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Topic: Bodum Antigua grinder (26 msgs / 844 lines)
1) From: Fulton Martin
 
I just today got one of these from Costco (online). I haven't used it 
yet (I got it for the coffee mess I run at work), but the burr set 
looks identical to the one in the Solis I got from Tom
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2) From: Hammonds, Derek
I also have a new Bodum Antigua grinder at home.  It produces a very nice
espresso grind and has a huge hopper.  Static is definitely a problem but
that's true for just about all the grinders I've seen.  Bad points?  Well,
the plastic is rather cheap, including the hopper, and I'm not sure it will
hold up to heavy use.  I imagine I'll have to be gentle with it to keep it
operational.  Just my 2-cents...
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3) From: cthomas
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Fulton,
Looks like I got mine from Cosco just a day before you did.  The little rod
on the side through me for a while, but the nice lady at Bodum Corporate
told me it was th hang the measuring spoon on.  Duh!
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grinders I've seen.  <<
Derek,
I've run four grinds on mine so far.  I have not noticed any static cling
in the grounds cup.  That was becoming an increasding problem in my old
grinder (in addition to the loss of the burr surfaces).  The grounds were,
in fact, eroding the plastic opposite where they were ejected from the
grinder and I suspect that that erosion was responsible for the static
buildup as well.  Given the geometry of the Bodum, I don't expect that to
be a problem, but we'll see.
My only problem with the Bodum so far is that it's drip grind setting
produces a much finer grind than my old grinder, so I'll have to
recalibrate how much grounds I use.  I'm also trying the "new and improved"
Melita filters with the "FLAVOR PORES".  They are the only ones available
in the supermarkets around here in a No. 4 cone. although Mr. Coffee No. 4
cones also show up occasionally.  Since I've done the grinding so far for
my morning coffee, I can't comment on grind uniformity.  Can't see that
well without the coffee.  Soon as I can do an afternoon grind. I'll paw
through it to see how well they do.  Don't have a screen set to be
quantitative, though.
Cheers,
Carl T.
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4) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: cthomas 
Subject: +Re: Bodum Antigua grinder
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:24:33 -0400
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I tried that paper filter and I didn't like the result at all.  It was
very difficult to make clean and rich cup without unpleasant flavor.
I am working on my new Yama vacuum. It's much better than that thin
tight paper with holes from Melita but I don't think I obtained the
best result out of it so far. The water coming up is about 90C. It is
very likely that the best of Yama is reached when full capacity (20
oz) is brewed at a time.
Hario drip brewer is my best favorite method for 1 or 2 persons right
now. I didn't need to experiment much to get the cup I liked, and it
makes predictable responses when I change grinding, water temperature,
and extraction time. (filter is big and strong enough to stick in a
small dial thermometer, where it would sometimes break wet paper filter)
A bit demanding in filter maintenance but I think it's worth trying.
The Hario's flannel filter is made of real flannel (at least to my
eyes - it's thick cotton cloth with one side thickly napped), not like
the one that comes with Yama. Yama vacuum leaves significantly more
sediment than Hario's drip filter. (But this Hario flannel filter
leaves much less sediment than that Melita paper or many other paper
filters I tried. Yet it lets water flow faster than paper filters - I
have more control on the extraction time, whereas paper filters are
usually slower than I want and thus leaves me no freedom. Note: I
didn't try Chemex.)
All of above is to my personal preference of heavy body, only slightly
acidy cups.
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Ryuji Suzuki
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5) From: Hammonds, Derek
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Bodum 
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So that's what that thing is for!  I had no idea...
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grinders I've seen.  <<
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in my old
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I've definitely experienced some static, but it's expected.  And the static
is MUCH less than what I've experienced in the past with my flat-burr
grinder.  I think the espresso grind is perhaps more susceptible to static.
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I experienced this as well, Carl.  Although the grind is extremely uniform
it is definitely finer on all settings than my old flat-burr grinder.  I had
clog-ups with my Swiss-gold single-cup brewer until I set the grind close to
the french-press setting.
Derek
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6) From: Andy Conn
Just got my chemex .. I agree with Ryuji so far.  It seems like the drip
takes way too long.
- Andy

