Welcome back Mike: Had you continued to READ you would have learned that the forum you seek is in the brewing. From the sound of your note, you may not be able to hang on too long. ginny
David, you will not!! ginny
Les: I am in "be good mode" remember? I am just curious why Mike (read not MM) had to announce to the list how worthless we were, how we did not stimulate him (I do not remember anything on the sign up page about stimulating Mike), why does he just not leave. Obviously he lurks around for some stimulation, we must try harder! ginny
good pointy Tom, I like the idea of "fringe involvement". ginny
depends on how many days rest you get? long trip. ginny
Martin: I am at a loss for words... Please start any Yaaaahoooooooooooo group you want. Martin please do somethng about this and watch your butt. ginny
you are right Jason, plain text is great... thinking about this a bit ago I suppose if you want to make change or have a specific topic on any list you must contribute. I am not sure anyone who reads this list also read minds! ginny off to have horse with gobbs of blueberry...
Hey Gene my lad: Do have a bully list? ginny, your other sister
Brent: Consider yourself a SMB (sweet maria bully) be proud! ginny I will forward your name to the master of the smb list gene "wild man" smith
we be getting sign ups? g
sure you remember, the blood pact and everything? g
Peter, dear one: You are way too nice a guy to offend anyone. That does not mean you are a wimp, you are a really nice person. ginny
<Snip> meaningful and why you might want to read them.<<< I think many people have addressed this point, they enjoy the chatty stuff and feel that is what sets this list apart; unless you have developed some type of conversation with anyone here you would most likely not want to read the chatty stuff. Most posts seem to end that way, chatty that is. ginny
Scott: Geez, you left out way too many post for this to be useful. sorry, ginny
Scott: I just wanted you to know that you are the first, read number one, to recei= ve the: Twisted Pink Panty Award This award is given to the idiot who seems to hang on the longest to a dead= subject! You win. ginny send me your address and your award will be sent asap.
I am always on the lam, government stuff, taxes and the like. The panties will be washed, the twist is what you can take and we hand deli= ver. ginny
Doug: Very funny. g
Paul: More or less what this conversation has been about. Regardless of the format any list is hard to follow for many reasons. Make what you can and enjoy. ginny
Paul: Yes and no. It started as something quite different and I did not mention "time" in my last post so you must have been thinking back to another when I did. See what happens. No big deal; I was just saying I love the list. Have a great evening. ginny
Long ago I was on this list but stopped because it turned into a social clubwith vastly more posts than I wished to take the trouble to delete with= no so many having anything useful to say about coffee, roasting it, brewing= it, etc. So, when I thought I would give it another look, I got it in diges= t form (which by the way, Tom, is nearly unreadable -- no, it is unreadable)= because then I could take a quick look and then delete anywhere from 25-35= posts at one click. Marvelous. I read something about a threaded forum. That would be just the ticket. But= as it is, it is nearly useless. -- Mike
I must apologise as one who frequently drags things off topic. I will try to do better. <Snip>
At 04:50 PM 6/11/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Can your Email client sort the messages? I use Eudora and sort all mail list traffic into a "mail list" mailbox. I then have the mailbox set to sort on the subject line. Works fine for me. With a couple exceptions, all the posts line up with all the like subjects together just like a threaded BBS. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
Mike, You get a free threaded forum when you use Google Mail. If you would like an invite just drop me a note off list. The digest form has always had a terrible time with HTML in the posts. I have a friend that would off list me whenever I responded in HTML - knowing that I didn't want to clobber the list. The list should be set to reject HTML. My mail program accomplishes this for me, but I don't do Windows. BUT.. the list is FAR FAR from useless. Non-coffee chatter is essential in developing friendships on the list - friendships that lead to PNWG-III or the Upcoming Texas or Iowa meets. John - releasing the bandwidth to the more serious responders On 6/11/05, Mike Geis wrote: <Snip> th <Snip> ng <Snip> re <Snip> <Snip>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 for what it's worth, I'm using thunderbird as my email client, and you can view the contents of this list in threads...then, you can choose to ignore certain threads, and only display the rest...or, you can tell it to only show threads that have unread messages. I don't think the only solution is server-side. Many lists generate this kind of traffic, and a good email client can go miles toward making them manageable. for what it's worth, of course. - -john Mike Geis wrote: <Snip> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCrc1eK3h2CZwO/4URAuNqAKChhHRw7w3M4TzROvmp5i81v4XZWACdH1rm YiROy7M2hj7Qn9LZ3/K56+I= =ywSQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Mike, Set your software to 'Group Messages by Conversation.' That way, = you can just ignore the threads you don't like. If you complaining about = the time it takes to delete posts then I suggest just ignoring the ones = you don't want to read, since that is the method with the least time = investment. Or, use a dedicated newsgroup reader like Xnews. Dan
You guys are being too nice to Mike. I would say, get a life! This is a fun= and educational list. If I want to be bored, I go and look at the Royal Coffee list and see all the coffees coming into port! If you want to see another group that has fun, go to the "toomuchcoffee" site. I get almost as= much fun checking out the European group as I do on this list. This a full= spectrum list. I like the way it has stretched and pushed me to try things= that I wouldn't have considered had things been as narrowly defined as Mike= seems to want the group. This new discussion on PIDing a pump????? My first= thought, you're nuts! My pondering through the threads has me thinking a lo= t more of what really happens with that pump kicks in and blasts hot water through the puck. So thanks again to the group for stretching me! If you want good cupping and coffee reading---just read Tom's great cupping reviews. Les On 6/13/05, Dan Bollinger wrote: <Snip> u <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> nt. <Snip> <Snip> th <Snip> ng <Snip> est <Snip> ) <Snip> 5 <Snip> <Snip>
His subjective "nearly worthless" only makes him border-line malcontent and barely worthy of fringe involvement...
