<Snip> Impossible Dave: Everyone has a different level of knowledge, how they personally see things, what works for them; I think there are some great free things around, gmail, thunderbird that will/does allow each individual to setup their email the way they want. Does not all belong in one box. ginny
I am not sure post time is accurate, so many people, so many servers. It could have been written yesterday and not post until next week. I simply read those I wish, as they come in regardless of thread since it is never really an indication of the true subject of any given post. A note added here, comment relating to another post there... It is what it is and everyone finds their own way. ginny
Hi all, If anyone is having trouble with this email barrage, I would certainly like to help by providinga GMail invite to any and all, and encourage you to try letting GMail thread the emails for you and keep it from filling up your personal email directories. GMail is free, and some people ARE getting too many emails that are off-topic or uninteresting... Please let me know if you are interested... FYI, my wife is also heading to it because of the deluge from another topic, parents of kids going to US Service Academies.... Best regards, Brett On 6/13/05, Cedrick Stanton wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
It is a lot Brett - it is part of the reason I have been trying to link the list to a web forum. All the list mail would (ideally) be sorted into 8 different fori (is that right?) including a chit-chat room! It's frustrating because I have it basically configured except for the little server application to bring in the mail every few minutes (cron). I have to either move the list to a new ISP, or I have another forum software to check out. Anyway, I hoped to roll this out 2 weeks ago, but installing the roaster, metal in my eye (ouch), CoE cupping (Nicaragua this week, just roasting 18 samples tonight) and now PNWG is making the new list/forum link a delayed project. Anyway, hang in there. This will give you options... Tom -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria http://www.sweetmarias.com Thompson Owen george Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom
Brett, I am using Gmail and I still see what should have been threaded conversations split into different entries. Is there a Gmail setting that I am missing? Thanks, Marc
I'm not Brett, and don't want to be, but I have been annoyed by that (mixed subjects, not not being Brett) for some time. I don't believe any software settings will fix that. It happens when someone is reading in a thread, and instead of clicking on "reply", they compose a new message. The reverse problem also happens frequently, when someone clicks "reply", but they really want to comment on something in another thread, not the one they are currently reading. I suspect these behaviors a primarily caused by people who aren't aware of the thread structure, so they see the list a just a lot of rows with varying subjects. The cure is to get everyone reading from a threaded list. Dave S. Marc wrote: <Snip>
I believe the subject line is the determinant on GMail... I wonder if I am me sometimes too, and appreciate all those who aren't me and are glad, and those misled people who aren't me and for who-only-knows-why wish they might be me for a moment even (?) This list rocks! You have become my circle of friends, and I truly appreciate the family atmosphere, Kona discussions + and -, the food fights, the encouragement, the occasional coffee thread, and the Please_Unsubscribe_me's even though they have thinned out some... Cheers to all of you, Brett On 6/14/05, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> cribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
<Snip> And I promise to convert -without complaint - to a threaded list the very minute I find myself living in a threaded universe. Gene Smith apparently more comfy with chaos than some, in Houston
Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> I think that's already happened - didn't you see "I Heart Huckabee's"? Dave S.
