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Topic: my new baby :) (19 msgs / 347 lines)
1) From: Peter Zulkowski
Well, It is new to me anyway.
I feel like I am almost in the big time.
Just picked up an older version Gaggia Baby, the wedge shaped one, at a 
thrift store for ten dollars!
Soon they will have an Andreja??? ( Just wishing).
Could not pass up this buy, even though it has held me back a bit from 
saving for an e61 machine.
Plugged it in and it heated, but the pump was stuck.
As it heated I just kept turning the pump switch on and off, rapidly.
Finally it made a noise like a klaxon horn.
It works!
Luckily I did not have to take this one apart to get the pump freed up.
When it heats up for 20 minutes or so it really makes lots of steam.
To help clean it I filled the reservoir half full and then added white 
vinegar to fill it completely. Whew, that stuff stinks! But I think the 
steam valve is working smoother now.
It is just sitting on the counter now, plugged in, turned on. Not sure 
what else to do with it at this point. No leaks that I am aware of.
Probably will next try some espresso.
He hee, it came with one of those plastic tampers!
Better than my thumbs I guess.
Now that I have a real espresso machine, I need to get a real tamper huh?
The best thing I guess is to flush it through with a few reservoirs full 
of clear water, then try making a cuppa.
Any ideas or suggestions of what else I may need to do to it?
All I have roasted is Harrar and Monsooned Malabar.
Any suggestions of what I can roast and get a good espresso with only a 
short rest?
Do I have to wait three days to see how this really works?
PeterZ
Have to go try something, maybe MM, here in LHC.

2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Congrats on the great deal! I'd immediately order a new grouphead gasket and 
screen and give it a good CleanCaf flush at the minimum.
miKe
From: "Peter Zulkowski" 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:56 PM
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3) From: Peter Zulkowski
Mike,
I think you are correct. The gasket does leak a bit. How do you flush 
with CleanCaf? Just fill the reservoir and pump it through?
Thanks for your help.
PeterZ
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4) From: miKe mcKoffee
From: "Peter Zulkowski" 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:12 PM
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Yes. Empty the reservoir. Disolve one packet Cleancaf in a cup of hotwater, 
dump in reservoir. Add three more cups water making 4 cups water per 
Cleancaf directions. Run it all through saving it in a bowl. I believe you 
get better results running a few ounces, wait for temp to come back up, run 
a few more ounces, wait again etc. Rinse empty reservoir. Fill completely 
with fresh (preferably properly filtered) water and run it all through, 
repeat rinse twice. (Total three tanks) Soak PF, grouphead screen etc in the 
bowl of saved Cleancaf solution for an hour or so...
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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5) From: Peter Zulkowski
That sounds easy enough :)
Now to get some Clean Caf.
They must sell it somewhere... here in LHC.
PeterZ
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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6) From: Frank Haist
Mike,
    One question on these instructions. The Cleancaf is a great cleaner 
and descaler for the boiler, but I think (and I don't know for sure) 
that it would be better to use something like Cafiza  for the PF, 
screen, etc. soak. Somewhere I read, and of course I can't find it now 
so it may be in my imagination, that the Cafiza did a better job on the 
coffee oils. Please, correct me if I'm mistaken. On the other hand, I do 
know NEVER to put Cafiza through the boiler.
---Frank
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Frank,
Correcto mundo. Urnex (Cafiza) mucho stronger cleaner, which is what I use 
for PF. And use for backflushing. But since Peter has the Baby without 3-way 
valve he can't backflush so figured if soak PF in Cleancaf a good half hour 
to an hour probably do a decent job. That way wouldn't need to buy both. But 
you are right, best to use the Cleancaf through the boiler and Cafiza for 
the soaks. I have both myself so he can too!
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:41 PM
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8) From: jlronk
tom's gaggia baby page lists it as having  3 way valve as does mine of 
somewhat earlier vintage. do some of the older ones not have it?
-jeff
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9) From: Ed Needham
The Gaggia Baby has a three way valve.  You'll need a 'blind' filterbasket 
to 'backflush' the Baby.  That's one that has no filter holes.  You add a 
half teaspoon of espresso machine cleaner like Urnex and cycle the pump a 
few times.  The cleaner is sucked through the three way valve and cleans the 
coffee oils as it flushes through.  You need to do it several times and dump 
the residue from the blind filterbasket a few times to assure fresh water is 
all that is left.
Someone with a Baby might have more specific information.
*********************
Ed Needham
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ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] somewhere in the subject line of any email correspondence)
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10) From: miKe mcKoffee
Come to think of it I wasn't thinking and was thinking of the Gaggia 
Espresso model not the Baby! I do believe you be correct, it does indeed 
have 3 way valve, my bad. So backflushing to clean grouphead highly likely 
the way to go. Being used probably descaling tank too...
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:16 PM
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11) From: Peter Zulkowski
Please tell me what a 3 way valve is. Is it something you turn or is it 
automatic?
Thanks,
PeterZ
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12) From: jlronk
its automatic. basically releases the pressure automatically after shot 
is pulled. allows you take out the pf immediately w/o splattering the 
grounds everywhere also leaves a dryer puck. used too for back flushing 
tho i have never done that.
-jeff
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13) From: miKe mcKoffee
From: "jlronk" 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:21 PM
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Do you have anyone who lives nearby who has an espresso machine that does 
backflush? If so ask them over for a visit and backflush. Hopefully you 
atleast run Cleancaf through the tank monthly. When Greg brought his 3 month 
old Silvia over for help with the PID, I Cafiza backflushed it after the PID 
operation. He said he thought she was clean and was shocked how dirty it was 
in only 3 months use.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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14) From: jlronk
i've been a bad parent to my baby. i have never backflushed or used 
cleancaf. that said i am a somewhat infrequent user. my only regular 
maintenence is to take off the filter screen and clean under that.
-jeff
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15) From: Frank Haist
Just thought I'd pass this along. Keep in mind that backflushing could 
potentially void your warranty on a Silvia. That said, a gunked up 
three-way valve that requires a rebuild is no picnic either. I backflush 
my Silvia weekly and am amazed at how dirty it can get with only 
moderate use (my definition of moderate, my wife would characterize it 
differently   ;-) ). Here's an instruction page for backflushing that 
I've found helpful:http://home.surewest.net/frcn/Coffee/HowToBackflush.html---Frank
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16) From: miKe mcKoffee
Frank, do you Cafiza backflush weekly? I had been Cafiza monthly and water 
only backflush after each shot session. Cafiza backflushed earlier today 
(after two weeks) and while not too bad noticably funky. Definitely going to 
up my schedule. Weekly sounds like a good idea.
miKe
From: "Frank Haist" 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:54 PM
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17) From: miKe mcKoffee
That's ok, your baby will treat you in kind in the cup!
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "jlronk" ">http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "jlronk" 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:32 PM
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18) From: Frank Haist
Hi Mike,
     Yes, I've moved to weekly. What I found was that shots, 
particularly ristrettos, were consistently sweeter (perhaps restrained 
in bitterness is the better term). Otherwise, I ended up noticing a drop 
off in taste through the second week.
---Frank
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19) From: Frank Haist
Aint that the truth!
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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