I actually think this list is totally worthless. That's why I'm here... Angelo Living a slow life in the fast lane.... <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
Ginny, You're kidding? You missed the big black letterson the signup? :) My raison d'etre is to stimulate Mike. I thought it was a list requirement! Now, on to today's stimulation: If an SCTO roaster leaves Philadelhpia at 350 deg. heading west to St. Louis and an RK Drum roaster leaves Alberta with a roaring fire, how long will it take for the blueberry to show in the Harrar? -- Brent Stimulating to the Last Drop! Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/13/05, ginny wrote: <Snip> worthless we were, how we did not stimulate him (I do not remember anything= on the sign up page about stimulating Mike), why does he just not <Snip>
Watch out for that door - don't let it hit you on the way out. You might also want to unsubscribe - we look forward to your formal request for unsubscription... Brett On 6/11/05, Mike Geis wrote: <Snip> th <Snip> ng <Snip> re <Snip> <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
I've felt for a long time that the list was not worth the time. Not so much for the content, which is often invaluable, but more for the impossible amount of quoting and especially the MIME garbage. Why don't we just move this to a Yahoo group? The days of text-based groups are LONG gone. Tom - please do something about this. It's long overdue. Martin
Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> Hey, don't just dismiss what he had to say without considering it. I used to post on here much more frequently than I do now (which is hardly ever), but I stopped because the amount of traffic the list gets now is more than I can handle. There are still threads that interest me, but I have trouble sifting through all the mail that this homeroast list generates. There's something about seeing 140 new messages in the homeroast folder that's intimidating. I guess where I differ from the original poster is that I think if I wanted to change the way a mailing list operates, the best way would be to dive in and start generating the kind of content I'd like to see, and hope that my participation would attract other like-minded folks. I've never seen someone post something petulant like "This list sucks. I think it should have different content." and have anything constructive come of it. All the same - it was poorly phrased, but he has a good point. If there was a web-based forum with a user-friendly interface, it would make it easier for casual list readers like myself to participate. As things stand, the volume of traffic can be overwhelming. I also don't think suggesting people start using Gmail is all that helpful. I know I'm not about to stop using Thunderbird JUST so I can participate in this mailing list. It's cool, but not worth changing my email habits over. --Cedrick
From: "Martin Reuben" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:33 PM <Snip> Oh boy, this again! (and don't blame me this time;-) If you've been on the List a long time as you say you should know Tom IS doing something about an alternative format: he's working to add a Forum style. (NOTE: add not replace!!!!) Personally my favorite worthless list of the day comment was made by Angelo: "I actually think this list is totally worthless. That's why I'm here..." Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee 3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
<Snip> Tag- I'm it. Now, I understand what you are saying. However, all the world doesn't use HTML enabled mail apps. Furthermore, email wasn't built for HTML, that's the web. The HTML only adds size without much usable information. If you ever have the chance, take a look at an HTML message in pine, mutt, mail, or whatever. Not pretty at all! There is nothing wrong with plain text mail. Respectfully, Jason
I am rather fond of text and have found it instrumental in effective written communication... Then again I never understood why they called it a mouse...
