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Topic: rest before grinding? (16 msgs / 371 lines)
1) From: Peter Schmidt
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Someone wants to try some of my home-roast, but they have no grinder.  I =
will violate my conscience and give it to them ground.  But my question =
is, if it will have 24hrs or slightly less or rest before grinding, will =
the beans be losing flavor?  My understanding is that grinding arrests =
the rest and doesn't allow for the full development of flavor.
What say ye, oh wise ones?
Roasting in the shade, in M'waukee....
peter schmidt

2) From: Will
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On 2/23/05 8:10 AM, "Peter Schmidt"  wrote:
An interesting question. Are you going the average the answers or pick the
one most lyrically written?
My two cents is: It doesnąt matter if the roast is coming from one of those
air machines, I think most of the interesting flavor elements have already
been blown away. 
Now I will duck to avoid the incoming SCUDS.
Will
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3) From: Jason Brooks
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Peter,
    I've asked before, and the consensus was to grind immediately.  The
idea was that the development of the flavor will degrade, but would
more quickly if you rest then grind.  But now, I won't give out
anything but whole bean.  Too hard to grind a pound at a whack with a
Zass, but I have done it.
Jason

4) From: Brent Peterson
Peter,
 
Peter Schmidt  wrote:But my question is, if it will have 24hrs or slightly less or rest before grinding, will the beans be losing flavor?  My understanding is that grinding arrests the rest and doesn't allow for the full development of flavor.
If anything, grinding would accelerate the "rest" period. CO2 is going to escape more easily from ground particles.  It's also a lot easier for other good stuff to escape as well.  The ground coffee will undoubtedly lose flavor (and aroma), but I don't think the "pre-ground" rest period is going to play a significant role in your case.
-Brent
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee

6) From: Jerry Procopio
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I find myself agreeing with miKe mcK.  If I give away pre-ground coffee, 
it is ground rested beans which are immediately vac sealed - and only 
enough for a single brew.   My beans deserve to be enjoyed fresh.  If 
someone wants to experience my fresh homeroast in their own home, they 
can at the very least go to Bed Bath & Beyond and make a small investment.
My wife usually rises in the morning before I do, then waits for me to 
get up and make coffee.  She pretends that my coffee corner is "off 
limits" even though I have shown her several times how to grind beans, 
re-vac seal the jar, and boil water for the chemex.  So one day I 
thought that I would beat this horse by pre grinding.  I ground about 
enough rested beans for about 4 days, vac sealed the the grounds and 
showed the wife where the ground coffee was.  It was gonna be nice 
waking to fresh coffee again.  Oh how I remembered the days when she 
would show up in the bathroom while I was shaving with a fresh, hot cup 
of (whatever that crap was we used to drink).  Wellllllll..... Day 1 
wasn't too bad.  Day 2: "Honey, did you let the water come to a boil 
before you poured it over the grounds?"  Day 3: "Why didn't you use the 
coffee I ground for you?"  I had to duck the flying spoon.  Even vac 
sealed, in only a matter of a couple days, what had started out as some 
really good SM homeroast had deteriorated beyond "slightly stale".  
Maybe I've just become a picky coffee snob, but my advice is "Don't do it".
Jerry
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7) From: Skydragon454
Hi folks, 
 I have a few on my list that I will be giving coffee to as  a gift. These 
particular friends do not own (nor are they likely to purchase) a  coffee 
grinder. I was wondering if I should give the coffee my usual 2 day rest,  then 
grind, then seal, then give or should I just grind a few hours after  roasting, 
seal, then give? 
 I know coffee flavor diminishes significantly faster after grinding  so I 
was wondering if I should grind and give even closer to finishing my roast  then 
I would if the beans were to be given whole. Any thoughts are appreciated  :)
 
