06 PM 10/3/2004, you wrote:
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I would suspect that the fan is the easiest thing to fix on the Alp.  It 
runs all the time that the machine is running, and at the same speed.  So 
either the fan or its control device is dead.  If the control device is 
dead, simply wire the fan to the incoming power.  And if the fan is dead, 
replace it with an equivalent fan.  Either way you should be able to get 
things working again.  Having the fan run the entire time the unit is 
plugged in is probably not a bad thing.
Paul
Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills, MI
paul at pgoelz dotcom
pgoelz at eaglequest dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com

13) From: Les
I really like the G-mail.  You can follow a thead really well! 
HOTTOP?  I-ROAST?  Both of these are sensitive electronic roasters! 
My vote goes to a RK Drum!  My whole RK setup with all new equipment
cost less than $350.00.  It is built like a tank, (It does have a gas
tank!)  There are no expensive electonic parts to break or wear out! 
Roast load is 4oz. through 4 pounds.
Les

14) From: Lesley Albjerg
Alfred,
An RK drum is a commerical roaster and is cheaper.  According to Ron, there are a number of folks using them in their buisness adventures.  In fact we have one (not me) doing it right here in Roseburg.  
 
Les
alfred <2391> wrote:
Michael: More than any other thing that convinced me on the Hot Top was Tom's statement;
This is the closest you will ever come to a commercial roaster
I have found it a superb machine

15) From: Ann Vanderlaan
Listmates,
Did Michael's Alpenroast die prematurely in your opinion(s)?
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    _  Round Rock
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16) From: Chuck the AV-Geek
I bet the drum could be used by one of our Grill roasters.  I know if mine 
ever goes, that drum is going under the knife to make it work in my grill.
Chuck the AV-Geek
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17) From: Bob Baker
Ann, you ever get over to the Round Top Cafe, in Round Top??
One of our Favs...
Bob/Dallas

18) From: John Blumel
On Oct 3, 2004, at 6:40pm, Ann Vanderlaan wrote:
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In an absolute sense, yes. A roaster should certainly last longer than 
a little over a year and a half.
Relative to other Alpenrosts, maybe not. I had one die in about six 
months. The second one was starting to get flaky after almost a year 
when I bought a Hottop and stopped using the Alpenrost. (I've been 
using the Hottop for about a year and a half now with no problems.) On 
the other hand, I think many people on the list have had much better 
success with Alpenrosts. I don't think I was abusing them so I suspect 
there have been (or are) issues with quality consistency.
John Blumel

19) From: John Blumel
On Oct 3, 2004, at 5:20pm, Lesley Albjerg wrote:
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$585 Hottop from SM's w/o sampler
      (It's a better deal with the sampler and only $10 more.)
$503 RK Drum, Grill, Rotisserie & 57rpm Motor
      RK Drum = $210
      Grill*  =  135 (cheapest >= 35K BTU @ Lowes)
      Motor   =  125
      Rotiss. =   33
      * This is the cheapest grill (a Charbroil) that seems to
        meet the requirements discussed on the list. If it isn't
        up to the task, this cost would increase. There could be
        additional costs associated with heat diffusion materials.
        If you want to use this grill for cooking, you'd be better
        off buying something more expensive. However, it would be
        reasonable to claim that this might actually reduce the
        'roaster cost' of the grill, depending on how much you
        spend and what percentage of use is for roasting vs.
        cooking. Other additional expenses may include gloves for
        handling the drum and cooling equipment.
Now I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying an RK Drum and, based 
on testimonials posted to the list, they seem to work as good or better 
than a Hottop and seem likely to last longer. I just want to point out 
that, unless you already have at least some of the equipment required, 
you shouldn't expect to save a lot of money going the RK Drum route and 
it could easily cost more depending on the actual grill purchased and 
how much additional equipment is actually required.
John Blumel

20) From: Les
I paid $99.00 for my Charboil 30,000 BTU.  Plenty of heat!  Once I
have it warmed up, the roast profiles are between 1/4 and 1/2
throttle.  You don't need to start with the RK motor.  I have been
using the 6 RPM motor that came with Rotiss, this saved  $125.00.  To
be candid, I do have the upgrade motor on the way!  A couple of extras
you do need are welding gloves ($12.00)  a timer, and a K Probe
Thermometer, about $30.00.
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21) From: MMore
So can the SUPENTOWN also do a lb. at a time, or is that just the Stir  Crazy?
 