Hi Cedrick, Of course, you are correct. Well made points on this one... Regards, Brett Mason P.S. that's 3 more emails I have contributed since the concern of too many emails has been elevated.... On 6/13/05, Cedrick Stanton wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
He's just mad because his left hand fell asleep on him :O Most topics even the replies to them, have what the general thread, is in the header. That key off to the right on your keyboard that says delete... Learn how to use it, it is almost as functional as that elusive 'any' key. Now on the off topic... but is it supposed to be ON topic,.. for being off / on / off topic. List nearly worthless. If you are anal retentive and demand just coffee and nothing else, then perhaps yes it is worthless. We even have fights and disagreements and get snotty with each other, kind of like any other family / group / etc might do from time to time. God save us for acting like a normal group of over 3 people would. Ovarall though if one can spare 5 minutes of their time to read through the letters, they generally can learn something. It might be something handy, it might be something educational, it might even just be a 'whoops' what NOT to do. Sorry if we don't fit into your perfect little structured microcosym world you live in where everything is always on topic and not too hot, not too cold. but Juuuuust right. Just out of curiosity though, since you think the list is so worthless, why didn't you just quietly quit it, why announce how terrible all of us little children are acting? Was that supposed to be some form of chastisement or something? Perhaps it was something to make you feel better about yourself or .. superior in some way ::shrug:: Im just curious if I should feel bad, or say there's the door, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. Aaron ginny wrote: <Snip>
C'mon Aaron, Don't be hard on the Stepford families, especially the Stepford wives! Brett On 6/13/05, Aaron wrote: <Snip> . <Snip> worthless we were, how we did not stimulate him (I do not remember anythin= g on the sign up page about stimulating Mike), why does he just not <Snip> fun <Snip> as <Snip> ll <Snip> gs <Snip> ike <Snip> rst <Snip> lot <Snip> you <Snip> e <Snip> ment. <Snip> with <Snip> wing <Snip> igest <Snip> le) <Snip> -35 <Snip> cribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
<Snip> Me, too, Angelo...to both. And the third one, too, come to think of it. Gene Smith still trying not to become road kill, in Houston
<Snip> I dunno, Brett...I was hoping for several of them, myself... Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
"Nobody knows when the Blueberry shows, Nobody knows but me" A paraphrase from "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)" Edison Lighthouse - 1970 Connelley (in Rural Nebraska) On Jun 13, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip>
Mike, I'm sure you've heard the story about the guy joining a group where all the jokes were so familiar that they assigned numbers to them to save time. Of course the poor butt of the joke stands up and yells 54 and gets a polite snicker - to which his host says - some people can tell a joke - some can't. In light of that I think we should just assign numbers to some of these constantly rehashed subjects like endo/exo/thermic, html, top or bottom replies, leaving the list, etc. We could then number the responses like "oh I'm hurt" "don't let the door hit you" " I am not a (fill in the blank)" Then when I get all bent out of shape I can just post a subject line of #6 and everyone can post their response with #1 or #2 or #3 You heartless slob! So, 214, 11, 9 and don't you ever do that again. John - who's really a #19 On 6/13/05, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> o <Snip> e <Snip> an <Snip> lo: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
Here is some stimulation for poor Worthless Mike, If he is ever traveling= the I-5 through Oregon, I will serve him a fine triple LM ristretto of Keny= a Kora cinnamon roasted! That should get him going! Les On 6/13/05, Connelley Barton wrote: <Snip>
In most mail clients you can set it to threaded view. Just set a filter to divert all homeroast mail to go into it's own folder (I do this with all my groups), then view that folder in threaded view and select groups of messages you wish to just delete. I'll admit - this is the only group I'm on where occasionally and sometimes too often there's a slugfest that should really be taken offlist, but there's still tons of useful info here as well. At least with threading you can select the crap and delete it and still get the benefits of the on-topic and constructive discussion. There is, frankly, no other roasting list of quite the caliber of Tom's list, interruptions of sanity notwithstanding - the only reason I'm still here after over 4 years of watching the periodic flaming soap opera unfold. I do hope you can overlook the occasional... diversion... and remain to benefit from the coffee roasting discussion that really does (I promise) occur here as well as contribute with your own experiences... Cheers, Mike --http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/ Mike Geis wrote: <Snip>
If he had said that the volume was a problem well that's one thing. But he said we weren't stimulating. That's insulting. I may be stupid, ignorant, an idiot, bad spelllr, short sighted But I always find myself stimulating. Actually the volume is high and I often don't have time to read it so I delete messages en-mas, but not because of content. I even like to read posts by people I don't agree with. Mike's problem pretty much boils down to that he is not interested in the posts. Well if that's so he should leave. If I were bored by all of you I would leave. It shouldn't be a big deal, you don't have to make a political statement. Just "it's been nice see ya around". SK On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Cedrick Stanton wrote: <Snip>
