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Topic: Obituary for an Alpenrost (16 msgs / 917 lines)
1) From: David O. Desmarais
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Michael,
            I am on my third Alpenrost which I use regularly. My first one
died on startup with the fan not running. Unfortunately, not ever having
used one, I didn't realize it was dead so the cover melted "a little" before
my eleven year old daughter convinced me it should smell like that. I was
amazed the heater would activate without the fan running so I wrote to the
Consumer Product Safety Commission to ask if they had info on a history of
this problem. The gentleman who actually came to my house had never heard of
a "home coffee roaster", really no surprise, but was very interested in the
situation. 
            Let me say, I am not a "fan" of government intervention but the
CPSC is really not your "average" government agency. I have been a pilot for
over twenty five years and a basic tenet of safety in aviation is failure
analysis and tracking for statistically significant trends. Therefore, to
have a trend analysis sort of requires a start and that is what I had hoped
to provide. Since there are very few Alpenrosts, each failure is
significant. 
            My concern and point is an appliance such as this should not
keep heating if the fan that is required to provide "cooling" airflow fails.
It should have an airflow sensor that prevents the heater from actuating if
the fan isn't moving air at a rate that will keep your Alpenrost from
melting into your countertop: my opinion.
            The person at the CPSC whom I spoke with is Mr. Noel Jones:
njones , telephone 804 492 4156. He might be interested to hear
about your machine.
            Good luck with your replacement hunt.
David O. Desmarais

2) From: MMore
Very interesting.  I too had some "minor" melting due to the heat buildup.  
Did you contact Alpenroast about this problem?  And, if you did, what was their 
response?  On that note, does anyone happen to have a customer service number 
for Alpenroast?
Thanks, everyone for your great input.  
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

3) From: Rick Farris
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Because they use the same sort of fans to cool expensive computer =
equipment,
they are available in a 3-wire version that includes a sensor that =
detects
if the fan stops turning.  It would be very inexpensive to add fan =
detection
to the Alpenrost.  (Inexpensive for the manufacturer, I mean, not for an
owner.)
 
-- Rick
 
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Away - 1968  
From: David O. Desmarais
It should have an airflow sensor that prevents the heater from actuating =
if
the fan isn’t moving air at a rate that will keep your Alpenrost from
melting into your countertop: my opinion.
 
 
 

4) From: MMore
Thanks to the number provided by bk, I contacted Swissmar and they told me to 
send the unit in and they would fix it.  Send it in, my cost.  They pay to 
send back.  the total fix it cost will be around $80 including shipping.
Now the questions....is it worth it?  I think I'll probably go ahead and do 
it as I'm not in the position right now to purchase a hot top or an RK Drum.
Thanks, everyone, for your input
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

5) From: Dennis Parham
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how about SC/GG ??  I bought everything NEW for around 80  and I can 
roast up to 2lbs+  and no worry if it is peaberry or not... its turning =
out to be a GREAT setup! Even Tom is checking it out!
LOW technology...cheap replacement if necessary ...HI END INGENUITY !!http://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum18.htmlI cannot find that site that was sent of it working... but someone here =
has it!! Ill keep looking...
Dennis Parham
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how about SC/GG ??  I bought everything NEW for around 80  and I can
roast up to 2lbs+  and no worry if it is peaberry or not... its
turning out to be a GREAT setup! Even Tom is checking it out!
LOW technology...cheap replacement if necessary ...HI END INGENUITY !!http://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum18.htmlI cannot find that site that was sent of it working... but
someone here has it!! Ill keep looking...
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:48 AM, MMore wrote:
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Georgia0000,8080,0000Thanks
to the number provided by bk, I contacted Swissmar and they told me to
send the unit in and they would fix it.  Send it in, my cost.  They
pay to send back.  the total fix it cost will be around $80 including
shipping.
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Arial 
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Georgia0000,8080,0000Now
the questions....is it worth it?  I think I'll probably go ahead and
do it as I'm not in the position right now to purchase a hot top or an
RK Drum.
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Arial 
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Georgia0000,8080,0000Thanks,
everyone, for your input
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Arial 
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0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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6) From: Dennis Parham
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I think Ron put them up!  http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1C922169Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Dennis Parham wrote:
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I think Ron put them up!  http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1C922169Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Dennis Parham wrote:
how about SC/GG ??  I bought everything NEW for around 80 
and I can roast up to 2lbs+  and no worry if it is peaberry or not...
its turning out to be a GREAT setup! Even Tom is checking it out!
LOW technology...cheap replacement if necessary ...HI END INGENUITY !!http://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum18.htmlI cannot find that site that was sent of it working... but
someone here has it!! Ill keep looking...
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:48 AM, MMore wrote:
=
Georgia0000,807F,0000Thanks
to the number provided by bk, I contacted Swissmar and they told me to
send the unit in and they would fix it.  Send it in, my cost.  They
pay to send back.  the total fix it cost will be around $80 including
shipping.
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,807F,0000Now
the questions....is it worth it?  I think I'll probably go ahead and
do it as I'm not in the position right now to purchase a hot top or an
RK Drum.
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,807F,0000Thanks,
everyone, for your input
=
Arial 
=
Arial 
0000,807F,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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7) From: MMore
In a message dated 10/4/2004 12:59:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dparham_is writes:http://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum18.htmlWhat exactly is SG/GG?

