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Topic: cleaning (23 msgs / 570 lines)
1) From: David Johnson
It must be spring with all these cleaning questions.
I also have a question. I seem to have read somewhere that there are some
products that shouldn't be used to clean the E-santos, but can't find the
post. I have some Cafiza. Woulsd that be ok? Of course the manual says the
only thing to use is Bodum's own product.
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Bodum includes a packet their "branded" cleaner, which is actually just 
CleanCaf I'm fairly certain, sure looks and acts the same. I've been using 
Cleancaf to clean my Bodum eVacs for quite some time.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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3) From: David M. Lewis
At 11:03 AM -0500 4/29/05, David Johnson wrote:
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Cafiza would be way too harsh for the polycarbonate in the E-Santos. 
Get some Clearly Coffee from our hosts. If you want something while 
Tom's figuring out where it is, pick up some denture cleaning tablets 
at the drug store.
Best,
	David
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"A fool and his money are soon elected."
	- Kinky Friedman

4) From: MSMB
Was going to clean my automatic drip pots with white vinegar.  Are there any
recommended proportions of vinegar to water or how much does one use if
undiluted.  
MSMB
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5) From: Ken Schillinger
I don't remember what the recommended amount of white vinegar is, but I have 
always used "a couple glugs" from the bottle, which would be about 1/4C to 
the reservoir and top off with water. Run the batch through, then at least 
one rinse cycle with plain water. This has worked just fine for me. I don't 
have hard water, but there is some mineral content.
Best regards, Ken.

6) From: John and Emma
Myself I always used it undiluted. I ran a quarter of a pot through twice.
Then I would run two full pots of clean water to rinse. It always worked
great for me.
John H.