Cedrick Stanton wrote: [snip] <Snip> I really have no idea why people have a problem. Most email programs will created threaded conversations and that makes them a whole lot easier to skip. I don't even bother deleting them, I might need them for searches in the future. I use Thunderbird too. I have all the list mail sorted into a folder, and have it set to view by threads and only the unread ones. I skip threads I don't care to read or don't have time and focus on the ones that I do. Then when I'm done I right-click on the folder and select mark all as read. Boom, I'm starting fresh next time. That is way simpler than most systems and way better than digest where you have to scan down through post and apparently it has problems with the HTML coding (I avoid that stuff anyway, don't like HTML in emails, just use text). Thunderbird works great for reading this group and has plenty of management abilities to skip stuff you don't like. Better than a web based system because it is faster and you don't have to be on line to use it. -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX
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Well, this list averages 100-200 posts per day, around 1000+ per week. Personally I have it sent to a folder and view it threaded BUT that's a LOT of mail. THe Sound designers forum that is VERY active is only around 20-30 per day, and thats a Yahoo group so I get the digest and skim the subjects. My mail is set up so the server deletes downloaded mail after a week but when I work off site and pick up mail on the lap top I get a weeks worth of old messages - including 1000+ from this list. Web mail sucks, especially when you have lots of mail to go through so for me that's not a solution. Setting up a separate mail account would work I guess, and is poss now with our new hosting.... Anyway I have a fast connection so it's not a huge deal but if I were on dial-up having a 20 min "fetching" mail would drive me over the edge. For folks who have the time and access to keep up with the list a few times in a day I'm sure this isn't much of a problem. I think it's the folks who don't have the time and access that get swamped with email on a periodic basis. To be clear I'm not advocating the list go away or whining, just answering your question. Since I've been home a few days it's not a problem, but then I'm checking it 10-20 times a day. Alas I will have to start working again. SK On Jun 14, 2005, at 1:49 AM, Rick Copple wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> I think the sharp response is precisely *because* we bullies don't feel like "every argument is worth having." If I had a buck for every "you people are doing it all wrong - but fortunately for you, I'm going to tell you how to improve it - assuming you're smart enough to take my advice and implement it" post, I wouldn't need to defend my el cheapo thrift store grinder any more. I'd just go buy a Rocky, improve my coffee immensely *and* add another topic to the list of things I can bully people about. I'm willing to propose a counter-conclusion: Not every argument is worth responding to in a patient and rational manner. I don't know about the other folks in this forum, but I learned my "netiquette" by making a fool and/or jackass of myself. Nor do I claim my education is over...but my point is that most of my "online education" did not come from lists of proper virtual behavior or patient and caring discussions from people I'd offended. What I mostly found out was that flaming people made me feel worse than I was able to make them feel. Perhaps my sharpest "lesson" was ripping some fellow a new one on a Red Dwarf list...only to have him respond apologetically, explaining that he was dyslexic and had misunderstood what was being discussed. Hey Look Everybody! I've made myself microscopically small! I'm not arguing for cruel responses...but if someone is wearing a "Kick Me" sign, I am going to mention it. If I find out that it is not some cruel trick played on them, but they have proudly adorned themselves with it, I am tempted to follow Brother Dave Gardner's advice: "And I say, Dear Hearts, when a man is down...kick him! Give him the strength to rise above you!" Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
The scary part to me is that I just think I have different opinions, then I learn that I don't, but I try to anyway, then the hurrieder I go the behinder I get, and I never notice any bullies, just folks having fun. It is nice to have found a list where folks are as different but still the same as I Hope I have not offended anyone, or sounded like a bully. PeterZ Getting ready to roast some more Harrar, here in LHC Michael Douglas-Llyr wrote: <Snip>
I suspect you're saying something profound here, Gene. I just don't understand what it is. You say, "I'm not arguing for cruel responses...but", and then go on to tell us about the benefits of cruel responses. When I try to recall the names of those whose responses have been cutting, I don't see your name in that list. Perhaps because it wasn't threaded! Should all of this have had a big bold (i!) after it, or before it, or something? Dave S. Gene Smith wrote: <Snip>
Brute (i!) -admin] On Behalf Of Peter Zulkowski Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:26 PM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +This list has become nearly worthless Hope I have not offended anyone, or sounded like a bully.
