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Topic: Thanks and OT: cable (38 msgs / 794 lines)
1) From: ginny
cable is faster then satellite and both are way, way faster then dialup, I hate dsl...
I am at my sisters is Scottsdale, just opened up the G4Powerbook, turned it on and low and behold my airport said there was an open network. Someone in the "hood" has a great signal because I am getting almost 4 bars from her kitchen counter. God this sure beats dialup as well...
ginny

2) From: ginny
Hey Barb:
Thanks so much, have not heard of Macstumbler before.
I usually just open up the powerbook and see whats up.
I was very surprised this morning here in Scottsdale when I got full signal at the kitchen table. My sister who has more money than god will not pay for fast access so I was prepared to dial up!
I want ypour Theo, my Palm has bluetooth and so does this new 17inch powerbook so I will paly with it.
ginny

3) From: ginny
I may have to swing over that way, I am is Scottsdale for a few more dayss looking at condos (read no yardwork).
ginny
how long are you  staying in LHC

4) From: Mike Womer
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:46:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny
 wrote:
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Why, Ginny? Bad experiences with DSL? I have it here in Houston and love it. Rock-steady 1.2 megabits per second. It even keeps up with the list traffic!!! And no messing about with another copper line running into the house.
Mike

5) From: MS
Thanks to all who gave me some info on the thermocouple.
OT: does anyone out there use cable qwith 256K upload and sownload speeds for internet?  By the numbers it would seem significantly faster than my 56K dialup; but in practice is it?  I do not always trust the numbers and wonder if anyone else has experience with this.
MS
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6) From: Peter
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hi,
The numbers give you the speed gain.
If it is an ADSL connection you also have use of your phone while surfing.
You may think you need to serf some though.
The phone co and distance determines the speed possibilities. There are
price hikes for faster as well.
I was limited to 128 for a time.
Go for it.
Peter. 

7) From: Barbara Greenspon
Ginny:
Mac users can use MACstumbler (www.macstumbler.com) to find open 
networks when you are out and about.  I love it. 
Barbara
ginny wrote:
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8) From: Michael Wascher
I've got cable, 756k downstream. That does NOT mean that I will be
able to download at that speed, it just means that the bottleneck
won't be at my end.
Most servers will limit the download bandwidth. They'll limit each
user (per connection or per ip address, it varies) to a maximum
bandwidth. How fast? It's under the sysadmin's control. The sysadmin
will make a decision based the how much bandwidth he has available,
and how many simultaneous users he wishes to accommodate. This is to
assure that one user with a fast connection doesn't hog all of the
bandwidth. If done properly it assures that all users get a fair share
of the server's resources.
There may also be a cap on the total bandwidth used by all users that
are downloading. This assures that the folks that are browsing web
pages on the server are also getting their share of resources.
Also, some cable providers will also cap your speed/bandwidth to
assure that everybody gets their fair share (or to try to get you to
sign up for the more expensive program). This is usually not an issue
with DSL.
The fast pipe does still help. It means that the handshaking between
your machine & the server will be faster. The server will send several
packets of data to you then requests acknowledgment that they were
received. There's some dead time between the REQs & ACKs. The faster
link will reduce this dead time, but not by much.
Now does that mean that broadband is useless? Not at all! It lets you
do lots of things at once. I'm listening to an audio stream for
background music, got a banner running on my screen with news stories
-- I can click on anything interesting, and reading/writing email, ...
and there's bandwidth to spare. Before broadband I had to stop
everything while doing a download (or do my downloads overnight), and
forget about listening to an audio stream or watching a video!
--MikeW
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:38:34 -0800 (PST), MS  wrote:
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-- 
"You can lead a yak to water, but you can't teach an old dog to make a
silk purse out of a pig in a poke" - Opus

9) From: Tom Ulmer
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
The cable connection where I live is exceptional. There are only a dozen or
so houses in proximity and even fewer children and I have seen bandwith in
excess of 1.5mbps.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MS
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:39 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Thanks and OT: cable
Thanks to all who gave me some info on the thermocouple.
OT: does anyone out there use cable qwith 256K upload and sownload speeds
for internet?  By the numbers it would seem significantly faster than my 56K
dialup; but in practice is it?  I do not always trust the numbers and wonder
if anyone else has experience with this.
MS  
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business - Try
our new resources site! 