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Vinegar works great cleaning coffee brewers, or does it? How do you know? 
Years ago we used a drip brewer and used very similar cleaning procedure,
undiluted white vinegar run through twice. (Except always used pull pot of
vinegar.) Wondered how well it really worked. Tried some bottled "coffee
cleaners" available grocery stores, using them after the vinegar and rinse
to see if any additional "dirtiness" could be detected. Never did. BUT then
later learned about Cleancaf and again wondered if that "expensive stuff Tom
sells" was really any good. "Bit the bullet" for the ridiculously expensive
~$1.50 per cleaning Cleancaf and tested. First did a couple straight white
vinegar cycles, couple water flush cycles, then a pack of Cleancaf cycle.
Ripped off! Not by the Cleancaf, AFTER vinegar cleaning and rinsing the
Cleancaf cycle came out rather funky, no ripped off for years thinking
vinegar was a good cleaner. Fairly certain the "why" is vinegar works as a
descaler, not a cleaner to dissolve built up coffee oils. OTOH Cleancaf is a
cleaner and mild descaler.
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8) From: Seth Grandeau
So, miKe, do you now use both or just Cleancaf?
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9) From: Dave
We have very hard water and I've always done it the way John does. I use a
filter to catch the chunks that come through, and run the hot vinegar
through again, maybe even a couple times, depending on how long its been
since the last time.
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Dave
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10) From: miKe mcKoffee
Neither, don't use a drip brewer. Prior to getting rid of drip used Cleancaf
only. Also used strictly Cleancaf for Bodum Electric Vac that replaced drip.
(Until giving up on eVac's after multiple of them cracking from heat
stress.) Cleancaf does what vinegar does PLUS better cleaning of the rancid
oils. 
Now whatever coffee device needs cleaning or descaling use Cafiza or
Purocaff etc. (in proper dilution for particular device) for cleaning and
citric acid for descaling.
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11) From: Brian Salwasser
If I can throw my 2 cents in...I agree with miKe here.  I ran vinegar and
even baking soda through our drip brewer a few times, but then I decided to
purchase a bottle of Joe Glo.  I have ran it through the drip brewer, and
used it as a soaking liquid for my FP.  It's worked great for both.  My wife
and I were shocked at the sparkling clean carafe.
It's rather enjoyable to again drink coffee untainted from nasty oils.
Brian
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12) From: Poutinen, Jay
Use a full pot of 50/50 vinegar and water.  Then run a couple pots of clean water to rinse.
From: homeroast-bounces [homeroast-bounces] On Behalf Of MSMB [msmb]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:36 AM
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Subject: [Homeroast] cleaning
Was going to clean my automatic drip pots with white vinegar.  Are there any
recommended proportions of vinegar to water or how much does one use if
undiluted.
MSMB
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13) From: Ira
At 09:50 AM 10/3/2008, you wrote:
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If all you want to do is clean a glass carafe of coffee stains, a bit 
of bleach in a carafe full of water does wonders.  But don't put 
bleach through the brewer, jut put it in the carafe, also works good 
for glass thermos bottles.
Ira
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14) From: Robert Yoder
Greetings, group,
The sanitizing hand-wipes available at grocery-stores' front doors have many uses.  I've found them great for removing the schmutz (sp?) from steering-wheels, and interior cleaning of my Behmor.  I save them in a plastic bag.  If they dry out, they can be refreshed with a little bit of water.  Best of all:  they're free to us!
Try 'em;  you'll be surprised!
sent from my kitchen counter
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15) From: slinkster
Robert Yoder wrote:
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Well, not really.  The cost of those wipes is factored into the profit 
margin of the store, which means higher prices at the checkout counter.
A package of WetWipes costs about a buck.  Or you could just keep a 
bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol (75 cents) and an old washrag in your 
glovebox.
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16) From: Ryan M. Ward
Perhaps you are technically correct, but his point is still valid in
practice, either way we have to pay the price for the wipes when we buy
our doughnuts, whether we actually use them or not- so in effect the
marginal cost of taking and accumulating the wipes during a given store
visit is zero relative to a similar visit in which we do not take the
wipes.
Further, I imagine that the wipes present a very minor impact on the
store's P&L relative to all things considered. 
Now sure, the argument can be made that if we all started grabbing wipes
every time we visited the store then that line item on the companies
P&L statement would start to increase and we could probably expect
to see store prices increase to compensate. I have two thoughts on this:
1) Given the swine flu epidemic/pandemic, I speculate without data that
the number of wipes being used in stores has increased dramatically.
Thus it seems plausible to suspect that this increased usage (which I
speculate will be in large part temporary) has already been factored
into the companies budget and is reflected in the price accordingly.
2) Regarding everybody grabbing wipes all at once: sure- this is true in
theory but I do not think the roasting list has that great of an
ability to move such economic indicators as sanitizing wipes (no
offence). Since sanitizing wipes are not particularly a rare commodity, I see no reason to be concerned here.
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Ryan M. Ward
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17) From: Robert Yoder
Folks,
This seems a bit of overthink, me thinks.  Of course nothing is free - hence my modifier. My point is that if you take one to wipe your hands as intended, put it in your pocket and use it again for other things. This goes to material frugality, not spendthriftiness.
I trust the truthiness of this is clear to all but the engineers among us!
robert
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18) From: raymanowen
I called the Kid and asked her if they [Archivers] have the "free" wipes and
how much it costs them.
"Oh my God- probably just a generic Clorox or Lysol wipe. Never mind, how
cheap they are that way. Would you drink coffee processed by that machine?
Starbucks would get an express Shutdown order if they did that. Take it to
the bank, Pop- " - - - Sarah Owen
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19) From: Robert Yoder
My goodness, this has taken an odd tack!
I don't brew coffee in my Behmor, and haven't figured out how to brew with the steering wheel either.  Is there some kind of cabin fever going on here?
I suppose if you have no other mountain-making supplies, you can try to make one out of my suggestion of an additional use or two for self-used sanitizing wipes (rather than simply tossing them).
robert yoder
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20) From: Ryan M. Ward
Oh spoil all of the logical fun will you!
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21) From: John A C Despres
And yet, no one's quoted Lady Macbeth, yet...
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22) From: Robert Yoder
Spot on!
robert yoder 
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23) From: Ryan M. Ward
By popular demand:
"Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?"
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