All, I have been lurking and reading the list with much pleasure for the last few days, MiKe McKoffee's recent job-related trials and tribulations notwithstanding. As a 25 yr member of the Petroleum E&P community here in the Houston area, I know how difficult those situations can be. I also know that they most often result in unexpected personal growth and happiness. Regarding coffee, the tie that binds all on this list, I cannot properly say how happy I am to have discovered Sweet Maria's, their wonderful offerings of green coffees, and even my new puny little Fresh Roast 8+! I'm sure you happy roasting veterans and owners of RK's, HotTops and modded FrankenRoasters will be smiling a bit, but for someone who has been wandering in the Folgers wasteland for lo these many years, I couldn't be happier (for the time being :-) A few humble and subjective thoughts to close. The sampler pack sent by Tom and Maria was excellent, with a wide range of styles and origins. Our personal favorite so far... Colombian Popayan Supremo - Caucano: suberb balance of brightness and finish, both from the hot cup and cooling. Least favorite, I'd have to say is the Sumatra Mandheling Lot 6854... a bit too heavy for our palates. Best thing about the Fresh Roast 8+ is short roast times. Worst thing about it... very small capacity and short roast times. Yeah I know, he told me so! Best thing about SM's... the quality of the coffees and the mailing list. I've yet to read an unkind post. The worst thing? I've got nothing! Cheers to all & Go Astros! Mike
EGAD! Y'all had me worried for a few minutes that my well intentioned newbi= e comments were going to reignite the Kopi Luwak flame war that I intuited = from earlier responses. I'm so glad that the heat seems to have cooled back= below the spontaneous exothermic (or is it endothermic ;-) point. Well in= to the inert humor range. Seriously, thanks to all who read, wrote and welcomed me into the SM commun= ity and mailing list group. I hope to contribute to, question and maybe eve= n challenge the group well and intelligently in the future, as I learn more= about this intrigueing and oh so enjoyable habit - err, I mean hobby. Best regards to all and Go Astros! (Apologies to S.L. folk) Mike Womer
Hmmm, Now I'm really beginning to sniff a bit of a pattern here regarding this my= thical Kopi Luwak stuff. Brent makes reference to the stink of the outhouse= , and I darn near bit on an earlier posting that mentioned civetting. But t= hen I re-read the post and saw reference to civets and then dung! And I was= nearly going to post and ask how one civets their coffee, and what does it= do to the profile. Tougher group than I thought at first blush, but also more fun, IMHO. Mike W. still recovering from extended caffeine buzz, but beginning to catch on
Well, I'm going to consider it possible but not proven. I googled Kopi Luwak this a.m. and got 2,860 hits or so. Found the University of Guelph study and some other reputable looking discussions. I just find it a tad hard to believe that people would salvage coffee beans from cat scat in the first place and make a beverage from it in the second. I guess I'd have to see the whole process from beginning to ahem, end. I think I'll stick with the wonderful selection from SMs. There's plenty lots to explore and learn. Mike
On Oct 18, 2004, at 8:57 PM, Mike Womer wrote: <Snip> Mike, The sampler gives you a range of coffees to try and to see which ones you like. I recommend that you make a copy of the profiles of the coffees in your sampler and not how you liked and disliked each. Then as future coffees come available, order ones with a profile similar to the ones you liked in the sampler. The coffees you liked in the sampler will not be available forever. You will need to learn how to read Tom's reviews to see what you like. It is not just a high number that tells you what to buy. You may well find that some of Sweet Marias' least expensive coffees are what you like best. Jim Gundlach
Mike, welcome to the list and all the wisdom and commeraderie that come with it! if you haven't already consumed all your coffee from the sampler, consider blending the Sumatran with another bean or two for some "Womer's Blend". let us know what you come up with. peter schmidt
welcome Mike, the journey is a exciting one. I started with a FR+ and a sampler, the rest is history. Enjoy the Journey. RK
Mike - I am also an oil-patch employee of many years and lived in Houston for almost 30 years until a transfer to Snyder, TX last year. I still get back to Houston a few times a year for meetings and such at the home office. and.... ======>> GO 'STROS! (Hey, that ISN"T really so off-topic - after last night's two games we all need extra coffee today! Haven't the two current series of games been amazing to watch?) I am also a newcomer to this list, and have found it a very high-quality list filled with caring, helpful folks. Like you, I am so glad I found Sweet Maria's and this list. My wife and I had gravitated to some flavored coffee blends while in Houston, because the canned stuff just seemed bitter. Since I have started roasting our own with high-quality beans from SM, we no longer need to add flavorings to the coffee. Man, that stuff is s-m-o-o-t-h! Safe Journeys and Sweet Music, Justin Marquez Snyder, TX On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:57:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Mike Womer wrote: <Snip> --