7) From: cthomas
I did a cursory finger stir-through of the drip grind results with the
Bodum.  I would have to guess from this that the grind has a very fine
component and a courser one - what would be known as a bimodal
distribution.  And yes there is a small accumulation of the finer particles
in the corners and at several smalll localized sites on one side of the
bucket.  Corners I expect since not all water may have been dried or
evaporated out after washing and drying. I am going to try a soft cloth
rather than a paper towel to see if a reduction in "scratch" has an effect.
I'm also going to try blowing the residual "dust" out in the future before
starting a new grind to see if that helps.  It is definitely much less than
the old flat plate grinder in its later years, so I'd guess the static
problem is less as well.
 To those of you that use flannel filters:  I wear a lot of flannel shirts
and pajamas, so when I read of a flannel filter, I wonder if it's a plaid
or solid color B-)
I'm not sure where you get a flannel filter in the shape of a #4 cone!  I
assume that the Hario takes a flat filter.  I guess I could try one in my
old Mr. Coffee in place of the cup-shaped filter, but would probably need a
retaining ring to hold it in place. How does the Hario hold it in place?
I began using the new Melitas while using the old grinder and only changed
the quantity of grounds when I switched to the Bodum when I noticed the
grind was finer and the measuring spoon smaller.  Unfortunately, I didn't
make the switch using the same coffee as a before and after, so I don't
know how to effectively separate out the effect of the grind. I'm going
through a series of roast times on a variety of coffees right now, so I'll
have to try grind size and/or filter type later.  I must say I haven't
tasted anything that suggests a papery flavor with either the Krups filters
I have used recently or the Melita filters I'm using now.
Carl T.
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8) From: Bearhair
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX  wrote:
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   Did you rinse the paper filter first? I found that a quick rinse
removed any paper flavor.
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   That's typical with any vac pot.
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9) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: cthomas 
Subject: +RE: Bodum Antigua grinder
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:27:23 -0400
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How did you test if the grind indeed consists of two grups, coarse
particles and very fine dusts, therefore forming bimodal distribution? 
I suggest you avoid using technical terms with specific definitions
too losely without evidences or reasonable substantiation.
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I don't know of anyone who uses flannel filter in a coffee machine.
Nor do I think it is such a good idea.
All cases I know use hand extraction technique or siphon. If you do
not want to bother these techniques, forget about flannel filter and
be happy with whatever is available for machine use.
Also, #4 indicates loosely standardized shape for paper filters and
does not apply to flannel filters that have longer
history. Furthermore, flannel filters are used without support of the
filter base. It's simply supported by a ring at the top.
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If you find papery flavor that filter is defective regardless of other
aspects of the filter. Negating this defect does not qualify it to be
an excellent filter.
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10) From: cthomas
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Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:30:53 -0400
"Hario drip brewer is my best favorite method ........
The Hario's flannel filter is made of real flannel (at least to my
eyes - it's thick cotton cloth with one side thickly napped), not like
the one that comes with Yama. Yama vacuum leaves significantly more
sediment than Hario's drip filter. (But this Hario flannel filter ......." 
From:
Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:41:41 -0400  
"I don't know of anyone who uses flannel filter in a coffee machine.
Nor do I think it is such a good idea." <<
Interesting dicotomy, Ryuji - or did I read one of these quotes wrong?
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Steve D
Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:06:25 -0500
...Except the filters for a Sunbeam Coffeemaster....Hario cloth filters
also...same material. - Steve <<
Glad you cleared that up, Steve.  I thought I was confused.
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11) From: Jonathan Ziman
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I'm confused by the comments I read about the Yama filters... I have a
Yama and I never get any sediment at all. I grind about half way between
French Press and Espresso, using an old flat burr grinder that isn't
exactly what I'd call a consistent grind. The reason I like my Yama is
that I get a very clear cup with no sediment, but lots of great coffee
taste... maybe I'm missing something though.....
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12) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: cthomas 
Subject: +Re: Bodum Antigua grinder
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:51:35 -0400
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I suggest that you make a specific point if you argue that I am making
an inconsistent statement.
Anyway,
1. Hario Drip Brewer is not a machine. It's a manual extraction system.
2. I pointed out that some vacuum pots use flannel in separate paragraphs.
3. I did not know of Sunbeam Coffeemaster that Steve mentioned. I will
probably search for it on the internet soon.
Therefore I made no inconsistent statement within what you quoted.
Ryuji Suzuki
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13) From: Andy Conn
I understood what Ryuji was saying :-)
- Andy

14) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: Jonathan Ziman 
Subject: Re: +Re: Bodum Antigua grinder
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
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At this point I have not compared mine with anyone else's, so I have
no conclusive explanation. However, I have read very mixed comments on
the filter on this list (and possibly other places). Some said that
the filter is loose and deteriorated quickly. Others said theirs were
very good. It might be that the individual variation is large,
although these mixed comments were made by different persons with
different preference/demand on their coffee and using their brewing
practice.  In short, I don't know why.
However, I personally think that worrying about Yama's filter's
quality may be a waste of time (unless you have no doublt that what
you have produces consistently good result), since quality real
flannel filters in packs of 5 at a very reasonable price are readily
available.
Ryuji Suzuki
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15) From: Joe Screnock
Greetings to the collective.
A friend of mine (former customer who now roasts his own) has a Bodum 
Antigua (Model 5670?) grinder that recently developed a problem.  Now, 
please bear in mind that I'm simply relaying the issue - further 
clarification may need to be obtained from him.
The problem is that "the first plastic gear after the motor shaft" is 
stripped.  It seems to run properly with no load, but the addition of 
any amount of beans causes the gear to slip and the burrs fail to grind 
coffee.
His initial contact with Bodum resulted in the reply "we don't have 
those parts".  (No, I don't know how he made contact.)
He's fairly mechanically inclined and he says he can replace the gear 
himself if he just had one.
I've searched my archives (2006 and 2007) but didn't find evidence of a 
similar problem.  I did, however, find a number for Bodum, which I 
passed on to my friend.  I also found out that the burrs appear to be 
interchangeable with the Solis Maestro grinder, and found an apparent 
source for them.  Perhaps they also carry gears?
If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. 
Thanks.
Joe - who will not pack his french press into checked luggage. Again.
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16) From: Dave Kvindlog
Joe,
Can't help you with the grinder question, but would love to hear your french
press story!  I recently bought an unbreakable 12 oz FP for my travels
(eBay! again).
Refusing to be assimilated,
Dave
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17) From: Sandy Andina
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Joe, I will repeat the advice given Benjamin Braddock in The  
Graduate:  "One word: plastics." Bodum makes an unbreakable  
polycarbonate beaker that fits the frame and moving parts of its  
French presses--both the 3 and 6 tasse models.  (You can also buy it  
as part of the whole unit).    I too once suffered a shattered  
beaker--only mine was not in checked baggage but in a cloth tote in  
my car (the Zass Turkish rolling around next to it did the dirty deed).
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Joe, I will repeat the advice given Benjamin Braddock in The =
Graduate:  "One word: plastics." Bodum makes an =
unbreakable polycarbonate beaker that fits the frame and moving parts of =
its French presses--both the 3 and 6 tasse models.  (You can also buy =
it as part of the whole unit).    I too once suffered a shattered =
beaker--only mine was not in checked baggage but in a cloth tote in my =
car (the Zass Turkish rolling around next to it did the dirty deed). =
  
On Oct 1, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Joe Screnock =
wrote:

Joe - who = will not pack his french press into checked luggage. Again.