Thanks for all this great info, everyone!!!
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

22) From: MMore
So, last question on this strand -
 
Which is better?  Stir Crazy or Convection Oven type (SUPENTOWN)  roaster?  
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

23) From: Dennis Parham
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you actually buy both!  and the over part of the SUNPENTOWN lays on top =
of the bottom of the stircrazy....  look at this site...    http://www.bish.ws/coffee/TurboCrazy.htmlDennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:41 PM, MMore wrote:
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you actually buy both!  and the over part of the SUNPENTOWN lays on
top of the bottom of the stircrazy....  look at this site...   http://www.bish.ws/coffee/TurboCrazy.htmlDennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:41 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000So can the SUPENTOWN also do a lb.
at a time, or is that just the Stir Crazy?
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0000,8080,0000Thanks for all this great info,
everyone!!!
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24) From: Dennis Parham
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hehehe ...BOTH GO TOGETHER!!  hehehe
Dennis Parham
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hehehe ...BOTH GO TOGETHER!!  hehehe
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 8:55 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000So, last question on this strand =
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0000,8080,0000Which is better? Stir Crazy or
Convection Oven type (SUPENTOWN) roaster?
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0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
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25) From: MMore
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT!!!   <<<<<

26) From: Dennis Parham
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heheh you do not have to do anything... the bottom part is the bottom 
of a stir crazy... adn the oven part is the top of a SUNPENTOWN 
Convection oven..  just sit it on top of the stir crazy... after you 
throw in some beans... plug in...and go!  Ill take you some pics...
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:38 PM, MMore wrote:
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heheh you do not have to do anything... the bottom part is the bottom
of a stir crazy... adn the oven part is the top of a SUNPENTOWN
Convection oven..  just sit it on top of the stir crazy... after you
throw in some beans... plug in...and go!  Ill take you some pics...
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:38 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT!!!
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0000,8080,0000Does the Convection oven part just
sit on the stirrer part or do you need to make mods? I'm not too good
at mods :)
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000Just out of curiosity, can either
one of them be used by itself to roast?
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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27) From: Rick Farris
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Have you tried adding heat from the bottom (stove) at the same time you =
are
using the SunPenTown?
 
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From: Dennis Parham
the bottom part is the bottom of a stir crazy... adn the oven part is =
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top of a SUNPENTOWN Convection oven.. just sit it on top of the stir
crazy... 
 

28) From: Dennis Parham
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yes... but i think it is best at least in  ~80deg weather to not have 
heat from below...
Dennis Parham
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yes... but i think it is best at least in  ~80deg weather to not have
heat from below...
Dennis Parham 
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29) From: MMore
Dennis ~
 
If I could summarize :)  Sorry.
 
So, you put the top of the Convection oven on the base of a 6 qt. Stir  
crazy, right?  What supports the top?  The glass container of the  SUPENTOWN?  But 
isn't that a closed container?  I know these are a lot  of questions, but I 
just can't visualize this just yet.
 
Thanks for all your info...really!!
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

30) From: Dennis Parham
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On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:39 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000Dennis ~
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Sorry.
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000So, you put the top of the
Convection oven on the base of a 6 qt. Stir crazy, right? What
supports the top? The glass container of the SUPENTOWN? But isn't
that a closed container? I know these are a lot of questions, but I
just can't visualize this just yet.
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000Thanks for all your =
info...really!!
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000
0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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31) From: Dennis Parham
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oops...hit send to fast... here are some pics that should clear it up!http://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum19.htmlDennis Parham
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On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Dennis Parham wrote:
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:39 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,807F,0000Dennis ~
0000,807F,0000
0000,807F,0000If I could summarize :) =
Sorry.
0000,807F,0000
0000,807F,0000So, you put the top of the
Convection oven on the base of a 6 qt. Stir crazy, right? What
supports the top? The glass container of the SUPENTOWN? But isn't
that a closed container? I know these are a lot of questions, but I
just can't visualize this just yet.
0000,807F,0000
0000,807F,0000Thanks for all your =
info...really!!
0000,807F,0000
0000,807F,0000
0000,807F,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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32) From: MMore
In a message dated 10/4/2004 10:04:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
dparham_is writes:http://www.bish.ws/coffee/TurboCrazy.html


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