Welcome Mike! As a 20 year veteran to homeroasting, let me tell you there is always a learning curve. Sweet Marias will always get you good quality greens to start with. Right now the list is in a good space, but the flames can rise! Dare I mention exothermic vs endothermic? Les On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:20:39 -0500, Justin Marquez wrote: <Snip>
...Does anyone recall whether the Kopi Luwak exists,a nd who is qualified to prove it? (and by whose definition of the word "exist") This list is a great place to be! Regarding the 8 pack sampler, I found myself too new to really rpofile well, so I made notes on the bags themselves, rating A, B, C - like in school. And if i noticed anything particular, I wrote that down too. I have a couple A's and A+'es, and a C as well. I wrote "muddy" on the Sumatra... I intend to purchase more of what I like, and someday develop a better nose. I also like the Colombian best. I picked up a large bag of Colombian Popayan to roast ½lb bags for friends and family, since they don't seem to note the differences from one bean to another. Then my wife & I work our way through the other parts of my stash.... Regards all, Brett Mason On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:07:16 -0700, Les wrote: <Snip> wrote: <Snip> ast few days, MiKe McKoffee's recent job-related trials and tribulations no= twithstanding. As a 25 yr member of the Petroleum E&P community here in the= Houston area, I know how difficult those situations can be. I also know th= at they most often result in unexpected personal growth and happiness. <Snip> rly say how happy I am to have discovered Sweet Maria's, their wonderful of= ferings of green coffees, and even my new puny little Fresh Roast 8+! I'm s= ure you happy roasting veterans and owners of RK's, HotTops and modded Fran= kenRoasters will be smiling a bit, but for someone who has been wandering i= n the Folgers wasteland for lo these many years, I couldn't be happier (for= the time being :-) <Snip> by Tom and Maria was excellent, with a wide range of styles and origins. Ou= r personal favorite so far... Colombian Popayan Supremo - Caucano: suberb b= alance of brightness and finish, both from the hot cup and cooling. Least f= avorite, I'd have to say is the Sumatra Mandheling Lot 6854... a bit too he= avy for our palates. Best thing about the Fresh Roast 8+ is short roast tim= es. Worst thing about it... very small capacity and short roast times. Yeah= I know, he told me so! Best thing about SM's... the quality of the coffees= and the mailing list. I've yet to read an unkind post. The worst thing? I'= ve got nothing! <Snip> scribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
At 9:45 AM -0700 10/19/04, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> Funny that you should ask as I just posted a brief comment about this the other day (there was a huge controversy about the topic a couple of months ago). I would say that there is evidence that: 1) there is such a think as kopi luwak (and it appears to be robusta), 2) much of what is sold as kopi luwak probably isn't, 3) the people that have had kopi luwak from sources they trust do not seem to have been terribly impressed by it. A canadian food scientist has recently published a paper on the subject of the chemical changes that green coffee undergoes while passing through a civet. He compared sumatran kopi luwak with green coffee from the same region. He also travelled to Ethiopia and acquired green coffee which he fed to civets. He compared uncivetted and civetted coffee by electron microscope and colorimeter and did other tests. The differences between the uncivetted and civetted coffee where he actually witnessed the harvesting of the bean from the dung was in most respects the same as what was observed in the citetted and uncivetted sumatran coffee (whose dung harvest he did not witness). I would say that it seems like there is such a thing and that it doesn't sound like the folks I have been in contact with who tried it were all that impressed. Just my .02, --Edward
I agree with most of the points below. I met Massimo F. Marcone, the Canadian researcher who did the work on kopi luwak at the Ig Nobel awards in Boston a couple of weeks ago. My impression of him is that he is a serious researcher who is interested in coffee as a business and industry. I do not see any signs that he is a connoisseur. He is interested in developing a test to certify genuine kopi luwak to protect the kopi market from the fraud that follows the outrageous price. Jim Gundlach On Oct 19, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Edward Spiegel wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> God knows, I appreciate those dedicated souls who advance the frontiers of knowledge...but...'protecting the kopi market? Certified Kopi Luwak? Now I've got to figure out a way *not* to think about this over coffee...so I won't blow any of the fruits of my careful roasting out my nose. It's possible that I'm just very, very tired...but I can't say the words Certified Kopi Luwak in my head without snorting. If you were the Kopi Luwak Certification Inspector, would you want to wear a badge?...or no? Okay...I'm pretty sure I *am* really, really tired. I'm getting flashes of Joe Friday and Dragnet... I just hope we get to find out what happens to those despicable Kopi Fakers at the end of the program. Gene Smith who knows he should have restrained himself, and promises to be thoroughly ashamed... as soon as he can stop giggling, in Houston.