= Sandywww.sass-music.com
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18) From: raymanowen
The mechanisms are identical, but rots a ruck getting internal parts
for the gearbox. -ro
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19) From: Brett Mason
Brett - do NOT respond to this request.
This is a TRICK question, do not take the bait.
Don't engage.
Count to ten, and try to pass it up.
You know they won't like your answer.
OK.
I have it.
42.
That's not my answer.
It's just the most acceptable response I can come up with to your problem.
42.
Brett
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20) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
Amazing Brett, I believe 42 was what I paid for my Antigua before shipping
costs....
I too have a Bodum Antigua and the result I have received from the US rep.'s
is "We don't have that part, but will contact you as soon as we get them
in." That was almost two years ago. I was looking for a new bean bowl
because mine had developed issues after a couple of 4 foot drops. Never
found one. Also, shortly after purchase of the unit it developed the same
problem as Joe's friends with failure to grind under load. Part of the
problem was the 'Unique' sensing attribute which prevents damage if a rock
or other object is caught in the burrs. My first response to the problem was
re-inserting it into it's factory box and then placing it high in my attic
to prevent possible hurling event. I later (months later) extracted the
device and disassembled most of it, somehow clearing the problem. I also
discovered that the cute little fan blade assembly in the lower portion was
pretty much all collected in the bottom of the housing. The hub assembly was
intact around the motor shaft, but the cute little plastic blades were now
just white discs. I would bet that the blade could be adapted from a
moto-tool but since the thing still grinds and I've never had an overheating
issue, why bother. Even though my unit works and produces coffee grounds of
some consistency you can almost bank on the fact that I won't waste money on
this type product again.
Good luck on your search for parts for this Chinese imported throw away
grinder.
TerryT
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21) From: stereoplegic
Joe:
i have spare gears for the *$ Barista burr grinder, not sure if they're 
the same (both use Solis/Baratza Maestro burrs), but you can have them 
for the cost of postage. being an avid reader of Ayn Rand (both her 
novels and philosophical writings), however, being referred to as a 
"collective" scares me a bit. how 'bout "group of individuals dedicated 
to the finest coffee available". ;-)
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22) From: Joe Screnock
stereoplegic wrote:
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I will talk with him and see if he wants to see if the gear is the same. 
  Perhaps he can get me a pic...
Not being an avid reader of Ayn Rand, I had no idea that a "collective" 
would be considered a scary thing.  Perhaps I'll begin future posts with 
"Greetings fellow HomeRoasters."  Or perhaps the ubiquitous "Hey!"  ;-)
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We have a company nearby that manufactures gears.  He will probably take 
the gear in to see if they can duplicate it.  I'll keep you posted on 
his ruck (hopefully he has rots).
Thanks to the collective, er, to everyone for their help.  (couldn't 
resist one last time :-)
Joe
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23) From: Joe Screnock
Thanks Sandy for sharing your travel experiences.
I've replaced my glass beaker (8 tasse Bodum) but our hosts don't carry 
a polycarbonate replacement.  Derek says Bodum doesn't offer one, and I 
couldn't find one on Bodum's website.
In the final analysis, I decided the FP brewing is not a lot of fun in a 
hotel room anyway, and that getting a plastic beaker would still leave 
me with messy clean-up issues.  I've ordered an Aeropress for my travel 
needs.  I don't know if I want to use the paper filters (I love the body 
and taste from the FP) or if I want to look for the felt to make filters 
that allow the oils to come through.  I suppose for the few times a year 
that it will be used, I could deal with paper filters.
(For those who wonder what the felt filters are, search the past 18 
months of posts for "micron" and "aeropress".  Scott M. has done a TON 
of research on the subject and posted his findings.  THANKS!!!)
So I will be acquiring a seventh method of preparing coffee.  Obsessive? 
  Me??!??  ;-)
Joe
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24) From: Brett Mason
FP is still my travel companion...  In most the rooms I stay in there is a
FP Discard receptacle, and a FP rinse built right onto the counter.  The
Discard receptacle has a chromium handle which takes the grounds away
nicely....
Regards,
Brett Mason
  who no longer roasts hoes...  or rakes, picks or shovels...
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25) From: Sandy Andina
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I got my small polycarbonate Bodum press from Metropolis when I was  
in there schmoozing one day and my big one from REI. I assumed that  
since the beaker slips out of the metal frame for cleaning, it could  
be purchased separately.
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I got my small polycarbonate Bodum press from Metropolis when I was in =
there schmoozing one day and my big one from REI. I assumed that since =
the beaker slips out of the metal frame for cleaning, it could be =
purchased separately. 
On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Joe =
Screnock wrote:

I've = replaced my glass beaker (8 tasse Bodum) but our hosts don't carry a = polycarbonate replacement.  = Derek says Bodum doesn't offer one, and I couldn't find one on = Bodum's website.

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26) From: Sandy Andina
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ah, good ol' "Uncle Lou." ;)
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ah, good ol' "Uncle Lou." ;)
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FP is still my travel = companion...  In most the rooms I stay in there is a FP Discard = receptacle, and a FP rinse built right onto the counter.  The Discard = receptacle has a chromium handle which takes the grounds away = nicely....  Sandywww.sass-music.com
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