From: "Gene Smith" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:10 AM <Snip> Hmmm, would crossing back & forth between parallel universes be considered a threaded universe? Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee 3rd Annual Pacific Northwest Sweet Maria's Home Roasters Gathering infohttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/pnwgIII.htmURL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Actually, I think we're now getting into string theory. Which is completely fascinating, mind-boggling, and something I could spend hours on. PBS had a couple of specials on it that did a good job of getting across the basic ideas. Exhilirating and kind of scary. Just like roasting coffee. Day 3 of the refrigerated coffee - it appears to have settled into blandness. No worse than yesterday, but no better. A little flavor, but tastes mostly black. -- Brent Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/14/05, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> d a <Snip>
Hi Gene, The brain is very adept at threading the inputs in our current universe already. For example, I say "Harrar", and you already associate "Ethiopia" and "blueberry", and occasionally "horse"... It's the computer and email that struggle with threading... Brett On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
String theory often leads to kite flying - so bring a thermos and your favorite drip! Mine is Colombia Supremo... Brett On 6/14/05, Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip> red a <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
Tom, This list is great already. People just need to take a deep breath now and then. I look forward to the additions and changes - but could live forever the way they are. You will be amazed at how fast your eye heals. I've been told that it is the fastest healing part of your body. I had a granuloma removed from the white of my left eye - and it was totally healed over in two days. I'm hoping your metal chip hit the white of your eye and not the lens so you'll be back to normal quickly. I'm quickly preparing space for some of that Nicaragua CoE when it gets here. Love those CoE beans!! John - loving life in the slow lane On 6/13/05, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote: <Snip> - - <Snip> <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
<Snip> Depends, Mike...you draggin' some string behind you? Did you remember to knot it before you started? Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
Mike - please don't reply "afraid not" On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
<Snip> Shouldn't that be "afraid knot," John? Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
See when I'm being sophisticated with my humor nobody gets it :O) These three strings walked into a bar.... On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
Obscure is not the same as sophisticated. 2 peanuts walked into the same bar.... <Snip>
Gino, Would you settle for a stringed universe? Angelo <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.2/14 - Release Date: 6/14/2005
On Jun 14, 2005, at 10:57 am, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> I've often wondered just what email clients all the people who swear by gmail, because of the threaded message feature, were using before they used gmail. This isn't rocket science (unless email header fields qualify as rocket science) and, surely, even Outlook supports threading. <Snip> Well, this isn't really a cure. This is just a workaround that forces everyone into a narrow little box. A real "cure" will probably be some time coming and involve some serious textual (as opposed to character) comparison algorithms. Of course, anyone who has spent any time working with computers knows that foolproof systems are nearly impossible to engineer -- and they know the reason why too. John Blumel
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:59 am, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip> I believe the (healthy) cornea completely regenerates itself every 72 hours. (I wish the rest of me would too.) However, I once had an injury in the white of my eye (your basic poke in the eye with a stick) and it was years before optometrists no longer commented on the scar. John Blumel
The metaphor of a box describes something with boundaries, that might be hard to break out of. I'm not suggesting that anyone should be put in a box; I am suggesting that people who haven't tried a threaded list may not see it's advantages. But I am willing to look at the other points of view: can someone tell us the advantages of reading a newsgroup in time of posting order, rather than subject threaded order? Dave S. ginny wrote: <Snip>
Dave, I prefer reading posts in reverse time of posting order (starting with responses down to the original post) over threaded-by-topic. That way, if someone else has answered the post, I'll see it and not post a duplicate. Personally, duplicative posts are a bigger pain than OT posts. There's nothing new to learn in a duplicate posting; however, a topic that may be OT could contain info that helps me. This list has very few duplicative posts, which I think is interesting. At times, people pull in references from 3 or 4 other messages into a reply to one post. So, seeing the messages as they've been posted time-wise, actually clarifies some posts. At home, with Outlook, I can view them in reverse order of time posting. At the office, have to interface with gmail through the web, so it's all in threaded order. I've become accustomed to it, but it's not my preferred way of reading. -- Brent Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/14/05, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> . <Snip>
no - a frayed knot.... B On 6/14/05, Gene Smith wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
For me it is simple - all the mail goes here, while my personal email goes elsewhere. But to your question John, Outlook, Eudora, Lotus Notes (yuk), and many others. I think GMail is awesome. Feel free to use any other - I still think GMail is awesome. Brett On 6/14/05, John Blumel wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
On Jun 14, 2005, at 1:44 pm, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> Well, because you read the messages in chronological order, it can sometimes give you a better sense of what's going on. For example if someone refers to something in another thread and you haven't read that thread first, you may not understand what they are talking about. However, if you read the messages in the order they arrive from the list -- assuming that they aren't arriving out of order, which can sometimes happen -- you'll likely pick up on and understand the reference. Basically, it gives you a different perspective on the list. Frankly, I almost always read the lists I subscribe to in order of receipt. If I want to review a thread more closely and/or try to pick up related messages that aren't identified as being in the thread, I'll sort by thread or subject, respectively, and sometimes I'll sort by "From:", in a thread or globally, if I want to review what an individual has written previously. And, in fact, even when "threads" are the primary sort you use, you often end up reading chronologically anyway, depending on how often you retrieve your mail or read it, since threads often extend over several days or even weeks. John Blumel
did you mean "A frayed Knot"? you should really use a spell checker. SK On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip>
Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip> Wouldn't you want to read all the unread messages on a given subject before replying, anyway? If "yes", then why read in reverse order? It's easier to find all the messages about a given subject if they're threaded. If "no", then you're still risking creating a duplicate of something written earlier. <Snip> I agree that reading all the messages about a subject can clarify earlier posts, but the order in which I read them before replying doesn't make that easier. It sounds like you value arriving at the destination more than the journey. Having just seen the movie about the Jamaican bobsled team, I wish you "cool runnings". Dave S.
