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Topic: Inexpensive espresso machine? (16 msgs / 325 lines)
1) From: Paul Jolly
I can't sit idly by any longer while the list
turns time and time again to the wonders of
espresso.  I love a good espresso (like I can get
in the North Beach of SF) and I'd like to make it
at home.  The drawback?  I don't have hundreds of
$ to lay down for a Pavoni.  Can anyone recommend
a good, inexpensive machine for making espresso? 
I'm hoping there might be something (used) in the
$50 range.
Paul
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Adelaida...
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2) From: Spencer W. Thomas
I got my Krups Novo Compact at ubid.com for $50 including shipping.
It's been good to me so far (going on 2 years at about 1 use per
day).  Right now, they only have a couple of steam-pressure machines,
but if you can wait, something good will probably come along.
=Spencer
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3) From: Ed Needham
I've got a Gaggia Espresso pump machine that I will sell for about $70 US
dollars plus shipping if you are interested.  It's in like new condition.
It was recently replaced by my new commercial La Pavoni #PUBS espresso
machine.
Email me if interested.
Regards,
Ed Needham

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5) From: John - W5JSA
Hey Ed; If he doesn't take it I sure will.
John - way down in deep southern Texas

6) From: Gary
Paul,
  You might want to check out e-bay.  There have been some great deals on
Saeco machines there recently.   The Via Veneto (see review on coffeekid.com)
and the Rio Vapore are both listed there- and far cheaper than retail usually -
depends on the that particular auction.  For the kind of money you are talking
about ($50-$100) these machines are some of the best you will get and they are
often new , but without warranty.
   Worth a try,  but I don't think they will produce as good a shot as your
North Beach spot.
    Gary
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7) From: John C.
 
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I have to step in right here and say that using a Pavoni is easy... as easy 
as espresso can be, that is, which is not terribly easy at all.  Anyone can 
make one work, and anyone can get perfect shot after perfect shot with one.  
I can't remember the last time I pulled a shot that was less than "good".  
At least half of them are "great".  Moving from "good" to "great" is usually 
a matter of adjusting the grind a notch or two one way or the other - 
nothing to do with the Pavoni.  This is my experience, YMMV.  I have never 
used a pump machine, so they may be easier to use.  I can't comment on that.
John C.
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8) From: Dana Kaempen
Anyone have a recommendation on a relatively inexpensive espresso machine 
that still makes a decent shot?  My Saeco went south and may cost too much 
to repair, so I'm wondering what you would recommend as a non-steam toy 
purchase that's under $150.  I'd love to buy a Silvia, but that just can't 
happen for a few years.  I don't mind buying used, but finding a reliable 
used machine can be iffy.  Hey, I bought a new machine on eBay that crapped 
out in 8 months and wasn't even covered by a warranty (much to MY surprise)!
Also, where do you find the best buys on used (or new) espresso machines?
Thanks for any help you can give.
Dana
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9) From: Jim Schulman
Hi Dana,
If you have a good grinder (Maestro or better), the Gaggia machines can't 
be beat for the price, since they have a heavy professional brass group. 
The least expensive new model, the Carezza, is about $200. However, you 
may find refurbs at http://electra-craft.comthat run around $150 (the old Gaggia Espresso, 
predecessor to the Carezza, also has the pro group, but avoid the cheap 
800 watt model, which is rubbish)
If you don't have a good grinder, Gaggias should be avoided, since the 
large pro groups don't work at all with poor grinders.
However, while the make great espresso, the Gaggias aren't particularly 
reliable, although they can be repaired indefinitely and parts are cheap.
For long run reliability, the Solis SL70 at $300 new, $250 refurb, is 
about the least expensive.
Jim Schulman
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10) From: Ben Treichel
Maybe for the short run get a krupps gusto. I got mine for $55. It is a 
pump boiler machine, and you will have a $100 to $150 head start on a 
silvia.
You can also try Whole Latte Love & ask about their returns.
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11) From: jim gundlach
Several of the low end Gaggia pump machines have been going on eBay for 
less than $150.  A reputable competitor of our host puts machines they 
get back under their 30 day money-back no questions asked guarantee on 
eBay and several Gaggia Espressso's that retail for $199 have gone for 
less than $150.  You would have to watch for a while but you can get a 
machine that should last for a couple of years and with a reasonable 
grinder and a little practice tamping you can produce a fair espresso 
with a good quarter of inch of crema.  If I were in your shoes and 
could not afford a Silvia that is what I would probably do.  But, 
knowing what I do now, I would go in debt a few hundred dollars  for a 
Silvia - Rocky combo and have the espresso part of my life unsurpassed.
   Jim Gundlach
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12) From: jim gundlach
Several of the low end Gaggia pump machines have been going on eBay for 
less than $150.  A reputable competitor of our host puts machines they 
get back under their 30 day money-back no questions asked guarantee on 
eBay and several Gaggia Espressso's that retail for $199 have gone for 
less than $150.  You would have to watch for a while but you can get a 
machine that should last for a couple of years and with a reasonable 
grinder and a little practice tamping you can produce a fair espresso 
with a good quarter of inch of crema.  If I were in your shoes and 
could not afford a Silvia that is what I would probably do.  But, 
knowing what I do now, I would go in debt a few hundred dollars  for a 
Silvia - Rocky combo and have the espresso part of my life unsurpassed.
   Jim Gundlach
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13) From: John Abbott
Jim,
Tom doesn't have any competitors! There may be some folks in the same
business - but they aren't competitive!

14) From: jim gundlach
I thought they also carried the Solis line.
Jim Gundlach
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15) From: ginny powell
getting these 30 day back machines would be a real maybe folks, me thinks
sure they may have the 1 year war but if they (we suppose the folks who
bought knew what they were doing) are most likely garbage.
who know where these refurbs really come from?
g

16) From: Rick Farris
Ginny asks:
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Business is funny.  "Authorized dealers" of some products are required, in
order to keep their authorization, to keep prices artificially high.  If
they sell for less they can lose their authorization.
However, if a customer returns a machine, then the retailer can sell it for
any price they see fit.  Sometimes, I've heard from a friend, dealers
actually sell more "refurbs" than they sell new.  Hmm....how could that
happen?  Well, it could happen because the retailer is actually selling new
machines as refurb.
A good example is that lady on eBay that sells the Solis M5K Digital for
~$600.
-- Rick
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