official conference host of SCAA is Starbucks? ok, works for you... they are small , speciality?http://www.illwillpress.com/coffeehouse.htmlginny
Sam: Thanks, I found it very funny............. but remember I am the outcast. g
I am still laughing my butt (ass) off.... ginny
Bob: I just discovered it and am in love... thanks for the comment. ginny
ry funny Gary but I wold lke a bit more hair! g
You, dear Brett, are my one and only escort. Please explain to your dear wife Debbie. g
<Snip> They were, as always, invisible ... even as sponsors. Does anyone understand this, or have a reference from another industry? I guess they figure they have nothing to gain by really being participants. I mean literally, they are not on any panels, any cuppings, and I suppose there MUST be a couple of them there, but I don't know who they are, and they certainly don't announce themselves. There's other companies that keep a pretty low profile. Peets has people there, but they never have a booth or anything. But with starbucks it's just eerie, especially when a 3 block walk in downtown Seattle means passing a half dozen starbucks! The show was so-so for me, by far the best part was seeing people I know which means a handful of you all and a handful of green/roaster folks I like. There was little to report, no new home roasters, quite a few people showing 1/2 to 1 lb sample roasters but all with a pretty healthy price tag on them, and no oustanding features. Most of these I have seen: Sta Impianti, Petrocini, italian co.s. And I discovered that Pabst on tap is a pretty refreshing drink... I have some photos and junk to put up tonite or tomorrow. I am dead tired and had to come back and go straight to the Probat to roast 150 Lbs for the orders in the AM. Tom -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria http://www.sweetmarias.com Thompson Owen george
Thanks Ginny, that was great! On 4/18/05, ginny wrote: <Snip> pe"> <Snip> net <Snip>
<Snip> Those who trade money for their integrity are rightfully called whores. I thought SCAA was better than that.
Tom writes (in part): <Snip> My guess is that it is a convenient way to keep tabs on the competition. We tend to think of Starbucks as monolithic, but it is worth remembering that their success came totally out of left field and I think they are keeping an eye on whence they came for ideas and trends. It is fashionable on this list to bash Starbucks, but amongst all the grousing I've not heard anybody criticize their business model. Which shows that, while grumpy, we're actually pretty smart, because Starbucks is plenty clever where business is concerned. I think their presence - and, I think we may safely assume, close observance - of the rest of the specialty coffee scene reinforces my point. They aren't thinking like the General Motors of coffee...assuming that no good ideas or meaningful competition can come from anywhere but another giant competitor. I think they (probably rightly) assume that any profitable new ideas will come from the same source that they did. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:23pm, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> Well, I've dealt with Starbucks corporate in the past and they seem to act pretty monolithically... But of course, just because they keep a low profile at the conference doesn't mean that they don't benefit financially from sponsoring it. I have no doubt there are special "receptions" and other meetings with a select invitation list (i.e., producers, brokers, etc. whom they want special deals from) where they conduct substantial business, twist a lot of arms and generally try to create a favorable impression of themselves -- not unlike biomedical conferences where the drug companies, who often sponsor them, do the same. John Blumel
Ginny, Foamy is one of the best social commentators out there. The SmallMediumLarge rant still rates as one of my favorites. Bob
ginny wrote: official conference host of SCAA is Starbucks? http://www.illwillpress.com/coffeehouse.htmlThis probably should have been titled "What if Ginny was a cartoon character." ;-) You're still my favorite (person) Gin ! Gary
On 4/19/05, David B. Westebbe wrote: <Snip> How exactly does SCAA lose integrity over having Starbucks as a sponsor to the show? As far as what I have heard here, Starbucks is nigh unto invisible. If Starbucks is exerting some untoward influence, perhaps you would be correct. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com
Actually, Starbucks was not entirely invisible. At the Keynote Speech & Conference Welcome event, one of their officials (I don't remember his = exact title but he may have been their top corporate marketing guy) gave a = conference welcoming speech and showed a comedy video from the Letterman show, I = believe, spoofing Starbucks drinks, in the run up to Jane Goodall's keynote = address. Bob Yellin (apologizing for top-posting) <Snip> whores. <Snip> unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
Justin Marquez wrote: <Snip> FYI all, the founders of Starbucks help found the SCAA. While the old-timers in the SCAA may question the balance of the organization (commercial vs. promoting good coffee) it is tough to live up to the standards that CSA expects while running and organization that huge. Maybe this was their way of helping the industry since I don't think that Strabucks 'needs' the SCAA. <Snip> -- Life in the fast lane ...... It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of aribica that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Bob Yellin wrote: <Snip> with threaded email clients I think top posting is the way to go. <Snip> -- Life in the fast lane ...... It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of aribica that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ... I still have dibs on the escort... Brett On 4/19/05, ginny wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
She said Yes, Of Course! Brett On 4/20/05, ginny wrote: <Snip> wife Debbie. <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!