<Snip> Did one of them say to the bartender "Make me one with everything"? Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
You asked for other points of view to consider. I gave you my point of view. The conclusion you've drawn about me is incorrect. -- Brent Roasting in an SC/TO For a Drip/Moka/Presspot Brew On 6/14/05, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> y. <Snip>
Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote: <Snip> Thank you for your point of view. <Snip> Oh, well. It was conjecture - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Dave S.
Excuse me! I guess my high school edukashun failed me agin. I shore waz meaning somethin like double entandre sorta umor! On 6/14/05, Scott Koué wrote: <Snip>
Ya OK so I'm slower than most, but my bother didn't have any siblings that lived so take some pitty. SK or KS or, where was that heroin list.... On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Wandering Curmudgeon wrote: <Snip>
Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: [snip] <Snip> Howdy Dave, I've usually just read my list in the order they came in. It is only when a list gets to be too much traffic to handle that way easily that I start using threaded replys, essentially to make it easier to skip over all the emails of a certain thread that I'm not interested in, so it saves time going through the emails. The value, at least to me, of viewing them in the order you get them is you get the conversations as they are happening. IOW, in a thread, you read the whole thread from first to last post before you read another thread's first post. When they come in order of reception, you read all the thread's first post first. What that does is give you more of a context of what is being discussed in real time and any cross over threads then make sense. That is the one thing I don't like about reading threaded post, is that often someone starts a new thread off of one thread, and you often read comments from a different thread in the new one that you don't have the context for yet because you haven't read that thread. Then often I find that due to either the program or people using the "Reply" button to create new threads, you can actually miss threads you are interested in because they are buried in a thread you don't care for, or get broken threads. I noticed one thread today on this list had three separate starting points, I'm assuming because someone isn't using reply or their reply function/email program doesn't preserve the thread header. So I prefer reading them in order they come in, but when a list gets too big, it saves me time to view and read it threaded. I probably miss out on some things that way, but I spend enough time on this as it is. I do have to sleep! At least some. ;-) At least with my email program, I'm not stuck with only one way to view the email. I can read one list threaded and another list in order. I like the flexibility. Why would I want to be forced into only one way of reading the list? That's my take on it, anyway, FWIW. :-) -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX
On 6/13/05, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> Better still, filter the mail and apply a label in one fell swoop, relegating it immediately to the archive (skip the inbox). Click the label in Gmail and all you see and search is list traffic. Couldn't be nicer. -- Scott
Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: [snip] <Snip> I don't think that alone will do the trick. On Google list I'm on, which forces you to view threaded, people still do those things. Go figure. -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX
Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> I think the thread is based on a particular header that indicates what you are responding to, mainly your email had the following header: In-Reply-To: <42AEF070.4040608> I've noticed that on threaded/conversation views that the subject can change but doesn't start a new thread. Just to test that, I'm changing this subject line, but I hit "Reply" so it should still be threaded as a response to your post. Now, if you set your email view to sort based on the subject line, then it would change. But I think Gmail works the same way. You can bury a new thread in an old one by hitting reply or break up a thread by using a method other than reply to respond to someone. It's all in the reply button! -- Rick Copple Marble Falls, TX
I can't find the REPLY button. I think they broke it when they repaired my keyboard. I am also missing the ANY key. Brett On 6/15/05, Rick Copple wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!