wait a minute! That makes at least my half-brother. I don't remember volunteering for this! ginny wrote: <Snip> -- Life in the fast lane ...... It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of aribica that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
<Snip> Yes, Sis...but it's secret. Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
But seriously folks,....I would like to ask these people who are so "overwhelmed" by OT posts if they ever asked a strictly roasting question which wasn't answered (almost to the point of nauseam)? Anyone wanna PID a water pump? The people on this list might bicker, rail, and rant, but let's face it, it's a list propelled by CAFFEINE, for Odin's sake. Would they be surprised if they went on a heroin list and found very few emails, and those kinda trailing off...? Two of the people on the list who are the most "controversial" in the rancor dept are also two of the most generous people I've come across on the net, who have given of their time, expertise and many, many gifts (traditions)..Why do I keep thinking of Don Ameche and Frances Langford....? Maybe, because there are so many older people ( was gonna say "mature", but thought better of it ) on this list, we're not in so much of a rush to get the answer spoon fed to us in 25 words or less. We've learned that sometimes "the answer" is in the ancillary information. To those who think this list is worthless, I would ask them to point out another list where the people are so helpful when asked......To the point of making "house calls" to get a noob on the right track. Frankly, if you don't like the way this list evolved, goodbye to you and the horse you rode in on.... Angelo Btw, can anyone tell me where i can get blueberry flavored, 2% soy/rice milk for my Latte/latte....? <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.2/14 - Release Date: 6/14/2005
Any way I can get upgraded to bully? Have been kind of stagnating in the malcontent pool. If the upgrade to bully involves performing imitations of Teddy Roosevelt, I will have to politely decline. -- Brent Treading the Wild Burning Nerve Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> I think I'm arguing against unnecessary cruelty...but also against unnecessary kindness, Dave. If people will insist (and some do) on being belligerent know-it-alls, then I'm still willing to turn the other cheek...but it may not be the one they were hoping to find staring them in the face. To put it slightly differently, I don't go out of my way to be nasty to people, but I take that "not casting your pearls before swine" injunction seriously, too. It has been my experience that some folks really just want an argument. If they are of the passive/aggressive persuasion, after thumbing their nose at all and sundry, they then retreat into "hey, can't you take a joke?" or they pretend that they were seriously looking for information and enlightenment when they were sorely abused by cruel and unfeeling people. This sort of pathetic message invariably ends with another jab of some sort - to insure that the behavior they claim to be the victim of continues. Some folks just like to be angry, apparently. However, I have *never* come across an anger-phile who will admit to this. Nope, they are just constantly being ill-treated by practically everyone for no discernable reason, and - much as they would prefer for everyone to happily get along - once again, they are forced to STRIKE BACK! Really, the truth is that most of us aren't nearly as original or clever as we imagine. Which is why that website on email-list types is so funny...and so accurate. Oh, yeah...forgot one *really* important type: the folks for whom practically everything is about how things would be so much better if everyone else in the known universe would just stop being a dunce and do things their way. The self-appointed ambassadors from the world of The Way Things Ought To Be I feel completely justified in abusing if it amuses me to do so. Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
You can easily perform imitations of Teddy Roosevelt, I do it every day. Didn't he say "Speak softly and carry a big espresso?" Dan
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Angelo wrote: <Snip> I suppose there are those who'd like to have it both ways. When my whirley-pop went goodbye, I got some good advice here on wok roasting. It was quite helpful since I'm not particularly fond of air roasting. There just aren't that many places on the web where such unusual expertise exists. I sure couldn't get it hanging outside of a Starbucks. And I really appreciated it. Then I asked a question on the role of water vapor in roasting. No responses. Instead the list went on for 40 or 50 posts about some $20 drip pot that you can apparently find in just about every big box store in the country. And it was all posted here, one excruciating store at a time. I decided the list was more interested in discussing equipment than water vapor. Which was fair enough. Though I was disappointed, since I am still interested in water vapor, given it must work a lot differently in air poppers than in convection roasters. On the other hand, pertinent to this thread, there are quite literally hundreds of chatty posts here per week. I'm reminded of the birds singing: "I'm here, Where are you? I'm here, Where are you?" I didn't count the opinions on Michael Jackson or even the posts in this thread that basically say: I agree, I do too, me too, me too, me too. But they are there. This social signing seems to account for perhaps 70% of the list volume. That takes a while to get used to. Now the answer to criticism isn't to say "F**k off"... go away if you don't like it." Though we should admit that is the list's current tendency. The answer might be to explain why the chatty posts are meaningful and why you might want to read them. So far one person has taken that approach in this series of threads. Now I suppose I shall duck.