8) From: Jeff Oien
Dennis Parham wrote:
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I've always wanted some of that heave glass. It's hard to find.
Jeff

9) From: Dennis Parham
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a stir crazy pop corn popper and a Galloping gourmet style 500deg  
convection oven.....
Dennis Parham
Hi all - I was adding info about TurboCrazy roasting to the web site  
and Dennis sent me this with a link to a convection oven source. Since  
I really don't want to start stocking convection ovens (!) and this  
sounds like a great deal, thought I should send this on to the list-
Tom
 From Dennis:
Tom, I found and ordered a  new SUNPENTOWN  (GG style cooker) brand new  
WITH warrantee and wanted to let anyone who wants to homeroast larger  
batches than the machines you have for sale, can get it NEW for same  
price many are going for used on ebay.. here is the site.. or maybe you  
can work a deal with them and carry them hu??  I only paid 53.00 + 9$  
chipping...
I didnt want to post it in case there was a conflict in your eyes.. but  
this is VERY cheap and NEW (well for a new one)
its limit 5 for customer anyway...http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?
linkid=&submit=search&item–-100-203
I also went ahead and bought a new Stir Crazy... Now I can burn ( no  
pun intended..lol) through my beans faster!! and have to order more  
often!! lol what comes around , goes around! hehe
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:04 PM, MMore wrote:
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a stir crazy pop corn popper and a Galloping gourmet style 500deg
convection oven..... 
Dennis Parham 
Hi all - I was adding info about TurboCrazy roasting to the web site
and Dennis sent me this with a link to a convection oven source. Since
I really don't want to start stocking convection ovens (!) and this
sounds like a great deal, thought I should send this on to the list-
Tom
From Dennis:
Tom, I found and ordered a  new SUNPENTOWN  (GG style cooker) brand
new WITH warrantee and wanted to let anyone who wants to homeroast
larger batches than the machines you have for sale, can get it NEW for
same price many are going for used on ebay.. here is the site.. or
maybe you can work a deal with them and carry them hu??  I only paid
53.00 + 9$ chipping...
I didnt want to post it in case there was a conflict in your eyes..
but this is VERY cheap and NEW (well for a new one)
its limit 5 for customer anyway...http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?linkid=&submit=search&item–-100-203I also went ahead and bought a new Stir Crazy... Now I can burn ( no
pun intended..lol) through my beans faster!! and have to order more
often!! lol what comes around , goes around! hehe
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:04 PM, MMore wrote:
ArialIn a message
dated 10/4/2004 12:59:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, dparham_is
writes:
Ariahttp://homepage.mac.com/dparham_is/PhotoAlbum18.htmlGeorgia0000,8080,0000What
exactly is SG/GG?
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10) From: Peter Schmidt
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Mike....  I must concur w/ Dennis!  If you don't need the capacity of =
the RK/BBQ set-up, the SC/GG is truly worth your consideration.  It's =
just about bullet-proof, idiot-proof (works for me) and repeatable.  =
Should one unit or the other wear out, a small investment gets you up =
and running with NEW items.
  
But I would suggest some back-tracing on Dennis' last message.  That =
couldn't have been Dennis; I didn't see any of his "hehehe".   =
hehehe.....
Going Stir Crazy in Milwaukee...
peter schmidt