10) From: miKe mcKoffee
Cable modem significantly faster than dialup is a MAJOR HUMUNGOUS GIGANTIC 
MONUMENTAL understatement!!!
MM

11) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Gin,
  See how spoiled we've become?  There may be some on the list that 
remember the KSR33 paper punching teletype.  When I fired up my PDP11E I 
would load the fan folded mylar punched tape into the tape reader and go 
have breakfast.  This was state of the art!  110 baud and no frills. 
Dialup??  You direct connected or you didn't work.  Then along came the 
101DAA - a transformer that allowed you to connect your KSR to the phone 
line! WHOA!  On line - - to one single point.  Then the 202 and 402 modems.
   In 1977 I had a paper published in the IEEE journal "proving" that 
1200 baud was the upper limit on a phone line!  Well with 2025 hz voice 
coils that was about it.
   Now we whip along on our T1 or T3 at 4.5 mbs and complain because we 
have to wait on a slow server - and curse our DSL connection!
  And back then we thought Chocked-full-of-Nuts and 8 O'clock were magic 
coffees.  And now we complain when out ISH is late being delivered from 
the island :0)
YUP - we've become spoiled.
John - gotta run and pick up my videophone - its my grandson!
ginny wrote:
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12) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Can you ladies say "WARDRIVER?"
Barbara Greenspon wrote:
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13) From: Barbara Greenspon
But we MAC users are good folks, we just share.
Barbara
Wandering Curmudgeon wrote:
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14) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Barbara Greenspon wrote:
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Back in my dark dark past, I was the engineering manager for the 
microprocessor group at National Semiconductor. I shared my office with 
a very animated marketing type named Steve Jobs.  When Signetics came 
out with their single voltage MPU we both wanted to second source it. 
However the supreme powers at NSC never did  understand 
microprocessors.  Steve and I were playing around with S100 bus 
structures and started developing a system for the fun of it.  Steve 
took it far more seriously than I and ran off and started Apple 
computer.   For a long time I kept the wooden framed box that housed the 
original unit even though it didn't run.  I gave it to Steve about 15 
years ago for his musium.
So I know that MAC users are extremely good folks.

15) From: Brett Mason
My brother lives about 200 yds from the Cable CO, and he gets
3Mbit/sec and better all the time...  Proximity and low traffic make
for a wonderful sport!
Brett
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:26:17 -0800, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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-- 
Regards,
Brett Mason
 HomeRoast
      __]_
   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

16) From: miKe mcKoffee

17) From: Brett Mason
I remember selling PCs in 1985, and Hayes came out with the Smartmodem
1200B.  We had to caution people that this wouldn't work over long
distance, because of the telephone infrastructure...
SlowSpeedSux...
Brett
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:26:35 -0800, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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-- 
Regards,
Brett Mason
 HomeRoast
      __]_
   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

18) From: Tom Ulmer
John... My entry point was a 300 baud acoustic coupler connected to a TRS 80
model 1 / cassette drive. I drank (or mostly chewed and chased with water)
Nescafe.

19) From: Gene Smith
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Lord, you had to drink *something*!  I can remember many cups of coffee 
prepared while waiting for a picture or website to load at that speed.  I 
remember judging speed on the basis of what I could get done while I 
waited...
Gene Smith
addicted to speed, in Houston

20) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Mike,
If you usehttp://performance.toast.net you can select servers around 
the country to speed test.  If you are under a meg the results page will 
show you compared to dialup and adsl.  If you are over a meg you get 
compared with the real guys.    Comcast is generally way far out in 
front of the rest of the network - however for some strange reason they 
seem to be dogging it today.  I'm running on DirecWay Professional.
Your Results:   1394 Kb
Com:  		281 Kb
Bellsouth:  	1260 Kb
Avg. Results:  	1402 Kb
Comcast:  	1952 Kb
Adelphia:  	2242 Kb
Cox:  		2591 Kb

21) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Brett Mason wrote:
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Yeah, and the Hayes became the standard by which all modems were judged. 
  One would never buy a modem if it weren't "Hayes compatible."

22) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
And "OF COURSE" everyone knows that my group designed the Trash 80 for 
Tandy corp.  We would have built it too if we hadn't had the President 
of Tandy in for a meeting that ended after 5PM.  He left through the 
vendor lobby only to find himself locked out of the building and the 
guest parking lot gated shut.  He called a cab and went back to Texas 
that next morning - missing our meeting.  It was two weeks later that 
all the NSC Databooks disappeared from the shelves of Radio Shack ant 
the TI chip was used for the TRS80. The man had NO sense of humor!
Gene Smith wrote:
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23) From: Terry Stockdale
At 01:23 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote:
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Using the default toast.net test, I got 3242 Kb/sec and got 3834 Kb/sec 
when I selected the 1and1 test.
The winner was the godaddy selection via toast.net -- 4860 Kb
Officially Cox is giving me "up to" 4Mb/sec download and up to 756 Kb/sec. 
upload.
Terry
--
Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA
Visit my computer tips, coffee pages and forums at:http://www.terrystockdale.com

