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Topic: A New Tradition (20 msgs / 418 lines)
1) From: George Holt
I would like to offer up a New Turkish Mill. Anyone interested in this
New Tradition. E-mail of list I will pick the winner on Wednesday.
I'll also through in some of Wednesdays Home Roast. Not sure what I'll
be roasting,
Living Large In Waxhaw, NC.
George Holt

2) From: Larry Dorman
Okay, I confess... I'm ignorant...
What is a Turkish Mill?  (Did I also mention I'm lazy and don't want
to look it up?)
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:06:52 -0400, George Holt  wrote:

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Since you admittedly are too lazy to look it up I'll tell you. It's a
device, often used around Thanksgiving, for grinding Turkey (s!). Now you
can believe that or go to someplace like, oh let's say SM website, to verify
the veracity of my statement...
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer etc.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm

4) From: Gary Townsend
miKe, that was sorta mean, you could have explained how to use a
google search, that would have helped the guy out. :)
ROTFLMAO (how I really feel about it)
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:40:04 -0700, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:

5) From: miKe mcKoffee
Well Great Googly Moogly he could of Googled! And all I did was point him
directly to a known source for the information, SM website. Then again, he
didn't say he couldn't or didn't know how but was too lazy to look it up. In
truth I'm a firm believer in there's no stupid question, yet I've also a low
tolerance for laziness, especially when I've been steam cleaning our carpets
for 6 hours!
Now off to pull a couple 5+5 Americanos after a dinner of 15hr
apple/maple/hickory smoked PB samiches slathered in my homemade Kansas City
meets Carolina with a Jamaican twist Q sauce & side of slaw Debi made...
Will it be Puerto Rican Yauco Selecto, Panama Mama Cata, Pearlman Estate
Kona or Sumatra Classic 4365... decisions decisions!:-)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer etc.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm

6) From: Larry Dorman
Very true... I've been 'online' since well before the internet became
commonly available to the masses and can probably Google better than
most.  All I'd say there is - what's your point?
I'll see your six hours of carpet cleaning and raise it with being up
until 5:30 in the morning working, taking a 3 hour nap, and then
working again until I posted my lazy question.  I'll afford you a lazy
answer to a lazy question, but being an obnoxious smart-ass about it
really wasn't desired or appropriate.
Now that we have the unpleasantries out of the way, can we actually
put this thread back on topic?  Why would one choose or not choose to
use a Turkish mill and why would one choose to give a new one away? 
How long does it take to grind enough coffee with one of these
critters to make a full pot of drip - if it can even be used for that?

7) From: AlChemist John
Whoa, no dice there.  I am up a 5:00 am EVERY morning working with no 
naps.  And where it was probably not desired by you, I did not find it 
inappropriate.  Just my $0.02.  I did chuckle though.
Sometime around 06:50 AM 10/10/2004, Larry Dorman typed:
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

8) From: Larry Dorman
I think you may have misread... I didn't say I got up at 5:30...  I
said that I didn't go to bed until AFTER you got up in the morning... 
after working a full day.  Does that make me super-human or special? 
Hardly... it did make me very tired and at the time (justifiably) lazy
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:02:27 -0700, AlChemist John  wrote:

9) From: John Blumel
On Oct 10, 2004, at 11:02am, AlChemist John wrote:
Well, you know, everyone who asks a question on the list is being 
'lazy'. Pretty much anything that's ever been discussed on the list 
involves a topic that, if the person asking the question looked long 
and hard enough, the answer could be found somewhere else. In fact, 
that's one of the primary functions of the list -- to provide a forum 
that people can use to get quick, informed, meaningful answers to their 
coffee related questions.
So what's the point of giving an 'answer' that amounts to, 'I know the 
answer to your question but I'm not going to tell you'? If you don't 
want to answer people's questions, you don't have to reply to them. At 
least Larry was being candid about being lazy, which is more than you 
can say for most of us.
Sorry Larry, but I don't have any experience with Turkish mills. 
Hopefully, someone who does can answer your followup question:
On Oct 10, 2004, at 9:50am, Larry Dorman wrote:
John Blumel

