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1) From: gin

2) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
If you would like to read about another application of the old 
anthropology that inspired the tradition, go to:
   http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6803       Jim Gundlach

3) From: owen cox
Thanks Jim, when one contemplates how little evolutionary change the
human organism brings to the social and technological environment we
have created for ourselves, its surprising how functional we manage to
be.
owen cox
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:47:08 -0600, Pecan Jim Gundlach
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4) From: Gene Smith
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Seems to me that it would be difficult for human changes to be outside the 
evolutionary purview.  Wouldn't it be more proper to say that we haven't 
experienced evolutionary changes in quite the same *manner* that has been 
the norm for rather a long time?  Our current spurt of immense power 
without concomitant biological (emphasis on the 'logical') development 
could very easily be seen as an interesting little experiment of Mother 
Nature.
Of course, like a lot of other evolutionary 'experiments,' it may turn out 
to be a clever way to speed up the process...or end it.
Gene Smith
evolving slowly (very), in Houston

5) From: owen cox
Gene, yes, are genes no longer relevant? Is that a pun?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:31:13 -0600, Gene Smith  wrote:
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6) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
On Dec 20, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Gene Smith wrote:
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Since humans evolved the ability to pass knowledge down from one 
generation to the next, humans have adapted more by creating cultures 
than changing the distribution of gene pool components.   That is not 
to say that biological changes have not taken place.   For example, 
what we call white skin evolved in norther climates where humans had 
developed dairy culture.  The northern climates, combined with dark 
skin and a high calcium diet resulted in calcium deposits on the bones 
along the birth canal.  Lighter skin allowed the production of more 
Vitamin D which enabled the processing of the excess calcium.  I have 
long argued that to understand humans we need to know how biology and 
culture interact.
     Jim Gundlach

7) From: Edward Spiegel
It is worth pointing at that human biological evolution may only seem to have slowed. Evolutionary time scales are awfully long. Coelacanth's, for instance, have hardly changed since long before primates had evolved from their predecessors.
--Edward
At 1:12 PM -0600 12/20/04, Pecan Jim Gundlach wrote:
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8) From: Les
Jim wrote:
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I wrote my B.A. Senior Paper on ethno-ecology.  My M.A. in Linguistics
was on a similar topic.  The history of coffee was rooted in a
shepherd boy observing goats reacting to eating the coffee beans in
Ethiopia according to legend.  Realizing they felt better, he reasoned
that coffee may benefit the human, thus coffee culture was born!
Les

9) From: owen cox
I took a mid-life MS in environmental science focusing on human
ecology and began looking at the coffee culture from the aspect of its
potential to be a nexus of sustainability in coffee growing regions
versus a commodity hastening the demise of cultures. Beginning the
journey of living with it for something more than the benefits of
caffeine was my reward. As we all know, the coffee snobs of the world
are still too few to dry up the demand for three pound cans of dreck
raised on cut-over forests by methods destructive to the health of the
workers and their environment, but then the fact that many of us have
enjoyed coffee from Rwanda less than 10 years after the unspeakable
horror there gives one hope.
owen cox
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10) From: Gene Smith
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No, it's a fashion statement.  Funny, but when you said that it made me
think further on the topic...  Isn't it interesting that this supposedly
non-genetic diversion is happily working its way toward understanding and
possible control of genetic activity?  I can't help but think Mother Nature
(or, the Tao, if you are so inclined) is a lot more complex - and
intelligent - than we generally realize...
Gene Smith
clinging to relevance, in Houston


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