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Topic: To PID or not to PID, that is the question (19 msgs / 513 lines)
1) From: gin
Allen:
Dennis is right on the mark, easy, do it guy since it will make your espresso much better.
ginny
of course I bought mine from Jeff ready to go with all the extras.

2) From: gin
Allen:
Mount that puppy on the outside, no hassle at all. The Gaggia I got from Jeff has the unit 
mounted on the outside and it's great.
ginny

3) From: gin
Allen:
we wanna see the pictures when you are finished!
you go guy...
ginny

4) From: gin
Allen:
You go guy...
You are correct that something ALWAYS comes along that will seduce you 
into spending moola, trading stuff or begging your wife for a bigger allowance.
Don't forget to send me your birthday date off line, ya may win something guy.
WSarmest regards,
ginny

5) From: Allen Marsalis
I've been wanting to PID my Silvia for a long time.  And that
is still the plan.
But I'm curious what would be the next step or two up from
a Silvia, and would it even be as consistent as a PID'ed Silvia?
In other words, are there any machines PID'ed from the factory?
If not, why?  Also are there any shops that PID Silvias for
a living or is PID'ing a DIY project by definition?
Just wondering what all my options are before I start ordering
parts that are likely to sit in a box for a few months while I
try to find time to play.  TIA for any suggestions.
Allen
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6) From: Dennis Parham
Allen... it is a 30 min job.... 20 mins  finding your screwdriver and 
maybe soldering iron if you solder connections to plugs to fit them 
onto stock setup... it is VERY easy.....  but you might have to call 
the PID guys to help you set it up... another easy thing once you know 
what the parameters mean.... it is automatic at that point... I did 
mine and helped a few more...  but then I upped to the LIVIA90 which I 
LOVE!!!  less demanding for perfecg shots for me becasue of speed of 
recovery...no wait time.... since it is an HX (heat exchanger) machine
Dennis Parham
On Nov 6, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Allen Marsalis wrote:
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7) From: Dennis Parham
yea... hehe   it REALLY stabilizes the ONE short coming of the 
silvia... and that is temp boiler stability in terms of temp control... 
the materials are commercial quality as far as the parts it is made 
with..but the little cheap solid state 20+/- temp fluctuation can 
easily put you over or under desired temp...so ...with a computer 
controlled PID the temp can be thermally accurate within a fraction of 
a degree!! DEFINITELY a PLUS!  if you get one of those instand hot 
water taps next to your Silvia then you can pound out the Americanos 
all day.. otherwise...  it still will take a second to warm up between 
shots... not a problem unless you are making lattes and Americanos or 
any steamed or frothed milk drink... thats Silvias only drawback..as 
for quality..it is as good as any commercal machine out there....
Dennis Parham
On Nov 6, 2004, at 1:25 PM, gin wrote:
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8) From: Allen Marsalis
At 11:25 AM 11/6/2004 -0800, gin wrote:
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 >Allen:
 >
 >Dennis is right on the mark, easy, do it guy since it will make your
 >espresso much better.
 >
 >ginny
 >
 >of course I bought mine from Jeff ready to go with all the extras.
 >
Ok then that's the plan..  I bookmarked these two webpages months
ago.http://home.flash.net/~jfmurphy/pidsilvia/http://my.execpc.com/%7En9zes/pepesilvia/pepesilvia.html
Should I follow one of these, or is there an even better website
for PID'ing Miss Silvia?  I'm free this weekend and figure I'd
start ordering the parts.
Allen
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9) From: Dennis Parham
Allen...go for it! those sites are very good... of course you do not 
have to mount it inside the Machine... I mounted mine to the side in a 
radio Shack plastic project box...I mounted it to case of espresso 
machine with 2 sided 3M tape  on the back half of machine where there 
was little moisture also used shrink tube to make sure the wires stayed 
together and were waterproof...also a wire loom .... it was VERy clean 
installation .... then i called my supplier i bought the PID from who 
walked me through the setup...make sure you use the FUZZY LOGIC 
setting...at least for initial setup....
Dennis Parham
On Nov 6, 2004, at 3:17 PM, Allen Marsalis wrote:
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10) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
Allen,
      There was a discussion a little while ago of someone who sold 
PIDing a Silvia on eBay for about $200 plus the cost of shipping the 
Silvia to them in California I think.   I too am looking at PIDing miss 
Silvia for a long time too, but the kids keep running out of money and 
draining the flexible part of my bank account to make their car 
payments, pay the rent etc.  Maybe I can ask for one for Christmas.
        Jim Gundlach
On Nov 6, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Allen Marsalis wrote:
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11) From: Terry Stockdale
At 03:17 PM 11/6/2004, you wrote:
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Those are good websites for PID'ing, especially Murph's.  His website has 
moved, though.  The current address ishttp://www.terrystockdale.com/coffee/espresso.shtml.  I also talked about ">http://www.murphyslawonline.com/silviaI've got some comments on my PID efforts on my webpage at http://www.terrystockdale.com/coffee/espresso.shtml.  I also talked about 
the things I did differently than Murph.  My one change would be to have 
purchased the "dual set point" option.  I would use that for effectively 
setting a maximum steam setting.
As it is, I'm using the steam thermostat, which trips out at 305 degrees F 
and doesn't kick back on until it the temp drops to 255 degrees.  If I 
forget to turn off the steam switch between doing  my espresso and my 
wife's hot chocolate, the thermostat trips.
Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA
   http://www.terrystockdale.com