Eric M
 
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8) From: Michael Mccandless
I pick up whirly blade grinders @ the thrift store
3-4 bucks.
In a few minutes, they are disassembled, cleaned & tested.
Rather than grinding, I give them a "loaner" grinder.
No big loss if they don't come back.
So far they all have - along w-"many thanks" & a few converts.
McSparky
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9) From: Kris Bhatti
I do the same thing - I have several whirly blades in "stock" right now waiting for just that purpose.  I also have 3 brand-new-in-box Melitta pourover cone and carafe sets sitting on the shelf for the same purpose.  Sometimes, not only do the recipients not have a grinder, they most likely don't have a properly functioning auto drip maker.  I've got a few press pots and moka pots ready to go as well.  I found that an important part of giving my carefully roasted beans as gifts is to impress upon the recipient that they should use it right away, don't tuck it away and save it for a special occasion.  I also print out Tom's instructions for whatever brew method will be used and include that for people getting their first gift.  I send roasted beans to my dad in small vac-sealed bags that hold 2 or 3 servings each since he brews by the cup with a filter cone.  It'll never be as fresh as it is at my house, but it sure beats that Folgers instant he used to
 drink!
Kris
From: Michael Mccandless 
To: homeroast
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:09:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Rest before grinding?
I pick up whirly blade grinders @ the thrift store
3-4 bucks.
In a few minutes, they are disassembled, cleaned & tested.
Rather than grinding, I give them a "loaner" grinder.
No big loss if they don't come back.
So far they all have - along w-"many thanks" & a few converts.
McSparky
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10) From: Joseph Robertson
Great Practice Kris,
There is a ritual with enjoying great coffee. Tom makes it clear for all of
us and you do it justice by passing on so much information Kris. We can all
learn from your words here.
Thank you,
JoeR
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11) From: Eddie Dove
Eric,
I don't like grinding for others either, but that's how my
mother-in-law wants it and since she actually pays $15 per pound for
it, I grind it.  There's not a snowball's chance in that famed place
of heat that she is going to buy and use a grinder.
So, in response to your question, for those times that it is required,
I have taken to grinding soon after roasting (when I am done with all
of my roasting), packaging in a nicely-labeled coffee bag with a
one-way valve and sealing the bag with a Foodsaver.  The coffee will
still release the CO2 and evacuate ambient air, which will give the
coffee the best chance at good flavor, given the undesirable process.
Hope this is helpful ... have a great weekend!
Eddie
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12) From: MikeG
I am bringing 1/2 lb beans for all to a sales meeting in Seattle next
week.  Big Boss doesn't grind but loves my coffee.  I told him I'd buy
him a whirley blade.
He begged off, saying he was too lazy to use it.
Oh well. I can't bring myself to grind for him.
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13) From: Scott Miller
$15 a pound to the MIL? .... Eddie! There may be a seat waiting for
YOU in the famed place of heat.... And my soon to be MIL just expects
I'll show up with coffee ... pre-ground, of course!
Clearly, I'm doing something wrong here.
cheers,
Scott --> up early as I'm going to Bluffton for the Christmas Parade.
10,000 people descend on this tiny village and a shop on the parade
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14) From: Angelo
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15) From: Skydragon454
Thanks Eddie, and all the others that have given me some great ideas. I do  
have a couple of family members that I will have to covert slowly. Even if I  
send a cheap grinder there's a good chance they wont use it. There methods are  
deeply seeded. First I want them to see that you dont need a can opener to 
get  good coffee. Next I will show them ways to improve it still (ie. grinder, 
brew  method, ect). Thanks again!
 
Eric
 
In a message dated 12/5/2008 10:24:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
southcoastcoffeeroaster writes:
Eric,
I don't like grinding for others either, but that's how  my
mother-in-law wants it and since she actually pays $15 per pound  for
it, I grind it.  There's not a snowball's chance in that famed  place
of heat that she is going to buy and use a grinder.
So, in  response to your question, for those times that it is required,
I have  taken to grinding soon after roasting (when I am done with all
of my  roasting), packaging in a nicely-labeled coffee bag with a
one-way valve  and sealing the bag with a Foodsaver.  The coffee will
still release  the CO2 and evacuate ambient air, which will give the
coffee the best  chance at good flavor, given the undesirable process.
Hope this is  helpful ... have a great weekend!
Eddie
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16) From: John A C Despres
That's not much more than what I charge for some. The mother-in-law
pays even more...
She has to put up with me.
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