24) From: Angelo
Wasn't it the early mac that had a coffee cup with vapor rising as the wait 
cursor?....That always gave me a chuckle
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25) From: Michael Wascher
I remember them well. And hanging chad would really ruin your day! We
used mylar tape -- tough but it dulled the punches so they didn't make
clean holes. I also worked underwater, a terrible environment for data
transmission. I was overjoyed when we achieved reliable transmission
to our vehicle at a 1/3 Baud rate.
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:35:52 -0600, Wandering Curmudgeon
 wrote:
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-- 
"You can lead a yak to water, but you can't teach an old dog to make a
silk purse out of a pig in a poke" - Opus

26) From: DJ Garcia
Jeesh, brings back memories of the Altair ...
I used to be enamored of the DEC stuff when they had these cool 300-400
page catalogs detailing all the neat LSI-11 and PDP mini stuff. Plug-in
cards with six or seven logic gates measuring several square inches,
where now a CPU chip a fraction of a square inch can contain hundreds of
millions. I do miss the blinking lights though.
I remember when MOS Technology was formed by Motorola renegades, made
the 6500 8-bit processor to compete with the 8080, Z-80 and 6800. You
know it's not a big outfit when you call up to inquire about their
upcoming 16-bit 65000 for my senior year project, and end up talking to
one of the engineers :-). They got sued and lost, then got scooped by
Commodore, eventual makers of my old time favorite, the
way-ahead-of-its-time Amiga ...
While we reminisce our past, I went to work for Zilog's Systems Division
as Eastern region Systems Engineer, including Canada, then crossed to
the other side of the economic fence when I was seduced by (sold out
to?) their main customer at the time, Coopers & Lybrand. And now I have
the irony of being a principal architect for Cablevision Systems,
provider to much of NY of prime Internet, voice and cable services and
can get none myself, because I live in Queens, Time-Warner territory
(bleh, ptui, eewu!). So by day I architect provisioning systems for
cable internet, voice and video services while by night I use 3Mbps DSL
and watch DirecTV, its competition. Life has an amusing sense of humor
...
While my past is not as illustrious as John's, I recognize and share the
geeky fun he had, as obviously quite a few in the list do. John I agree,
Mac people tend to be nice folks, if a bit uppity and stuck-up at times
B^)

27) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
I've been watching weather on TV and waiting for the direcway satellite 
signal to come back up.   For the second time we have had weather that 
brought the signal strength down to a 1.   The dish points to the 
southwest which is where the weather usually, and it is today,  comes 
from.  Rain is pounding down here but signal strength is back up to 55 
so I have connection again and I know that lighter rain will soon be 
here.  Lightning just hit near, about 3/4 a second until the thunder 
sent the dog under my feet, guess it was about 800 to 900 feet away.
Anyway, I used an Amiga for years.  I remember when I got the second 
floppy drive and was able to run the system on one and the application 
on the other and I told people,  "Nobody needs a hard drive".    The 
kids learned to touch-type with TypeAttack, the best typing tutor I 
ever saw, on a C64 and they got their speed up through hundreds of 
hours on chat boards.
On Mar 26, 2005, at 2:52 PM, DJ Garcia wrote:
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"The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder, not the other way 
around."

28) From: Barbara Greenspon
That is a very fun story, John.  What an interesting life you've had, 
even before mosquitoes!  Thanks for sharing this piece.
Barbara
Wandering Curmudgeon wrote:
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29) From: Gene Smith
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Okay, Computer Dudes...is Angelo right?  Who do I have to kill to get a 
'wait' cursor like this for WinXP?
gene

30) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Gene Smith wrote:
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I just watched the movie "Kill Bill" and as I sit and ponder your 
question I'm left without an answer

31) From: John Blumel
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:34pm, Gene Smith wrote:
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I don't recall ever seeing this type of wait cursor on a Mac. I have a 
vague memory that some of the early JVMs (Java Virtual Machines) may 
have had an icon like this that displayed while an applet was loading.
John Blumel

32) From: Johnny Kent
At 08:34 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote:
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hmm I'll have to try that....thanks for the inspirartion...

33) From: J.W.Bullfrog
did you see me wave as i passed by.
Now in LHC.
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:46:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny
 wrote:
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-- 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

34) From: DJ Garcia
You can make your own ...http://www.aha-soft.com/artcursors/index.htm

35) From: J.W.Bullfrog
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:02:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny
 wrote:
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Leaving a week from Tuesday. Peter Z and the Turbo beast is also here.
contact off list if you want contact info.
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-- 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

36) From: Mingles
I've found a steaming cup of joe animated cursor for yee!http://www.anicursor.com/moreani6.htmlhttp://members.aol.com/dierkl/coffee.zip
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:05:36 -0700, J.W.Bullfrog  wrote:
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37) From: Jared Andersson
Thanks I am now using it.  A little harder to point with out spilling
but I am learning.  Jared
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:59:25 +0100, Mingles  wrote:
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38) From: Gene Smith
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Thank you kindly!  I just installed it.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston


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