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Topic: Trouble sifting through all the mail that this homeroast? (39 msgs / 812 lines)
1) From: ginny
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Impossible Dave:
Everyone has a different level of knowledge, how they personally see things, what works for them; I think there are some great free things around, gmail, thunderbird that will/does allow each individual to setup their email the way they want.
Does not all belong in one box.
ginny

2) From: ginny
I am not sure post time is accurate, so many people, so many servers. It could have been written yesterday and not post until next week.
I simply read those I wish, as they come in regardless of thread since it is never really an indication of the true subject of any given post.
A note added here, comment relating to another post there...
It is what it is and everyone finds their own way.
ginny

3) From: Brett Mason
Hi all,
If anyone is having trouble with this email barrage, I would certainly
like to help by providinga GMail invite to any and all, and encourage
you to try letting GMail thread the emails for you and keep it from
filling up your personal email directories.
GMail is free, and some people ARE getting too many emails that are
off-topic or uninteresting...
Please let me know if you are interested...  FYI, my wife is also
heading to it because of the deluge from another topic, parents of
kids going to US Service Academies....
Best regards,
Brett
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4) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
It is a lot Brett - it is part of the reason I have been trying to 
link the list to a web forum. All the list mail would (ideally) be 
sorted into 8 different fori  (is that right?) including a chit-chat 
room! It's frustrating because I have it basically configured except 
for the little server application to bring in the mail every few 
minutes (cron). I have to either move the list to a new ISP, or I 
have another forum software to check out. Anyway, I hoped to roll 
this out 2 weeks ago, but installing the roaster, metal in my eye 
(ouch), CoE cupping (Nicaragua this week, just roasting 18 samples 
tonight) and now PNWG is making the new list/forum link a delayed 
project. Anyway, hang in there. This will give you options...
Tom
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5) From: Marc
Brett,
I am using Gmail and I still see what should have been threaded
conversations split into different entries. Is there a Gmail setting
that I am missing?
Thanks,
Marc

6) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
I'm not Brett, and don't want to be, but I have been annoyed by that 
(mixed subjects, not not being Brett) for some time.
I don't believe any software settings will fix that.
It happens when someone is reading in a thread, and instead of clicking 
on "reply", they compose a new message.
The reverse problem also happens frequently, when someone clicks 
"reply", but they really want to comment on something in another thread, 
not the one they are currently reading.
I suspect these behaviors a primarily caused by people who aren't aware 
of the thread structure, so they see the list a just a lot of rows with 
varying subjects.
The cure is to get everyone reading from a threaded list.
Dave S.
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7) From: Brett Mason
I believe the subject line is the determinant on GMail...
I wonder if I am me sometimes too, and appreciate all those who aren't
me and are glad, and those misled people who aren't me and for
who-only-knows-why wish they might be me for a moment even (?)
This list rocks!  You have become my circle of friends, and I truly
appreciate the family atmosphere, Kona discussions + and -, the food
fights, the encouragement, the occasional coffee thread, and the
Please_Unsubscribe_me's even though they have thinned out some...
Cheers to all of you,
Brett
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8) From: Gene Smith
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And I promise to convert -without complaint - to a threaded list the very 
minute I find myself living in a threaded universe.
Gene Smith
apparently more comfy with chaos than some, in Houston

9) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Gene Smith wrote:
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I think that's already happened - didn't you see "I Heart Huckabee's"?
Dave S.

10) From: miKe mcKoffee
From: "Gene Smith" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:10 AM
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Hmmm, would crossing back & forth between parallel universes be considered a 
threaded universe?
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
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11) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
Actually, I think we're now getting into string theory.  Which is
completely fascinating, mind-boggling, and something I could spend
hours on.  PBS had a couple of specials on it that did a good job of
getting across the basic ideas.  Exhilirating and kind of scary.  
Just like roasting coffee.
Day 3 of the refrigerated coffee - it appears to have settled into
blandness.  No worse than yesterday, but no better.  A little flavor,
but tastes mostly black.
-- 
Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO
For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew
On 6/14/05, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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d a
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12) From: Brett Mason
Hi Gene,
The brain is very adept at threading the inputs in our current
universe already.
For example, I say "Harrar", and you already associate "Ethiopia" and
"blueberry", and occasionally "horse"...
It's the computer and email that struggle with threading...
Brett
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13) From: Brett Mason
String theory often leads to kite flying - so bring a thermos and your
favorite drip!
Mine is Colombia Supremo...
Brett
On 6/14/05, Brent - SC/TO Roasting  wrote:
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14) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Tom,
    This list is great already.  People just need to take a deep
breath now and then.     I look forward to the additions and changes -
but could live forever the way they are.
   You will be amazed at how fast your eye heals.  I've been told that
it is the fastest healing part of your body.  I had a granuloma
removed from the white of my left eye - and it was totally healed over
in two days.   I'm hoping your metal chip hit the white of your eye
and not the lens so you'll be back to normal quickly.
   I'm quickly preparing space for some of that Nicaragua CoE when it
gets here. Love those CoE beans!!
John - loving life in the slow lane 
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15) From: Gene Smith
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Depends, Mike...you draggin' some string behind you?  Did you remember to 
knot it before you started?
Gene Smith
threading the wild learning curve, in Houston

16) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Mike - please don't reply "afraid not"
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17) From: Gene Smith
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Shouldn't that be "afraid knot," John?
Gene Smith
threading the wild learning curve, in Houston

18) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
See when I'm being sophisticated with my humor nobody gets it :O)  
These three strings walked into a bar....
On 6/14/05, Gene Smith  wrote:
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19) From: David Johnson
Obscure is not the same as sophisticated.
2 peanuts walked into the same bar....
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20) From: Angelo
Gino,
Would you settle for a stringed universe?
Angelo
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21) From: John Blumel
On Jun 14, 2005, at 10:57 am, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
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I've often wondered just what email clients all the people who swear  
by gmail, because of the threaded message feature, were using before  
they used gmail. This isn't rocket science (unless email header  
fields qualify as rocket science) and, surely, even Outlook supports  
threading.
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Well, this isn't really a cure. This is just a workaround that forces  
everyone into a narrow little box. A real "cure" will probably be  
some time coming and involve some serious textual (as opposed to  
character) comparison algorithms.
Of course, anyone who has spent any time working with computers knows  
that foolproof systems are nearly impossible to engineer -- and they  
know the reason why too.
John Blumel

22) From: John Blumel
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:59 am, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote:
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I believe the (healthy) cornea completely regenerates itself every 72  
hours. (I wish the rest of me would too.) However, I once had an  
injury in the white of my eye (your basic poke in the eye with a  
stick) and it was years before optometrists no longer commented on  
the scar.
John Blumel

23) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
The metaphor of a box describes something with boundaries, that might be 
hard to break out of.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should be put in a box; I am suggesting 
that people who haven't tried a threaded list may not see it's advantages.
But I am willing to look at the other points of view: can someone tell 
us the advantages of reading a newsgroup in time of posting order, 
rather than subject threaded order?
Dave S.
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24) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
Dave,
I prefer reading posts in reverse time of posting order (starting with
responses down to the original post) over threaded-by-topic.  That
way, if someone else has answered the post, I'll see it and not post a
duplicate.  Personally, duplicative posts are a bigger pain than OT
posts.  There's nothing new to learn in a duplicate posting; however,
a topic that may be OT could contain info that helps me.  This list
has very few duplicative posts, which I think is interesting.
At times, people pull in references from 3 or 4 other messages into a
reply to one post.  So, seeing the messages as they've been posted
time-wise, actually clarifies some posts.
At home, with Outlook, I can view them in reverse order of time
posting.  At the office, have to interface with gmail through the web,
so it's all in threaded order.  I've become accustomed to it, but it's
not my preferred way of reading.
-- 
Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO
For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew
On 6/14/05, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg  wrote:
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25) From: Brett Mason
no - a frayed knot.... B
On 6/14/05, Gene Smith  wrote:
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Brett Mason
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26) From: Brett Mason
For me it is simple - all the mail goes here, while my personal email
goes elsewhere.  But to your question John, Outlook, Eudora, Lotus
Notes (yuk), and many others.
I think GMail is awesome.
Feel free to use any other - I still think GMail is awesome.
Brett
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Brett Mason
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27) From: John Blumel
On Jun 14, 2005, at 1:44 pm, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
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Well, because you read the messages in chronological order, it can  
sometimes give you a better sense of what's going on. For example if  
someone refers to something in another thread and you haven't read  
that thread first, you may not understand what they are talking  
about. However, if you read the messages in the order they arrive  
from the list -- assuming that they aren't arriving out of order,  
which can sometimes happen -- you'll likely pick up on and understand  
the reference. Basically, it gives you a different perspective on the  
list.
Frankly, I almost always read the lists I subscribe to in order of  
receipt. If I want to review a thread more closely and/or try to pick  
up related messages that aren't identified as being in the thread,  
I'll sort by thread or subject, respectively, and sometimes I'll sort  
by "From:", in a thread or globally, if I want to review what an  
individual has written previously.
And, in fact, even when "threads" are the primary sort you use, you  
often end up reading chronologically anyway, depending on how often  
you retrieve your mail or read it, since threads often extend over  
several days or even weeks.
John Blumel

28) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Scott_Kou=E9?=
did you mean "A frayed Knot"?  you should really use a spell checker.
SK
On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote:
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29) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote:
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Wouldn't you want to read all the unread messages on a given subject
before replying, anyway?
If "yes", then why read in reverse order? It's easier to find all the
messages about a given subject if they're threaded.
If "no", then you're still risking creating a duplicate of something
written earlier.
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I agree that reading all the messages about a subject can clarify
earlier posts, but the order in which I read them before replying
doesn't make that easier.
It sounds like you value arriving at the destination more than the journey.
Having just seen the movie about the Jamaican bobsled team, I wish you
"cool runnings".
Dave S.

30) From: Gene Smith
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Did one of them say to the bartender "Make me one with everything"?
Gene Smith
threading the wild learning curve, in Houston

31) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
You asked for other points of view to consider.  I gave you my point
of view.  The conclusion you've drawn about me is incorrect.
-- 
Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO
For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew
On 6/14/05, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg  wrote:
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y.
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32) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote:
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Thank you for your point of view.
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Oh, well.
It was conjecture - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Dave S.

33) From: Wandering Curmudgeon
Excuse me!  I guess my high school edukashun failed me agin.  I shore
waz meaning somethin like double entandre sorta umor!
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34) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Scott_Kou=E9?=
Ya OK so I'm slower than most, but my bother didn't have any siblings 
that lived so take some pitty.
SK or KS or, where was that heroin list....
On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote:
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35) From: Rick Copple
Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
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Howdy Dave,
I've usually just read my list in the order they came in. It is only 
when a list gets to be too much traffic to handle that way easily that I 
start using threaded replys, essentially to make it easier to skip over 
all the emails of a certain thread that I'm not interested in, so it 
saves time going through the emails.
The value, at least to me, of viewing them in the order you get them is 
you get the conversations as they are happening. IOW, in a thread, you 
read the whole thread from first to last post before you read another 
thread's first post. When they come in order of reception, you read all 
the thread's first post first.
What that does is give you more of a context of what is being discussed 
in real time and any cross over threads then make sense. That is the one 
thing I don't like about reading threaded post, is that often someone 
starts a new thread off of one thread, and you often read comments from 
a different thread in the new one that you don't have the context for 
yet because you haven't read that thread. Then often I find that due to 
either the program or people using the "Reply" button to create new 
threads, you can actually miss threads you are interested in because 
they are buried in a thread you don't care for, or get broken threads. I 
noticed one thread today on this list had three separate starting 
points, I'm assuming because someone isn't using reply or their reply 
function/email program doesn't preserve the thread header.
So I prefer reading them in order they come in, but when a list gets too 
big, it saves me time to view and read it threaded. I probably miss out 
on some things that way, but I spend enough time on this as it is. I do 
have to sleep! At least some. ;-)
At least with my email program, I'm not stuck with only one way to view 
the email. I can read one list threaded and another list in order. I 
like the flexibility. Why would I want to be forced into only one way of 
reading the list?
That's my take on it, anyway, FWIW. :-)
-- 
Rick Copple
Marble Falls, TX

36) From: Scott Marquardt
On 6/13/05, Brett Mason  wrote:
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Better still, filter the mail and apply a label in one fell swoop,
relegating it immediately to the archive (skip the inbox).
Click the label in Gmail and all you see and search is list traffic.
Couldn't be nicer.
--
Scott

37) From: Rick Copple
Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
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I don't think that alone will do the trick. On Google list I'm on, which 
forces you to view threaded, people still do those things. Go figure.
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Rick Copple
Marble Falls, TX

38) From: Rick Copple
Brett Mason wrote:
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I think the thread is based on a particular header that indicates what 
you are responding to, mainly your email had the following header:
In-Reply-To: <42AEF070.4040608>
I've noticed that on threaded/conversation views that the subject can 
change but doesn't start a new thread. Just to test that, I'm changing 
this subject line, but I hit "Reply" so it should still be threaded as a 
response to your post.
Now, if you set your email view to sort based on the subject line, then 
it would change.
But I think Gmail works the same way. You can bury a new thread in an 
old one by hitting reply or break up a thread by using a method other 
than reply to respond to someone. It's all in the reply button!
-- 
Rick Copple
Marble Falls, TX

39) From: Brett Mason
I can't find the REPLY button.  
I think they broke it when they repaired my keyboard.  
I am also missing the ANY key.
Brett
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