11) From: MMore
In a message dated 10/4/2004 1:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dparham_is writes:
Are there any "issues" with using one of the Convection style cookers vs. a 
Poppery, alpenroast, etc....?  Do the beans agitate sufficiently, can you hear 
cracks.  Also, any modifications needed?  I'm not really a "modification" type 
of guy.  More plug and play; but this sounds pretty tempting vs. 70 dollars 
or so to get my Alp fixed.
Thanks,
Tom, I found and ordered a  new SUNPENTOWN  (GG style cooker) brand new  
WITH warrantee and wanted to let anyone who wants to homeroast larger  
batches than the machines you have for sale, can get it NEW for same  
price many are going for used on ebay.. here is the site.. or maybe you  
can work a deal with them and carry them hu??  I only paid 53.00 + 9$  
chipping...
I didnt want to post it in case there was a conflict in your eyes.. but  
this is VERY cheap and NEW (well for a new one)
its limit 5 for customer anyway...http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?
linkid=&submit=search&item–-100-203
I also went ahead and bought a new Stir Crazy... Now I can burn ( no  
pun intended..lol) through my beans faster!! and have to order more  
often!! lol what comes around , goes around! hehe
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

12) From: Dennis Parham
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It is almost foolproof!! and VERY quiet! you even have to check to make =
sure the top is even running!!  hehehe  you hear EVERYTHING going on 
with the beans! and can see too!!  the agitation is great with the 
spinning arm...and some even modify this....for even better 
agitation.... the one thing I think is a good idea is cut the 
power-supply to the heating element in the bottom stir crazy...easy 
job..you can even add a switch! it works with the heater, but you can 
slow the roast allot without it!!  making full body SMOOTH espresso!!!! =
   poppers hold in allot of BITE..but still good...to be honest..the 
popper is allot harder to master... hearing is a major part..and for 
me... I listen adn look and smell more than time.... time is only to 
make sure something isnt going wrong and repeating exact roasts...
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:30 PM, MMore wrote:
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It is almost foolproof!! and VERY quiet! you even have to check to
make sure the top is even running!!  hehehe  you hear EVERYTHING going
on with the beans! and can see too!!  the agitation is great with the
spinning arm...and some even modify this....for even better
agitation.... the one thing I think is a good idea is cut the
power-supply to the heating element in the bottom stir crazy...easy
job..you can even add a switch! it works with the heater, but you can
slow the roast allot without it!!  making full body SMOOTH
espresso!!!!   poppers hold in allot of BITE..but still good...to be
honest..the popper is allot harder to master... hearing is a major
part..and for me... I listen adn look and smell more than time....
time is only to make sure something isnt going wrong and repeating
exact roasts...
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:30 PM, MMore wrote:
ArialIn a message
dated 10/4/2004 1:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, dparham_is
writes:
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,8080,0000Are
there any "issues" with using one of the Convection style cookers vs.
a Poppery, alpenroast, etc....?  Do the beans agitate sufficiently,
can you hear cracks.  Also, any modifications needed?  I'm not =
really
a "modification" type of guy.  More plug and play; but this sounds
pretty tempting vs. 70 dollars or so to get my Alp =
fixed.
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,8080,0000Thanks,
=
Arial 
ArialTom, I found and
ordered a  new SUNPENTOWN  (GG style cooker) brand =
new 
Arial WITH warrantee and
wanted to let anyone who wants to homeroast =
larger 
Arial batches than the
machines you have for sale, can get it NEW for =
same 
Arial price many are going
for used on ebay.. here is the site.. or maybe =
you 
Arial can work a deal with
them and carry them hu??  I only paid 53.00 + =
9$ 
Arial =
chipping...
ArialI didnt want to post
it in case there was a conflict in your eyes.. =
but 
Arial this is VERY cheap
and NEW (well for a new one)
Arialits limit 5 for
customer anyway...
=
Ariahttp://www.chiefvalue.com/=app/productspec.asp?
Arial
linkid=&submit=search&item=96-100-203=
ArialI also went ahead and
bought a new Stir Crazy... Now I can burn ( =
no 
Arial pun intended..lol)
through my beans faster!! and have to order =
more 
Arial often!! lol what
comes around , goes around! hehe
=
Arial 
=
Arial 
0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
=
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13) From: Dennis Parham
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BUY NEW!!   becasue... SEE WHAT I MEAN??    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4325477876   people payin WAY TOO MUCH FOR OLD or (OLD NEW) USED STUFF!! this  
setup is HOT NOW!!!
This comes with WARRANTEE EVEN!!   http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?
linkid=&submit=search&item=96-100-203
  i bought my brand new Stir Crazy from amazon.com searching ...29.00 +  =
5 or 8$ shipping I think...cheap!
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Dennis Parham wrote:
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BUY NEW!!   becasue... SEE WHAT I MEAN??  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4325477876  people payin WAY TOO MUCH FOR OLD or (OLD NEW) USED STUFF!! this
setup is HOT NOW!!!  
This comes with WARRANTEE EVEN!! 
=http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?linkid=&submit=search&it=em=96-100-203
 i bought my brand new Stir Crazy from amazon.com searching ...29.00 +
5 or 8$ shipping I think...cheap!
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Dennis Parham wrote:
It is almost foolproof!! and VERY quiet! you even have to
check to make sure the top is even running!!  hehehe  you hear
EVERYTHING going on with the beans! and can see too!!  the agitation
is great with the spinning arm...and some even modify this....for even
better agitation.... the one thing I think is a good idea is cut the
power-supply to the heating element in the bottom stir crazy...easy
job..you can even add a switch! it works with the heater, but you can
slow the roast allot without it!!  making full body SMOOTH
espresso!!!!   poppers hold in allot of BITE..but still good...to be
honest..the popper is allot harder to master... hearing is a major
part..and for me... I listen adn look and smell more than time....
time is only to make sure something isnt going wrong and repeating
exact roasts...
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 12:30 PM, MMore wrote:
ArialIn a message
dated 10/4/2004 1:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, dparham_is
writes:
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,807F,0000Are
there any "issues" with using one of the Convection style cookers vs.
a Poppery, alpenroast, etc....?  Do the beans agitate sufficiently,
can you hear cracks.  Also, any modifications needed?  I'm not =
really
a "modification" type of guy.  More plug and play; but this sounds
pretty tempting vs. 70 dollars or so to get my Alp =
fixed.
=
Arial 
=
Georgia0000,807F,0000Thanks,
=
Arial 
ArialTom, I found and
ordered a  new SUNPENTOWN  (GG style cooker) brand =
new 
Arial WITH warrantee and
wanted to let anyone who wants to homeroast =
larger 
Arial batches than the
machines you have for sale, can get it NEW for =
same 
Arial price many are going
for used on ebay.. here is the site.. or maybe =
you 
Arial can work a deal with
them and carry them hu??  I only paid 53.00 + =
9$ 
Arial =
chipping...
ArialI didnt want to post
it in case there was a conflict in your eyes.. =
but 
Arial this is VERY cheap
and NEW (well for a new one)
Arialits limit 5 for
customer anyway...
=
Ariahttp://www.chiefvalue.com/=app/productspec.asp?
Arial
linkid=&submit=search&item=96-100-203=
ArialI also went ahead and
bought a new Stir Crazy... Now I can burn ( =
no 
Arial pun intended..lol)
through my beans faster!! and have to order =
more 
Arial often!! lol what
comes around , goes around! hehe
=
Arial 
=
Arial 
0000,807F,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
=
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14) From: Rick Farris
There is a selection of them here:http://www.circuitspecialists.com/level.itml/icOid/7384You'll need to know the dimensions of the old fan -- typically they come
60mm, 80mm, 92mm and 120mm in diameter and 25mm (1") in thickness.  Also =
the
voltage the fan runs on.  It is probably marked on the old fan.
But be advised that the flow sensor is just that -- a sensor.  Without
circuitry on the Alpenrost circuit board it will be useless.
BTW, Circuit Specialists is a good place to buy variacs, too.  $100 and =
they
give you a free digital multimeter for monitoring the voltage.
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Wind Variable at 3 mph (11:28:18)
ICBM: N31° 34.015' W110° 14.717'
Now Playing: Steppenwolf - Your Wall's Too High - 1968

15) From: MMore
So this SUPENTOWN has the spinning arm?
 
I hate talking about this on Tom's site.  But I'm getting desperate  and I 
don't have the $$$$'s for any of the top end roasters right now.
 
Thanks,
 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna,  Va.

16) From: Dennis Parham
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Tom is kewl about it! he too is interested in the concept! and no...  
the stir crazy bottom has the spinning arm... the sunpentown has the  
convection oven...  http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?
linkid=&submit=search&item=96-100-203
Dennis Parham
On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:50 PM, MMore wrote:
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Tom is kewl about it! he too is interested in the concept! and no...
the stir crazy bottom has the spinning arm... the sunpentown has the
convection oven...
=http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productspec.asp?linkid=&submit=search&it=em=96-100-203
Dennis Parham 
On Oct 4, 2004, at 1:50 PM, MMore wrote:
0000,8080,0000So this SUPENTOWN has the spinning
arm?
0000,8080,0000 
0000,8080,0000I hate talking about this on Tom's
site.  But I'm getting desperate and I don't have the $$$$'s for any
of the top end roasters right now.
0000,8080,0000 
0000,8080,0000Thanks,
0000,8080,0000 
0000,8080,0000 
0000,8080,0000Michael A. Roaster of
Vienna, Va.
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