10) From: miKe mcKoffee
I wasn't going to reply but since you've dubbed me an obnoxious smart-ass
what the heck. Many on the List have been "online" since before the Internet
was available to the masses or even before it was invented, myself included.
What was my point? (Which referenced point BTW was not made in reply to your
original query but in reply to another's reply.) My point was that I
provided specific reference to obtain desired information, which was "what
is a Turkish Mill".
Long hours? Lots of people do it. My longest recalled work session was 54hrs
straight without even a meal break, ate while working, been there done that.
BTW, there's a difference between "lazy" and "tired from long hours of
work". Your original post said lazy not tired or exhausted.
How magnanimous "affording" me a lazy answer to your lazy question. Yet in
reality me thinks my original reply was not a lazy answer. Would have been
quicker to give it straight rather than a humorous (many others thought it
so:-) albeit sarcastic fictitious answer followed by referenced website to
obtain accurate information. Yeah, it took more time and effort for that. If
as you say you've been online so long and don't have a sense of humor it's a
wonder you survive... yet being overly tired does dull ones senses.
To answer your new queries first it's not known the brand or quality of the
Turkish Mill being given away. Even if it is a high quality Zass Turkish
Mill (which I happen to own) I can't answer the question of why it's being
given away. The Zass Turk' takes quite a bit longer to grind than the other
Zass models, burrs are smaller. It does well for fine grinds but when
grinding coarse tends to be rather uneven. I got mine specifically for
traveling with Press Pot and find it marginally acceptable. I would highly
suspect the one being given away would be rather tedious and time consuming
to use for daily drip. If you're looking for a manual grind solution get a
169 or other Zass, which I'm planning to now get for travel and power out
emergencies. I'll then relegate my Zass Turk' to another pepper grinder
which it'll excel at.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer etc.http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm

11) From: Gary Townsend
Wow, this thread got heated up a little bit. I think that a little
sarcasm is OK, heck, I do it all the time without even being aware of
it. I posted a smart-*ss remark, all in good fun. I really thought
miKe's reply was funny, at the time. Still do. Larry, c-mon, like
you've never un-intentionally ribbed any one the wrong way, before? As
far as the research goes, I know you were just asking for a little
'expert' advice, so did miKe, and let's just leave it at that. I'm on
gmail, on the right column, there are all kinds of 'helpfull' ads on
every topic. I'd post a random sample, however, Tom sells turkish
grinders, so I'd rather not violate list rules. And I respect Tom &
Maria too much to 'hurt' thier lively-hood in the wallet. So, check
out the main page, and you'll get a crash course in turkish coffee &
grinders & that's why Tom does it, for us!
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:10:23 -0700, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:

12) From: Gary White
With Thanksgiving right around the corner, I think it would be appropriate
to post some recipes using ground turkey.  Just to keep things on topic,
posters might want to specify which coffee(s) would go well with (or in)
each recipe.
P.S.  Do you grind the turkey before or after cooking?

13) From: Simpson
Good lord, you would think you had asked something off topic like Zappa
music or German cars or or or. Sheesh.
A Turkish mill is a small, hand cranked coffee grinder that is usually
cylindrical, often decorated metal on the outside such as copper or brass.
It grinds slowly but exceedingly fine. The purpose is to grind for
'middle-eastern' coffee where the coffee is actually heated in the water,
frequently with sugar and spices such as cardamom. Tom and Maria sell the
zass version of this and here it is:http://sweetmarias.com/prod.zas.shtml#greek.millsScroll down about half way. They were designed to be compact and portable
in a fashion suitable for a nomadic culture. It is a lovely offer by
Your question was reasonable. Folks seem to forget that there are questions
asked to gather data, and there are questions asked to help connect with
others when they answer it. I think this one was both.
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On 10/9/2004 at 9:32 PM Larry Dorman wrote:
unsvbscribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettingsBefore you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll
be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes. (Jack Handey, Deep

14) From: Larry Dorman
Thank you... couldn't have asked or hoped for a better answer...  I
also agree that it's a very nice and generous tradition offer...
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:58:21 -0400, Simpson  wrote:

15) From: Larry Dorman
I just looked at the Zass Turkish Mill on the SM site... sounds interesting...
Do I dare ask what the difference is between a Turkish Mill and a
Greek Mill?  All I could see obviously was the size and that one had
machined burrs where the other was cast...

16) From: Michael Wascher
At the risk of offending the Greeks & Turks on the list ... Greek &
Turkish food, including coffee, are very similar. So the coffee mills
are quite similar too.
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:47:39 -0500, Larry Dorman  wrote:
"Insanity -- a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world."
  -- R. D. Lang

17) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
     That is like saying sisters are very much the same.  Compared to 
all the other women in the world you might say that but to them and 
their lovers, you get the idea.
      Jim Gundlach
On Oct 11, 2004, at 6:49 AM, Michael Wascher wrote:

18) From: AlChemist John
You're right, I mis-read.  BTW, I don't think you were lazy, just tired...
Sometime around 09:08 AM 10/10/2004, Larry Dorman typed:
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

19) From: Michael Wascher
Sisters that are always fighting with one another?  ;)
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:23:10 -0500, Pecan Jim Gundlach
"Insanity -- a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world."
  -- R. D. Lang

20) From: Larry Dorman
I was most definitely tired... not so sure that precludes me from
being lazy though... ;)
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:42:21 -0700, AlChemist John  wrote:

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