I'm sure he remembers the topic...hehe... Nice one Brett. I about choked on my Mongrel Blend. <Snip>
Lends a whole new meaning to the phrase: We don't need no stinking batches! -- Rick ---- Cloudy in San Diego, CA 68°F (20°C) - 88% RH Wind From the South at 13 mph (17:33:58) ICBM: N31° 34.015' W110° 14.717' Now Playing: Deep Purple - Highway Star - 1993
Well, it's always helpftul to take an irritant and turned it to a = postive. Now, whenever surprised, injured, frustrated, I just say/shout/exclaim = "kopi luwak". Very handy around children and co-workers. For example, after brewing some Maxwell House in the new moka pot to = season it, I just had to say "Holy kopi luwak! What is that stink?" When a co-worker asked what it meant, I just said it's a German phrase meaning "the stink of the outhouse". Brent Roastin' in a PII for a drip brew <Snip>
<Snip> You could tell them it's the only coffee shot from cats...sort of like Quaker Puffed Wheat, only different. Gene Smith who has got to leave this alone
Smart aleck alert!! Oh my kopi luwak! Quakers shoot puffed wheat? There's one more thing to eliminate from the diet. :) Brent Roastin' in a PII for a drip brew <Snip>
we think it's time to put yourself to bed, Gene. you know that flat piece of furniture in the bedroom with the pillows and blankets, yeah that one. that's a bed. only coffee shot from cats. that's gotta be the best line i've heard in a long time!! peter schmidt <Snip> unsvbscribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
Awww crap (pun intended). Now I have to wipe coffee off my monitor again Chuck the Coffee-Geek I lose more monitors this way... <Snip>
I'm wondering of the good Dotore can replicate/synthesize the "juices" which affect the coffee as it sails merrily though the digestive track of the civets? That would be a worthwhile venture, instead of wanting to protect a market that produces 600 lbs of coffee a year. Then we could truly say, "Kopi for all!" A.
<Snip> I thought that was what those instant coffee machines already did, Angelo. Their output certainly seems to be replicating something's digestive tract. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
<Snip> But they do it very thoughtfully and peacefully, Brent... Gene Smith hoping he hasn't finally drifted low enough to be offending Quakers
I suspect it would taste like... well, you know... Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.comOn Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:11:21 -0700, Edward Spiegel wrote: <Snip> --
Digestive tract foods of any type are gross. My personal opinion. ********************* Ed Needham "to absurdity and beyond!" ed at homeroaster dot com (include [FRIEND] somewhere in the subject line of any email correspondence) *********************
I am wondering if Ted Nugent would re-record a variant song: Cat Scat Fever.... On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:59:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Mike Womer wrote: <Snip>
Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> Yes, but they are organically processed! <Snip> -- Ben Treichel Program Manager S.E Michigan SwRI 248-232-7365 (o) 248-935-6845 (m)
Come on Ed... Surely you can appreciate Menudo? How about all the other tasty bits? You can never really appreciate good Barbacoa untill it bobs up and takes a look at you while it's cooking!
Funny, I eat raw seafood and even oysters (innards and all I guess) all the time, but digestive innards freak me out. Heck, I even chew a raw coffee bean once in a while. ******************************* Ed Needham "To absurdity and beyond!" ed at homeroaster dot com *******************************
Yes, but Organic Coffee doesn't always mean better coffee... Chuck the Coffee-Geek (especially in this case. eeewwww.)