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Topic: Growing coffee in Florida! ? (13 msgs / 345 lines)
1) From: John David Huddle
Saw this on yahoo news.http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/11246761.htm--------
Florida coffee drinkers may soon wake up to a Broward-grown brew.
J.C. Nadeau, as if an alchemist-turned-coffee-roaster, is betting his 
locally grown coffee will be tastier and more pure than pricier blends.
The Coconut Creek resident is importing Colombian coffee plants that are 
customized for Florida's unique soil. Within the next week, he says, a 
caffeinated crop will go into the ground on a leased, 10-acre patch of 
farmland in western Davie.
State farm officials are closely watching Nadeau's progress. If he succeeds, 
his would be the first commercial coffee plantation in Florida.
But Florida's winter climate, while ideal for snowbirds and vacationers, may 
be too cold for the finicky coffee plant, which thrives at temperatures 
between 55 and 80 degrees. While South Florida's temperatures normally stay 
in that range, the occasional freeze or bout of cold weather could ruin a 
Jonathan Crane, a tropical-fruit-crop specialist at the University of 
Florida's Tropical Research and Education Center in Homestead, says the 
region's high humidity during the summer also can weaken coffee plants.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture once maintained a coffee collection near 
the coast in southern Miami-Dade County, but agronomists eventually gave up 
and found it easier to grow cacao instead.
''If coffee could be grown here commercially,'' said Crane, ``it would 
already be commercially cultivated here.''

2) From: Bill Zambon
altitude might be a problem as well.
Bill Z
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:40 -0500, John David Huddle
William R. Zambon
First Presbyterian Church, Wyandotte MI
(734) 282-3160
(734) 272-7062  cell

3) From: Aaron
Having coffee plants of my own growing I will attest to that statement.
They are rather sensitive, and yep the first cold weather will 'stun' 
them and yep the first frost, no matter how mild, will turn them into 
I wonder how they would do growing in a greenhouse.  Oh well, in a year 
or so when I am in a position where I can finally move into my own 
house, that's one of the first projects I plan on doing is putting up a 
green house for my vanilla, saffron, and of course coffee plants, and 
seeing how well they do.

4) From: Frank Haist
I was thinking the same thing. When I lived in Gainesville for a year 
while doing an internship, I read that Space Mountain at Disney World 
was the third highest peak in Florida. Never checked to see if that was 
true, but the lay of the land around Central Florida left little reason 
to doubt it.
Bill Zambon wrote:

5) From: Tom Ulmer
"As he prepares his coffee plantation, he's also seeking franchisees to run
their own Wagon Wheel cart or store."
I guess any press is good press...

6) From: Brett Mason
Ski Orlando!
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:08:43 -0500, Bill Zambon  wrote:
Brett Mason
   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

7) From: AlChemist John
 From my own growing experience in Florida, I don't think he stands a 
chance.  Freezes do happen, and the plants just can not take it.  I lost 
half a dozen trees.
For a moment there, I thought I was being talked about :-)  (my middle 
initial is C)
Sometime around 14:49 3/30/2005, John David Huddle typed:
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

8) From: Dennis Parham
aslo.. cost of labor here is allot higher here... .. but.. we have some =
technologies we could use to compensate?? lol  how about one of those 
Nut Shakers like Jesse James made in Monster Garage but with a 4 
wheeler??? to make it cost effective..he might have to take ALL the 
beans so char$ will have enough if he plans to sell 
commercially...hmm...  Im real curious about all this too...
On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:25 AM, AlChemist John wrote:

9) From: Tom Ulmer
The thought of being a coffee plantation lord in southeast Florida catch
your fancy? It does sound kind of appealing but I have some real =
with the logistics of the fellow's plan. The story states "If all goes =
planned, Nadeau expects to harvest in about eight months 15,000 pounds =
beans from an initial planting of 5,000 coffee trees." This would imply =
all of the trees he's going to plant are of fruit bearing age which, my
understanding is 6-8 years. I think it more likely that it rains pecan
smoked bacon than he sees a commercial harvest in eight months.
I am not familiar with any coffee growing areas that lie outside of the
Tropic of Cancer or the Tropic of Capricorn or the particulars =
with such and would very much enjoy any discourse on related subjects.

10) From: Michael Corbett
Tom Ulmer wrote:
Hmmmmmm, bacon.

11) From: Michael Vanecek
The plants don't need freezes to suffer. Temps as low as 45F have wilted
my trees! He may end up losing his investment unless he protects his
trees - which in turn can become prohibitively expensive! Either way,
this fella may eventually move his operation south of the border to a
more amicable environment.
You can get a crop from a 4th year tree, but it's not as big as more
mature trees. Of course, tho, that depends on whether those trees
survive to that age. :)
Speaking of which - Tom's little seedlings are still happily growing
along. I'll be potting them up here pretty soon, along with my kona
Have fun,
Tom Ulmer wrote:

12) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I missed the story, but a broker told me that the guy sounds like he 
knows zilch about coffee. I can't imagine the altitude he would get 
in florida but I know the humidity will cause a lot of fungal 
problems. He said something about store-bought coffee having 
preservatives in it? Oh well ...
I had always thought it might be possible to plant coffee at a decent 
altitude in Santa Barbara and protect it from frost by it's proximity 
to the ocean.
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13) From: John Blumel
On Mar 31, 2005, at 1:27pm, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
I'm no expert but, based on the TotN interview, I suspect his 
evaluation of his knowledge may be accurate. He spent the whole time 
talking about soil pH and how they installed irrigation because, "a lot 
of water runs down the mountains to the coffee trees." Somewhat dubious 
reasoning, at best, but, if it were that simple, people would be 
growing coffee in the SJ Valley.
John Blumel

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