ginny wrote: <Snip> :-( <Snip> -- Life in the fast lane ...... It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of aribica that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains. The stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> e" <Snip> ve <Snip> Thanks, Gene! I had to fetch the bottle of Windex and some clean paper towels to wipe off the spray on the monitor at work. I needed a good laugh, and you always come through. Gary, happily spending my lunch time with *worthless* people(-;
Too tempting! I can't count that high - so I click "NEXT" and go to the next thread... Cause I like GMail! Brett On 6/14/05, Will wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
Now the answer to criticism isn't to say "F**k off". I will differ with you there as sometimes that indeed is the way to deal with it. Now, on to water vapor which I feel is clearly a preferential item in roasting. Obviously there are those that feel quite strongly about air or fluid bed roasters. For me there is nothing that creates the flavor profile that I like except solid container roasting... A hypothesis about the role of water vapor... There is a difference in my roasts with high and low relative humidity. I don't know whether anyone else notices this. I too am curious. Do you have any observations? From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Will Then I asked a question on the role of water vapor in roasting. I decided the list was more interested in discussing equipment than water vapor. Which was fair enough. Though I was disappointed, since I am still interested in water vapor, given it must work a lot differently in air poppers than in convection roasters.
This sound like a merging of the coffee reformation thread with this one. It's what the other thread needed a Bully Pulpit.. SK On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip>
Will brings up a good point about recycled subject lines. Folks are pretty good about changing the subject line (gmail doesn't make it as easy as they could, tho). But it can be frustrating to post a question, eagerly await responses that will help improve your roasting/brewing technique and, instead, get a bunch of messages about how kopi luwak breaks down the finish of bone china. -- Brent Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/14/05, Will wrote: <Snip>
You say it but you don't really men it. We should have a poll to find out how many got that reference. OTR is another passtime. SK On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Angelo wrote: <Snip>
On Jun 14, 2005, at 3:01 pm, Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip> Well, we've had some rather heated discussions on water vapor in the past. However, as Brent pointed out, failure to change the subject for an off-subject reply early in the life of a thread can sometimes quickly distract attention from the original question. I would suggest that, when this happens, the best thing to do is start a new thread with a new subject and repost the question, mentioning that it seems to have been overlooked in the original post. There are few thing that someone doesn't have an opinion on. John Blumel
On Jun 13, 2005, at 12:50 pm, Paul Goelz wrote: <Snip> As Angelo wrote long ago: <Snip> John Blumel
, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> I just like having my own personal archive, My goal is to fill up my Gmail account, so I can *complain* to the gmail people that I need more space for my stuff! You are currently using 410 MB (18%) of your 2295 MB. I group everything I find interesting. The search bar is easy enough to use by typing in a few keywords. And it's free. I like free.
<Snip> You *do* have to join the Bull Moose Party, Brent...but TR impressions are optional (and discouraged, if you can't do a good one). Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
<Snip> The instant that I experience low humidity in Houston, Tom, I'll let you know. Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
<Snip> Funny, Angelo...funny! Reminds me of the one about the guys trying to get marijuana legalized...and kept losing the petition. Gene Smith who has lost a couple of petitions in his time
<Snip> It does? Oh, crap! Gene Smith forced to deal with the wrong end of cats quite enough already, thank you, in Houston
Hi Scott, I think that is a different issue than what I was addressing specifically. At some point. sheer volume can become an issue depending on how much time one has. However, when it comes to using something other than Thunderbird (or most any email program on my computer) to look at things on the web, I don't see the advantages in that. I even have my gmail account popped into this program. I have it for other reasons than so I can see it threaded on the web. I just obtained broadband service this month for the first time at home. In all the time I used dial up, the only time it took anywhere close to 20 minutes to download email was if someone put some giant attachment onto it. I'm on several list, two of which this one is one that is fairly high volume, and it always downloaded within 5-10 minutes at the most, and usually less than 5. Probably averaged out to closer to 3 minutes. So I doubt that is a big issue. However, everyone has their own volume line where it becomes too much work for the value, and each person has to evaluate for themselves when even using threaded views or whatever still means they spend too much time. Most people won't announce that to the list though, if they say anything it will be just "I've gotta go, been nice talking to you" and they leave. However, if it is threaded post you need, I still don't see what the big deal is about Gmail, in general. You can do basically the same thing on your email program and have it all in one place and all searchable. Some people like having it off their hard drives (limited on space) or other considerations, but if you want it threaded, it is just as easy to do that in your email program. I think most of them will do that. That's much more flexible to me. That's why I'm not sure why people have a problem with it. -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX Scott Koué wrote: <Snip>
I have this list go to it's own folder and it's threaded and I have DSL. I wasn't complaining but responding to a post that said "I really have no idea why people have a problem". The volume is an issue for some. Dial up and DSL vary wildly in speed depending on a whole lot of factors. When my aunt used to send snap shots I had 45 minute downloads some times. On a very fast DSL at one studio it takes about three or four minutes to download a weeks worth of this list, which is a long time in a studio to be stuck waiting for mail to finish. I guess my limit may be low? But this list tripled the amount of mail I receive in a day (and thats counting spam!). SK On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Rick Copple wrote: <Snip>
Choices choices.... Life is so hard for people who have to choose... I checked the US Constitution, and computer sense is not a right established therein. Nor is it purchaseable on eBay. Same with fast or slow email, as well as list membership or unsubscription. ON THE OTHER HAND, Whining is not a right, nor is it prohibited, and thus we allow it... THEREFORE, I put up with the whining and complaining, and nary a peep from me about dissident emails clogging up my system... THANK YOU ALL who fight for the folks that can't find their delete key, or their options and preferences selections on their own computers. RTFM to all Brett On 6/15/05, Scott Koué wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
On 6/15/05, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> ip] <Snip> Would that be the karma sutra?
