cable is faster then satellite and both are way, way faster then dialup, I hate dsl... I am at my sisters is Scottsdale, just opened up the G4Powerbook, turned it on and low and behold my airport said there was an open network. Someone in the "hood" has a great signal because I am getting almost 4 bars from her kitchen counter. God this sure beats dialup as well... ginny
Hey Barb: Thanks so much, have not heard of Macstumbler before. I usually just open up the powerbook and see whats up. I was very surprised this morning here in Scottsdale when I got full signal at the kitchen table. My sister who has more money than god will not pay for fast access so I was prepared to dial up! I want ypour Theo, my Palm has bluetooth and so does this new 17inch powerbook so I will paly with it. ginny
I may have to swing over that way, I am is Scottsdale for a few more dayss looking at condos (read no yardwork). ginny how long are you staying in LHC
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:46:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny wrote: <Snip> Why, Ginny? Bad experiences with DSL? I have it here in Houston and love it. Rock-steady 1.2 megabits per second. It even keeps up with the list traffic!!! And no messing about with another copper line running into the house. Mike
Thanks to all who gave me some info on the thermocouple. OT: does anyone out there use cable qwith 256K upload and sownload speeds for internet? By the numbers it would seem significantly faster than my 56K dialup; but in practice is it? I do not always trust the numbers and wonder if anyone else has experience with this. MS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi, The numbers give you the speed gain. If it is an ADSL connection you also have use of your phone while surfing. You may think you need to serf some though. The phone co and distance determines the speed possibilities. There are price hikes for faster as well. I was limited to 128 for a time. Go for it. Peter.
Ginny: Mac users can use MACstumbler (www.macstumbler.com) to find open networks when you are out and about. I love it. Barbara ginny wrote: <Snip>
I've got cable, 756k downstream. That does NOT mean that I will be able to download at that speed, it just means that the bottleneck won't be at my end. Most servers will limit the download bandwidth. They'll limit each user (per connection or per ip address, it varies) to a maximum bandwidth. How fast? It's under the sysadmin's control. The sysadmin will make a decision based the how much bandwidth he has available, and how many simultaneous users he wishes to accommodate. This is to assure that one user with a fast connection doesn't hog all of the bandwidth. If done properly it assures that all users get a fair share of the server's resources. There may also be a cap on the total bandwidth used by all users that are downloading. This assures that the folks that are browsing web pages on the server are also getting their share of resources. Also, some cable providers will also cap your speed/bandwidth to assure that everybody gets their fair share (or to try to get you to sign up for the more expensive program). This is usually not an issue with DSL. The fast pipe does still help. It means that the handshaking between your machine & the server will be faster. The server will send several packets of data to you then requests acknowledgment that they were received. There's some dead time between the REQs & ACKs. The faster link will reduce this dead time, but not by much. Now does that mean that broadband is useless? Not at all! It lets you do lots of things at once. I'm listening to an audio stream for background music, got a banner running on my screen with news stories -- I can click on anything interesting, and reading/writing email, ... and there's bandwidth to spare. Before broadband I had to stop everything while doing a download (or do my downloads overnight), and forget about listening to an audio stream or watching a video! --MikeW On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:38:34 -0800 (PST), MS wrote: <Snip> -- "You can lead a yak to water, but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke" - Opus
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. The cable connection where I live is exceptional. There are only a dozen or so houses in proximity and even fewer children and I have seen bandwith in excess of 1.5mbps. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MS Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:39 AM To: homeroast Subject: +Thanks and OT: cable Thanks to all who gave me some info on the thermocouple. OT: does anyone out there use cable qwith 256K upload and sownload speeds for internet? By the numbers it would seem significantly faster than my 56K dialup; but in practice is it? I do not always trust the numbers and wonder if anyone else has experience with this. MS Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Cable modem significantly faster than dialup is a MAJOR HUMUNGOUS GIGANTIC MONUMENTAL understatement!!! MM
Gin, See how spoiled we've become? There may be some on the list that remember the KSR33 paper punching teletype. When I fired up my PDP11E I would load the fan folded mylar punched tape into the tape reader and go have breakfast. This was state of the art! 110 baud and no frills. Dialup?? You direct connected or you didn't work. Then along came the 101DAA - a transformer that allowed you to connect your KSR to the phone line! WHOA! On line - - to one single point. Then the 202 and 402 modems. In 1977 I had a paper published in the IEEE journal "proving" that 1200 baud was the upper limit on a phone line! Well with 2025 hz voice coils that was about it. Now we whip along on our T1 or T3 at 4.5 mbs and complain because we have to wait on a slow server - and curse our DSL connection! And back then we thought Chocked-full-of-Nuts and 8 O'clock were magic coffees. And now we complain when out ISH is late being delivered from the island :0) YUP - we've become spoiled. John - gotta run and pick up my videophone - its my grandson! ginny wrote: <Snip>
Can you ladies say "WARDRIVER?" Barbara Greenspon wrote: <Snip>
But we MAC users are good folks, we just share. Barbara Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip>
Barbara Greenspon wrote: <Snip> Back in my dark dark past, I was the engineering manager for the microprocessor group at National Semiconductor. I shared my office with a very animated marketing type named Steve Jobs. When Signetics came out with their single voltage MPU we both wanted to second source it. However the supreme powers at NSC never did understand microprocessors. Steve and I were playing around with S100 bus structures and started developing a system for the fun of it. Steve took it far more seriously than I and ran off and started Apple computer. For a long time I kept the wooden framed box that housed the original unit even though it didn't run. I gave it to Steve about 15 years ago for his musium. So I know that MAC users are extremely good folks.
My brother lives about 200 yds from the Cable CO, and he gets 3Mbit/sec and better all the time... Proximity and low traffic make for a wonderful sport! Brett On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:26:17 -0800, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
I remember selling PCs in 1985, and Hayes came out with the Smartmodem 1200B. We had to caution people that this wouldn't work over long distance, because of the telephone infrastructure... SlowSpeedSux... Brett On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:26:35 -0800, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
John... My entry point was a 300 baud acoustic coupler connected to a TRS 80 model 1 / cassette drive. I drank (or mostly chewed and chased with water) Nescafe.
<Snip> Lord, you had to drink *something*! I can remember many cups of coffee prepared while waiting for a picture or website to load at that speed. I remember judging speed on the basis of what I could get done while I waited... Gene Smith addicted to speed, in Houston
miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> Mike, If you usehttp://performance.toast.net you can select servers around the country to speed test. If you are under a meg the results page will show you compared to dialup and adsl. If you are over a meg you get compared with the real guys. Comcast is generally way far out in front of the rest of the network - however for some strange reason they seem to be dogging it today. I'm running on DirecWay Professional. Your Results: 1394 Kb Com: 281 Kb Bellsouth: 1260 Kb Avg. Results: 1402 Kb Comcast: 1952 Kb Adelphia: 2242 Kb Cox: 2591 Kb
Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> Yeah, and the Hayes became the standard by which all modems were judged. One would never buy a modem if it weren't "Hayes compatible."
And "OF COURSE" everyone knows that my group designed the Trash 80 for Tandy corp. We would have built it too if we hadn't had the President of Tandy in for a meeting that ended after 5PM. He left through the vendor lobby only to find himself locked out of the building and the guest parking lot gated shut. He called a cab and went back to Texas that next morning - missing our meeting. It was two weeks later that all the NSC Databooks disappeared from the shelves of Radio Shack ant the TI chip was used for the TRS80. The man had NO sense of humor! Gene Smith wrote: <Snip>
At 01:23 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Using the default toast.net test, I got 3242 Kb/sec and got 3834 Kb/sec when I selected the 1and1 test. The winner was the godaddy selection via toast.net -- 4860 Kb Officially Cox is giving me "up to" 4Mb/sec download and up to 756 Kb/sec. upload. Terry -- Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA Visit my computer tips, coffee pages and forums at:http://www.terrystockdale.com
Wasn't it the early mac that had a coffee cup with vapor rising as the wait cursor?....That always gave me a chuckle <Snip>
I remember them well. And hanging chad would really ruin your day! We used mylar tape -- tough but it dulled the punches so they didn't make clean holes. I also worked underwater, a terrible environment for data transmission. I was overjoyed when we achieved reliable transmission to our vehicle at a 1/3 Baud rate. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:35:52 -0600, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip> -- "You can lead a yak to water, but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke" - Opus
Jeesh, brings back memories of the Altair ... I used to be enamored of the DEC stuff when they had these cool 300-400 page catalogs detailing all the neat LSI-11 and PDP mini stuff. Plug-in cards with six or seven logic gates measuring several square inches, where now a CPU chip a fraction of a square inch can contain hundreds of millions. I do miss the blinking lights though. I remember when MOS Technology was formed by Motorola renegades, made the 6500 8-bit processor to compete with the 8080, Z-80 and 6800. You know it's not a big outfit when you call up to inquire about their upcoming 16-bit 65000 for my senior year project, and end up talking to one of the engineers :-). They got sued and lost, then got scooped by Commodore, eventual makers of my old time favorite, the way-ahead-of-its-time Amiga ... While we reminisce our past, I went to work for Zilog's Systems Division as Eastern region Systems Engineer, including Canada, then crossed to the other side of the economic fence when I was seduced by (sold out to?) their main customer at the time, Coopers & Lybrand. And now I have the irony of being a principal architect for Cablevision Systems, provider to much of NY of prime Internet, voice and cable services and can get none myself, because I live in Queens, Time-Warner territory (bleh, ptui, eewu!). So by day I architect provisioning systems for cable internet, voice and video services while by night I use 3Mbps DSL and watch DirecTV, its competition. Life has an amusing sense of humor ... While my past is not as illustrious as John's, I recognize and share the geeky fun he had, as obviously quite a few in the list do. John I agree, Mac people tend to be nice folks, if a bit uppity and stuck-up at times B^)
I've been watching weather on TV and waiting for the direcway satellite signal to come back up. For the second time we have had weather that brought the signal strength down to a 1. The dish points to the southwest which is where the weather usually, and it is today, comes from. Rain is pounding down here but signal strength is back up to 55 so I have connection again and I know that lighter rain will soon be here. Lightning just hit near, about 3/4 a second until the thunder sent the dog under my feet, guess it was about 800 to 900 feet away. Anyway, I used an Amiga for years. I remember when I got the second floppy drive and was able to run the system on one and the application on the other and I told people, "Nobody needs a hard drive". The kids learned to touch-type with TypeAttack, the best typing tutor I ever saw, on a C64 and they got their speed up through hundreds of hours on chat boards. On Mar 26, 2005, at 2:52 PM, DJ Garcia wrote: <Snip> "The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder, not the other way around."
That is a very fun story, John. What an interesting life you've had, even before mosquitoes! Thanks for sharing this piece. Barbara Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> Okay, Computer Dudes...is Angelo right? Who do I have to kill to get a 'wait' cursor like this for WinXP? gene
Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> I just watched the movie "Kill Bill" and as I sit and ponder your question I'm left without an answer
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:34pm, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> I don't recall ever seeing this type of wait cursor on a Mac. I have a vague memory that some of the early JVMs (Java Virtual Machines) may have had an icon like this that displayed while an applet was loading. John Blumel
At 08:34 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: <Snip> hmm I'll have to try that....thanks for the inspirartion...
did you see me wave as i passed by. Now in LHC. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:46:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny wrote: <Snip> -- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
You can make your own ...http://www.aha-soft.com/artcursors/index.htm
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:02:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00), ginny wrote: <Snip> Leaving a week from Tuesday. Peter Z and the Turbo beast is also here. contact off list if you want contact info. <Snip> -- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
I've found a steaming cup of joe animated cursor for yee!http://www.anicursor.com/moreani6.htmlhttp://members.aol.com/dierkl/coffee.zip On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:05:36 -0700, J.W.Bullfrog wrote: <Snip>
Thanks I am now using it. A little harder to point with out spilling but I am learning. Jared On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:59:25 +0100, Mingles wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> Thank you kindly! I just installed it. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston