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Topic: Gaggia (32 msgs / 581 lines)
1) From: ginny
Buy the best machine you can for what you drink.
If you do not drink espresso don't spend money on a 199 gaggia as you will want more machine.

2) From: Barry Luterman
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Here's something I know the list is good for. Help me spend money. The =
problem is, I like an occasional espresso. My wife hates them (although =
hopefully she might change in the future). Until I got into  home =
roasting I would get my espresso fix outside the house. Since  home =
roasting I virtually never drink coffee out. I have a 20 year old Bran =
steam toy espresso machine in the closet. Results from said machine are =
poor even using my own home roast. The question is do I spring for a =
Gaggia ($199) for the occasional espresso. Or do I wait till I get to =
Stump before I have my next one. Or do I wait till I win the World =
Series of Poker and get a top of the line machine  for maybe drinking =
one or two shots a week.

3) From: Barry Luterman
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Should be Stumptown

4) From: miKe mcKoffee
You have to see this one coming, do you already have a good grinder!
Reports say Gaggia very capable of good shots.
BTW, steam toy wise if you treat and think of it similar to a moka pot you 
can get a decent cup. Not like espresso, but not bad very strong coffee 
either. Coarse grind, no tamp etc...
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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5) From: Zara Haimo
If you can find a Krups Gusto, you will get a very good cup for not a lot of
money and not a lot of space.  It's not a steam toy, but a very decent
espresso maker.  I don't think they're made anymore, but you should be able
to find one on eBay for well under $100.

6) From: Barry Luterman
I have a Rocky and a Rocky extractor which I will demonstrate at Stumptown

7) From: Gene Smith
Yeah, but a Bran has gotta keep you a regular coffee drinker, Barry...
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
I claim temporary insanity caused by just returning from the smell of six 
racks of babybacks I'd just given another spritz of applecider-Meyers Dark 
rum mix while they be apple/maple/hickory smokin' for 4hrs so far with about 
an hour or so to go:-) Duh, you mentioned that off List! Still gotta see 
what your Rocky extractor can do my flux brush can't;-)

9) From: Gene Smith
There are 4 on ebay right now, with 3 listed at under *10* dollars.  The 
fourth is ridiculously priced at $10.99.  Three of of them are new in box 
(tested customer returns) and two of those have a BuyItNow price of $35.00.
Incidentally, the two I found with a "Completed listings only" search went 
for $15.51 and $39.99.  Sounds like a pretty good possibility for an 
"occasional" espresso.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

10) From: Barry Luterman
I was wondering if someone would catch that.

11) From: Gene Smith
People think it's the Bran...but I'm pretty sure it's the steam.

12) From: John Abbott
On Thursday 31 March 2005 18:57, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
I'm still settling a scrumptious vegetarian dinner that was topped off 
by a vegan chocolate cheese cake.  I won't bore you with grazzings er 
ah menu - but it was delightful.   
Note to Alchemist John - do you remember the name of the restaurant 
where we ate after PNWG-1?   I may even stay in the motel next to it if 
I can get all the data in time.
We're on for part of my family joining us in Portland for at least that 
week-end.  So lookout Stumptown!
John - loving life in the slow lane!

13) From: Barry Luterman
Thanks I just bid on one. For that price even one fairly good cup a week
it's worth it.

14) From: miKe mcKoffee
I've been thinking of getting a Gusto for travel. I believe but want to 
confirm your eBay ID is pokerbarry4 so I don't bid against you.

15) From: French Lewis
--- Barry Luterman  wrote:
Hi Barry.
If money is the issue, I won a brand new Spidem (made
by Saeco, like the $barista) on ebay for around 43
dollars.   I'm not the seller, but they usually have
brand new machines up for auction.   I added a
non-pressurized portafilter (bought from Saeco-usa)
and for less than $80 I have a machine that makes me a
very nice double each night.   Like you, my wife
doesn't touch espresso, and was willing to endulge my
habit with this inexpensive purchase.
good luck
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16) From: Barry Luterman
That's me

17) From: miKe mcKoffee

18) From: Barry Luterman
Of course my next question is how can one rationalize buying a Thor Tamper
for an $11.00 espresso machine?

19) From: R.N.Kyle
It might be good to get ready and have bid ready to submit with 15 sec left
Open two browser and sign in on one and make them small enough to sit beside
each other
Keep you bid ready to ship on one and keep refreshing the other to keep
track of the time> I use a timer set 15sec ahead of time left on bid and
when it beeps I hid the bid button that is If I really want the item and I
know what I am willing to pay maximum bid. Good Luck

20) From: Barry Luterman
Got it for 18.51

21) From: Gene Smith
To paraphrase a famous friend of mine...
"The espresso machine is an accessory to the Thor Tamper, not the other way 
Gene Smith
who loves his Thor, in Houston

22) From: Barry Luterman
OK you have convinced me. Am more excited about the Thor Tamper than the

23) From: petzul
You saved so much on the machine you can certainly justify a decent 
tamper now.
Still waiting to justify one, here in LHC.
Barry Luterman wrote:

24) From: miKe mcKoffee

25) From: French Lewis
--- Barry Luterman  wrote:
Nice!   I'm sure you will start drinking espresso a
little more often now.
I decided if I got a machine for cheap, the Thor
Tamper would just bring the cost of the machine up to
closer to retail...you are still saving money over
going out and buying a gaggia, especially considering
you would probably still want to get a Thor Tamper for
that machine. 
good luck
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26) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:18 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
    The espresso machine is an accessory to the Thor Tamper, not the 
other way around.
             Jim Gundlach
"The espresso machine is an accessory to the grinder, not the other way 

27) From: AlChemist John
It is true.  Without a good tamper a Mazzer major and a Giotto are not 
going to give you a good shot.  It is all just part of the equation.  So 
the real question is "how can you rationalize NOT buying a Thor Tamper".
Sometime around 18:50 3/31/2005, Barry Luterman typed:
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

28) From: Barry Luterman
You are so right. I bought a Thor Tamper Les is mailing it out Monday. This
is going to be like driving a '47 Ford pick-up while wearing am Armani suit.

29) From: Gene Smith
Agreed.  Now, if it were a '48...
Gene Smith
who learned to drive in one

30) From: Jason Brooks
Barry Luterman wrote:
Groovy!  She's sweet.  Ron and Zara can attest.  I got mine, my first 
espresso machine from Ron.  Debating about taking it to the office.
Jason Brooks
Hanging Out in the Heart of VA,
With HW Gourmet, Poppery, and soon arriving BBQ roasters,
With Bodum Chambord, Cory DRU/DRL/DEO, Magister Home, and a Krups Gusto,
Drinking good coffee with anyone that arrives!

31) From: miKe mcKoffee
Hi Dave,
(cc List 'cuz might be of interest to others)
First no, technically I would not "like" any Gaggia myself! (Except maybe
the Gaggia Factory Lever 'cuz, well, it's a cool looking full blown old
school lever machine:-) Started with a Silvia years ago and since upgraded
to rotary HX Bricoletta so any Gaggia pump machine would be a big step
backwards. However, have considered a Gaggia as travel machine and yes would
then "like" it for myself:-) But yes, I like Gaggias as a reasonably priced
starter option for people.
The Gaggia "Espresso" and "Carezza" are different models, virtually
identical machines on the inside with different skins. Main difference
between these and higher end Gaggias is neither have 3-way valve which means
you must wait for PF pressure to reduce before unlocking PF after shot or
risk hot spray all over, wait something like 30sec or so IIRC, and also
means you can't back flush. Doesn't effect shot itself at all.
I haven't personally used a Zass or Tosser for espresso but Alchemist John
used a Zass with his Gaggia for years and I have compared his Zass grind
shots to Rocky grind shots quite favorably. IMO buying a new Bodum Antigua
targeted for espresso usage would be a mistake, just my opinion (though
echoed by many others) and YMMV.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

32) From: Brian Kamnetz
Dave mentioned purchasing a giant tosser - probably a typo, and means
the Giant Trosser. You may recall that Alchemist John has purchased a
Giant Trosser too and reports that it is superior in performance to
his Zass 169DG.

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