I only read the articles. No. Really. Just the articles. -- Brent Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/15/05, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip>
Not to be personal but are you unable to read??? Lets follow this last bit of the thread, Ill go slow. Rick: I have no Idea why any one would have a problem Scott: the volume is an issue for some Rick: you can use threaded email and folders, it doesn't take to long for me. Scott: Volume is an issue for some, you asked Now we get you with a snide email that has nothing to do with what you = are responding to (it would have been OK as a post to this long and winding thread but you quoted us so one assumes you would at least took = the time to read what your commenting on!) and basically says if you don't like it, your internet speed is your choice and RTFM??? What does the Fing manual have to do with it. It's great that you have the time to sit and read you mail all day, at = the moment I do also or I wouldn't even be responding. But If you are = not able to go through the mail for a day or two and get hit with 200-400 emails that's a LOT. It has nothing to do with content or the = delete key or threaded lists or folders. It doesn't matter how skilled = at the computer you are it is still 200-400 emails. If your going to be insulting then at least be funny. And who said this wasn't stimulating SK On Jun 15, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> <Snip> about <Snip> is <Snip> I <Snip> in <Snip> <Snip> one <Snip> <Snip> much <Snip> too <Snip> (limited <Snip> is <Snip>
From: "Scott Koué" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:40 AM <Snip> As of course does the non-stop continuing discussion of why there's too much OT not coffee related posts and the various ways to filter and folder it continually add to the not coffee related posts(i!) Just finished a naked triple PRYS shot Cap' with right nice silky incorporated foam texture for a lame excuse of on topic. Beginning explorations of the various traditional espresso beverages at the proper time of day;-) Am I up to trying to build a macchiato next! Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee 3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Scott, I left a clue in the beginning, more than this I won't do...:-) Ciao, Angelo <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005
John, If he wants "water vapor" posts, perhaps you can point him to the 213 posts about the (non) /effects of soaking/steaming beans prior to roasting... hahaha Angelo <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005
you know with out getting the digest it's just too hard to quote every = email. I'll try to do better next time. To roast, to roast it's off to roast I go.... SK On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:06 AM, ginny wrote: <Snip> took <Snip> skilled <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> anywhere <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> the <Snip> <Snip>
Hi Scott, Yep, I took readin lessons... Didn't see you in the class though. Check the thread - Started with comments about the list being useless, and the need for a threaded forum, and that as is, the list is useless. Pardon me, but some of us pointed out, directly, how to thread the list, with a variety of software, which will take the list from USELESS to USEFUL. What does that have to do with the Fing manual? Well, for one, the Fing manual would help the poor soul who can't get a threaded solution with the current list. But Scott, I digress, cause you probably can't read this far anyway... Brett On 6/15/05, Scott Koué wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
Well ah lets see???? On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> <Snip> By gawd it works! ;~) SK
On 6/15/05, Scott Koué wrote: [snip - personal] <Snip> This would be one of the reasons people recommend Gmail. On Gmail there is no download time for retrieving the mail. 400 emails - no problem do an archive all or scan for the one that look interesting and label - read later - then archive all. <Snip> Missed your humor here also But then I'm not the brightest bulb on the string. But I saw the post as totally tongue in cheek - probably why he sounds that way too.
