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Topic: Need input (15 msgs / 298 lines)
1) From: ginny
Linda:
I think you should seriously look at Sweet Maria's offerings in that range.
The Silva and the Gaggia are fabulous machines.
ginny

2) From: Linda
My espresso machine just expired and am looking for a new one on a tight
budget. Have been trying to figure out best for the budget (under 450). All
input appreciated. 
Saw a La Pavoni "Cafe Portofino" Espresso Machine, any comments?
Linda in Lakeside 
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
If $450 the absolute EOB (end of budget;-) Gaggia Baby or Le'Lit PL041 
likely good choices. Le'Lit newer in the consumer espresso arena I believe 
but I'd look hard at it over the Baby personally. I still think for $50 more 
Rancilio Silvia a better value: proven quality construction, huge user base 
for usage support, excellent re-sale value, more standard and 
interchangeable PF grouphead size.
Good luck, I know it's a tough decision.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:53 PM
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4) From: Les
Mike is right! You really need to go the extra $50.00 and get a Miss Silvia=
 
or a Gaggia Classic.
 Les
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5) From: Frank Haist
Mike, I think you mentioned it here. The reasonable resale value for a 
Silvia would mean that a good used Silvia, if used is acceptable (or 
"buyers remorse"), is in the range. Same with the Gaggia (although I'd 
put a higher recommendation for the Silvia).
---Frank
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6) From: Alchemist John
My biased vote is for a Gaggia Classic.  It is what I have and I have no 
upgrade fever with it.
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Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

7) From: Peter Zulkowski
Is there much difference internally between the Classic and the Baby?
Thanks,
PeterZ
Loves his Baby, here in LHC.
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
SS vs Plastic and smaller reservoir.
miKe
From: "Peter Zulkowski" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:55 PM
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9) From: Peter Zulkowski
Thanks Mike,
Plastic is okay. Small reservoir is okay. Anything else?
PeterZ
Wonders still, since all he has is his thrift store Baby, here in LHC.
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10) From: miKe mcKoffee
Personally, I'd want to confirm whether it has an aluminum boiler. Any 
Gaggia for that matter. If for no other reason many espresso machine 
cleaners and or descalers specifically warn against using on aluminum.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "Peter Zulkowski" ">http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "Peter Zulkowski" 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:06 PM
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11) From: Peter Zulkowski
Hi Mike,
The SM web site gives a nice report on Gaggia's, and says that hey do 
have an aluminum boiler. They also mention what you just said. Some 
cleaners should not be used in it. Since it seems to work okay, as far 
as my somewhat limited experience can tell, it is worth my effort to get 
the chemicals from SM that they recommend.
It does work better than the Estro Vapore I got, has lots more power. I 
like the larger porta filter, and it somehow seems a lot less messy to 
use. Must be the larger diameter PF and the three way valve.
PeterZ
Still looking for a used Andreja or similar, in a thrift store, here in LHC.
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12) From: Alchemist John
No need to confirm - all Gaggia have aluminum boilers - that is the one 
item that seems to cause controversy in Gaggia.  I went for it and so far 
have had no problems.
And aside from that, again, those are the only differences in the Baby and 
Classic (external shell).  Internals are the same (up to the 3 way valve in 
the Classic, I don't recall if the Baby has one).
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13) From: miKe mcKoffee
Yes the Baby has 3-way. I was only mentioning the aluminum boiler as an 
awareness factor from a cleaner standpoint. Which actually doesn't make a 
lot of sense to me. Cafiza is meant to be used back flushing not through the 
tank yet it is recommended by some (like Tom) NOT to use it with a Gaggia 
because of the aluminum boiler. But back flushing doesn't flush through the 
boiler! Correction, Tom mentions not using Cafiza in the context of running 
it through the boiler, which is wasn't meant to be anyway! Though Cafiza 
does include directions for running it "through" home coffee brewers so 
someone could mistakenly interpret that as through the tank on espresso 
machine.
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "Alchemist John" ">http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "Alchemist John" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:07 AM
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14) From: R.N.Kyle
Found this from a espresso dealer that has stopped selling Gaggia's for the
reason stated below. This came of the web site.
* Unfortunately, these aluminum boilers in Gaggia traditional espresso
machines tend to corrode using certain types of water. In addition, the
Gaggia traditional espresso machines for the home are the only machines we
ever experienced whereby the aluminum boilers would crack and leak.
This is not my opinion as I have no experience with a gaggia. I do know that
in my research all the Gaggia I ran across had aluminum boilers. I do
believe since that I have heard of one now that has a SS boiler but I can't
recall which one.
RK

15) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
Thanks, Ron.  I'm trying to get educated to buy an espresso machine,
so info about maintenance/upkeep is really helpful.
-- 
Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO
For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew
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