12) From: Allen Marsalis
Thanks Terry, Ginny, Jim, Dennis for the replies..  I think I'm
pretty well covered now.  I'll get everything on order and see
how it goes.  Sometimes I'm bad about ordering stuff then getting
too busy to complete the project...but I see this as being pretty
important!  Its just too easy to get distracted while temp
surfing and too irritating to wait for the next "wave".
Allen
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At 06:13 PM 11/6/2004 -0600, Terry Stockdale wrote:
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 >Those are good websites for PID'ing, especially Murph's.  His website has
 >moved, though.  The current address ishttp://www.murphyslawonline.com/silvia >
 >I've got some comments on my PID efforts on my webpage at
 >http://www.terrystockdale.com/coffee/espresso.shtml.  I also talked about
 >the things I did differently than Murph.  My one change would be to have
 >purchased the "dual set point" option.  I would use that for effectively
 >setting a maximum steam setting.
 >
 >As it is, I'm using the steam thermostat, which trips out at 305 degrees F
 >and doesn't kick back on until it the temp drops to 255 degrees.  If I
 >forget to turn off the steam switch between doing  my espresso and my
 >wife's hot chocolate, the thermostat trips.
 >
 >Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA
 >   http://www.terrystockdale.com >

13) From: Allen Marsalis
At 05:05 PM 11/6/2004 -0800, gin wrote:
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 >Allen:
 >
 >we wanna see the pictures when you are finished!
 >
Will do!  I just ordered all the parts, or at least the
expensive ones from TTI..  I can run down to RS and HD for
the rest of the parts when UPS arrives.
Thanks for the encouragement, this should be a very
exciting project.
This might be the end of my expensive outlays for a while.
First was the MM, then the RK drum, and once I'm PID'ed
I should be in coffee nirvana, thanks in large part to you
guys (and gals!).  But I'm sure something else will come along.
Before I dropped out of sight, Les was working on some handles
and other new "must have's".  I'm sure I've missed out on a lot
lately, but I haven't been missing any shots, I can assure you.
That's the important thing right?   ;)
Allen
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Sipping La Berlina Estate with memories of Jaramillo

14) From: John Blumel
On Nov 7, 2004, at 6:03pm, Allen Marsalis wrote:
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Well you know Allen, since you're going to the trouble of PIDing, maybe 
you should consider hooking the Silvia up to the network so you can 
turn it on before you leave work and have it ready to go when you get 
home.
John Blumel

15) From: Allen Marsalis
At 06:12 PM 11/7/2004 -0500, John Blumel wrote:
 >
 >Well you know Allen, since you're going to the trouble of PIDing, maybe
 >you should consider hooking the Silvia up to the network so you can
 >turn it on before you leave work and have it ready to go when you get
 >home.
 >
No way John, as much as I love networking, coffee is my escape
from job/work/stress.  I've probably subconsciously delayed
adding a computer to my Silvia so far.  It's the "analog" side
of coffee that I love so much.  :)
But the company who bought us out recently is making a chip
called "Zigbee" that is a wireless networking chip whose claim
to fame is that it runs off a battery for years.  So I'm
guessing that someday every home appliance, clock radio,
espresso machine, etc. will have an IP address in it, and your
vision is closer to being a reality than we may think.
Seems only fitting that my espresso machine would run "java",
but the day I must virus scan my coffee maker, I might quit
and join a monastery or something.  ;)
Allen
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16) From: Justin Marquez
Hey, Allen - 
Think Swiss Gold One Cup.  "It don't get much simpler than that."
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.comOn Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:58:50 -0600, Allen Marsalis  wrote:
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17) From: Angelo
Allen,
While you have her opened, you might want to play with her pressure valve a 
la Greg Scace's instructions. The part is only pennies compared to the 
PIDing...Check Google Groups ...
Ciao,
Angelo
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18) From: Allen Marsalis
At 08:15 AM 11/8/2004 -0600, Justin Marquez wrote:
 >Hey, Allen -
 >
 >Think Swiss Gold One Cup.  "It don't get much simpler than that."
 >
True, my "better half" makes press pot with swiss gold filter
and won't touch my [soon to be PID'd] Silvia.  This says a lot
about our contrasting personalities.  I guess I'm not happy
without having a current problem to work on.
Allen
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19) From: Allen Marsalis
At 10:52 AM 11/8/2004 -0500, Angelo wrote:
 >Allen,
 >While you have her opened, you might want to play with her pressure valve a
 >la Greg Scace's instructions. The part is only pennies compared to the
 >PIDing...Check Google Groups ...
 >Ciao,
 >Angelo
 >
Thanks Angelo, I will definitely check into this.  I am getting
101 results so I might have to read up for a while to make sure
I'm not jumping into his thread at mid-stream and miss something
important.http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=Greg+Scace+Silvia+pressure+valveAllen
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