On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:18 pm, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip> Perhaps you'd like to qualify this statement in some way before it's pointed out that this isn't possible? John Blumel
Meaning that when I open the web page all of my email is alread sitting there, threaded and waiting on me to read, archive or delte. I don't have to go through the POP server and wait as it downloads 400 messages - which would take a long while. I'm not paid to sell anything John. It was an expression of my view on why I like using Gmail. On 6/15/05, John Blumel wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:37 pm, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip> Of course not. However, to read a message using the gmail web interface, you still have to download it. The only difference is that you download it via HTTP rather than POP. It might even take a bit longer since mail headers are usually fairly short and HTML adds at least as much overhead, if not more. Now, of course, you may be able to read the subject lines of messages using gmail without downloading the entire message but this isn't a limitation of POP (or IMAP) but simply not something that is supported by many (POP or IMAP) mail clients. Still, you can only guess at what is in those messages without downloading them -- as I am sure you know very well. John Blumel
You know John trying to communicate a simple point of view to you is beyond my limited skills. I'll make you a promise - won't happen again. Filter set. On 6/15/05, John Blumel wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
But Ginny, by replying and not changing or modifying the subject line you hung onto this thread that will not die even longer than Scott! And since I replied to your reply I kept this stupid thread going even longer than you did!-) Does that mean I win? But if you reply again then does it means you win?! Personally I'd prefer purple. Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee 3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "ginny" ">http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "ginny" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:52 AM Scott: I just wanted you to know that you are the first, read number one, to receive the: Twisted Pink Panty Award This award is given to the idiot who seems to hang on the longest to a dead subject! You win. ginny send me your address and your award will be sent asap.
Hmm, actually I think some may be more deserving. I'm sorry I answered = the question. But On the bright side, TREATS! So are these panties washed? And is the twist permanent or do I have to periodically re twist them. Is pink the only color because it doesn't go with a think I own? And what are my shipping options. I thought they had you on a chain gang in Oregon, are you on the lam? = If so you can always hide out here, providing you get the panties to me. TPPA WINNER SK On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:52 AM, ginny wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>
We better take this off list.... I never cared for lam much, even with mint jelly TPPA SK On Jun 15, 2005, at 12:55 PM, ginny wrote: <Snip>
At 12:50 PM 6/13/2005, you wrote: <Snip> OK, is it me? Am I being moderated? I posted this on Monday and just got it from the list today (Wednesday afternoon). Kinda makes any sort of conversation pretty impossible...... Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
Ginny, You are dealing mostly with men on the list and Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are attractive to the opposite sex. Doug ginny wrote: <Snip>
At 06:36 PM 6/15/2005, you wrote: <Snip> I thought the discussion was about the lack of threading. I don't recall seeing any other posts concerning propagation time issues. Or did I miss something? As my original post said (somewhat belatedly), I don't have any threading issues. I simply sort subject lines alphabetically and the posts (for the most part) get "threaded". I for one also prefer the Email format. But if I had an Email client that could not sort, I guess I would be agitating to move to a BBS type format..... that, or looking for a new Email client. ;) Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> We lived in Houston area for just a shade under 30 years. I think I can recall humidity below 30% only twice and the ambient temperatuer was about 105 at the same time. Whatta climate! One distinct advantage is that you can go nearly anywhere on the earth and be more comfortable outside. (New Orleans quickly comes to mind as one place less comfortable than Houston.) Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com
Scott Koué wrote: <Snip> Howdy Scott, Well, let's try this again, I guess I didn't state it well. I made the comment (I think you know that, but just so everyone else is aware) that "I really have no idea why people have a problem." Here is the original post that where I said that and what I was responding to: ---- begin quote ----- Cedrick Stanton wrote: [snip] > I also don't think suggesting people start using Gmail is all that helpful. I know I'm not about to stop using Thunderbird JUST so I can participate in this mailing list. It's cool, but not worth changing my email habits over. I really have no idea why people have a problem. Most email programs will created threaded conversations and that makes them a whole lot easier to skip. I don't even bother deleting them, I might need them for searches in the future. ----- end quote ------ That phrase wasn't about anything other than why anyone would have a problem using Thunderbird to thread or not thread an email, why someone would need to give up Thunderbird to use gmail on the web just to have threaded messages. You can do that in Thunderbird. The volume issue was separate even if related to the thread in general, and my wordiness probably obscured that point. I wasn't saying I have no idea why people would have a problem with volume. Even with threaded emails, a list can get so heavy with emails that you spend more time than you have for the value you get out of that. Each person has to judge that for themselves. That, however, wasn't what I was wondering why anyone would have a problem. OK, now I'll try to stop adding to the deluge! ;-) -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX