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Topic: Espresso Tampers (26 msgs / 835 lines)
1) From: Jeffrey A. Bertoia
 
Can someone recommend a espresso tamper?
Reg Barber, Ergo Packer or others?
Flat or Rounded?
I notice that Tom is not offering one.
jeff
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2) From: Jim McClellan
Hey Tom,
How about a tamper?
You know we want one.

3) From: Al Raden
I have a Reg Barber.  It is a work of art, in addition to being a darn
fine tool.  Expensive, but it feels so good in your hand, and looks so
good on top of the espresso machine.
- al r.
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4) From: Ken Parker
I've used Reg Barber's tamper for two years. It's a joy to hold and use.
I've also given two as gifts. The recipients loved them. 
In my book, there is no better tamper. An added bonus is that Reg is a
delightful and very fair guy.
Ken

5) From: Renaud Dreyer
I was pretty shocked how much getting an Ergo Packer improved my 
shots. It's very easu for me to get a perfect tamp. as well as the 
thick, steady flow of espresso that accompanies it.
I also got the Rancilio commercial portafilter. Keeps hot much better 
out of the machine than the standard Rancilio pf. Ciao,
          Renaud
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6) From: EuropaChris
Depends on what machine you have.  I have a Silvia, and use the 58mm aluminum tamper previously carried by espressosupply.com.  Espressoparts.com carries this tamper now, $21 or so.  Very nice, works great.  The Reg Barber is sweet, and it's way heavy, being stainless.  One day as a Xmas present to myself...
Chris
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7) From: Thom Underwood
I just received a rosewood handled, steel flat bottomed tamper for Fathers
Day and I love it.  I have been using a rounded one that is smaller than the
espresso basket (or whatever you call that thing).
The rosewood (heavier) flat bottomed tamper is a pleasure to use.  Does it
produce better espresso?  Couldn't say as there are too many other
variables, however, I sure like using it.
Regards - Thom

8) From: Jeffrey A. Bertoia
 
Chris
I have a 58 mm group, the La Cimbali jr.
I know that I need a better fitting tamper.  The one that I
have now is a flat cast aluminum and about 55 mm.  A little
on the small side.
Schomer's ergo is rounded and the standard Reg Barber is flat
while he also has a rounded one.  Which is better?  Any other
suggestions?
ciao
jeff
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9) From: EuropaChris
I bought my 58mm flat aluminum tamper for $21 from espressosupply.com.  They no longer carry the 58mm for some weird reason, so you can get them from espressoparts.com now.  The Reg Baber is really nice, but spendy.
Regarding rouded vs. flat.  That's a whole 'nuther debate.  I am in the "flat earth" camp, but without trying a rounded, I can't really comment.  Flat just makes sense to me.  Schomer's EgoPacker comes flat or rounded, and I think Barber offers a rounded bottom as a special.
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10) From: Paul Goelz
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I may be a phillistine, but I use a shot glass from *$.  Fits my Vapore
portafilter perfectly.  
Paul Goelz
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11) From: Jeff Spirer
 
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Wow, the prices people are paying.  I got a beautiful flat aluminum tamper 
in a restaurant supply store for $5.  It looks identical to some I have 
seen from coffee businesses for a lot more.  You might check the restaurant 
stores, a lot of what is sold in fru-fru shops is available in no-name 
brands (probably the manufacturer).  I've bought most of my kitchen 
equipment (except the espresso machine, roaster, and grinder) from them at 
ridiculously low prices.
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12) From: jim gundlach
on 6/21/01 6:51 PM, Jeff Spirer at jeff wrote:
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Restaurant supply places are a great source of good kitchen equipment at
reasonable prices.  If you live in a large city, which I no longer do, there
is often one that deals in used equipment at great prices.  But I doubt that
they would have espresso tampers.
   Jim Gundlach
     Roasting over pecan wood fires (patent applied for)
         in Shorter Alabama
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13) From: Keith Parker
I bought a Vivace tamper from David Schomer himself at his booth at a coffee
show in Seattle last...spring(??). It was about $50. It's a 58mm solid metal
model that is very nice to use.
The one difference between this one and all others I've seen is that it is coned
ever-so-slightly. Schomer's theory is that if the espresso "puck" is slightly
lower in the center, the water will tend to go through more evenly. I was always
worried that I was going to break the plastic tamper that shipped with my
machine. Schomer recommends about 30 pounds of pressure when tamping your
espresso and while that isn't pushing as hard as you might think, it's probably
hard enough to break those fragile plastic models.
My Dad (who is a lurker on this list--jab-jab) bought a Reg Barber model and I
must admit it is more pleasant to use than mine. It has a rosewood handle and a
very nicely polished bottom. The smooth bottom makes a smoother puck and the
final polishing of the espresso seems to work more nicely when I use his tamper.
Cheers,
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14) From: Michael Purcell
My latest obsession is trying to use an old wedding gift espresso machine.
I'm looking forward to trying SM's Liquid Amber tonight for the first time.
While using a shot glass as a tamper & watching a Good Eats episode on the
Food Network on espresso I realize a tamper upgrade could be an easy
upgrade.
What do people use as a tamper?  Any unique materials or custom jobs?
Mike

15) From: Barry Luterman
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16) From: Brett Mason
Check out www.thortamper.com for the best - Les turns these and they do
well....
Others have found that the PVC endcaps in the home repair stores are almost
a perfect fit for protafilters - perhaps you can take your portafilter to
Home Despot or similar and trial-fit for a $5 tamper....  Add a 3" tube and
another on the other end, and you have a solid device...
Pill bottle?
If you find a rock the correct size...
OK, so maybe not a rock...
Brett
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tamper gives an even "packing" all over the portafilter.  Pressurized water takes the path of least resistance, so you have to create the same resistance through the whole puck.  Proof? I sometimes tamp unevenly.  On a double shot, 1 shotglass will fill all the way up, the other only half.  Can give you some bitterness or watery sour espresso b/c the extraction is not right.
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18) From: Sandy Andina
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Thors are nice and pretty and can even match the wood in your kitchen  
cabinets, guitar or knife handles if Les has them in stock (the  
cocobolo is gorgeous).  You are going to want an even tamping surface  
and as heavy a tamper as you can easily wield--Les' Thor tampers and  
most pro tampers weigh in at around a pound because they are  
internally weighted with bismuth.  They are shaped to fit your hand.  
They're not cheap, but they will last and look great to boot.  What  
kind of machine do you have? Bear in mind that many "steam toy"  
machines (the kind where you pour in water after opening a screw cap  
on top and the steam from the machine's boiler automatically forces  
water through the grounds into the cup or little glass carafe without  
your having to use a lever or press a button) cannot take much of a  
tamp, or else the relatively weak steam pressure won't make it  
through the coffee. Any machine that comes with a little glass carafe  
into which the "espresso" gets brewed is almost inevitably a "steam  
toy." (I tried to use a tamper on a friend's Hamilton Beach steam  
toy, and the water had nowhere to go--it literally blew the  
portafilter off the machine).  Then there are some cheap pump  
machines that have pressurized "crema enhancer" portafilters that  
don't let you vary the tamp or grind--some of the fair-to-middlin'  
ones will let you order an aftermarket nonpressurized portafilter-- 
these latter ones would benefit from a good heavy tamper.
If you want to buy a tamper, trace the diameter of the portafilter  
(bearing in mind the tamper will have to be about 1-2 mm smaller to  
fit the inside).  Pro tampers come in certain standardized diameters  
but Les can turn one to fit your machine.  I would certainly not use  
anything less sophisticated than the cast aluminum "Terry's Tamp"  
sold by Espresso Parts NW and Sur La Table, or the HOAN cast aluminum  
ones. Bring the PF to the store to see if it'll fit. Those run about  
twelve bucks or so and are a step up from the little plastic cat toys  
that even the quality machine mfrs. enclose with their machines, but  
won't do as good a job as a Thor or pro steel tamper.  Steam toys and  
cheap pumpers usually take between a 46mm-52mm tamper. Good machines  
take between a 49 (Pavoni lever), 52 (LaSpaziale, Francis!Francis!),  
53 (Saeco/Barista/Estro), 57 (Pasquini, Bezzera--though a 58 works  
fine on my Pasquini Livia) and 58mm (industry standard for Rancilio,  
Nuova Simonelli,  LaMarzocco, Faema, Gaggia, and "boutique" e61 group  
HX and double boilers like Expobar, Isomac, Bricoletta, Quickmill,  
etc.  Dunno what the Breville, Solis, or Ascaso machines take.
BTW, I just got an Espro tamper--it clicks when you've reached 30# of  
pressure. My routine now is to level and tamp firmly with the Thor,  
and tap the rim very gently to shake the grounds adhering to the  
sides on to the surface of the puck (the compacted grounds). Then I  
take the Espro and tamp till it clicks; then polish the puck by  
spinning the tamper w/o exerting pressure about two revolutions. Note  
that I could use the Espro for the whole operation, but I like the  
feel of the Thor in my hand; I could use the Thor for the whole  
shebang but it doesn't spin smoothly.
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Thors are nice and pretty and =
can even match the wood in your kitchen cabinets, guitar or knife =
handles if Les has them in stock (the cocobolo is gorgeous).  You are =
going to want an even tamping surface and as heavy a tamper as you can =
easily wield--Les' Thor tampers and most pro tampers weigh in at around =
a pound because they are internally weighted with bismuth.  They are =
shaped to fit your hand. They're not cheap, but they will last and look =
great to boot.  What kind of machine do you have? Bear in mind that =
many "steam toy" machines (the kind where you pour in water after =
opening a screw cap on top and the steam from the machine's boiler =
automatically forces water through the grounds into the cup or little =
glass carafe without your having to use a lever or press a button) =
cannot take much of a tamp, or else the relatively weak steam pressure =
won't make it through the coffee. Any machine that comes with a little =
glass carafe into which the "espresso" gets brewed is almost inevitably =
a "steam toy." (I tried to use a tamper on a friend's Hamilton Beach =
steam toy, and the water had nowhere to go--it literally blew the =
portafilter off the machine).  Then there are some cheap pump machines =
that have pressurized "crema enhancer" portafilters that don't let you =
vary the tamp or grind--some of the fair-to-middlin' ones will let you =
order an aftermarket nonpressurized portafilter--these latter ones would =
benefit from a good heavy tamper.  
If you want to buy a = tamper, trace the diameter of the portafilter (bearing in mind the = tamper will have to be about 1-2 mm smaller to fit the inside).  Pro = tampers come in certain standardized diameters but Les can turn one to = fit your machine.  I would certainly not use anything less = sophisticated than the cast aluminum "Terry's Tamp" sold by Espresso = Parts NW and Sur La Table, or the HOAN cast aluminum ones. Bring the PF = to the store to see if it'll fit. Those run about twelve bucks or so and = are a step up from the little plastic cat toys that even the quality = machine mfrs. enclose with their machines, but won't do as good a job as = a Thor or pro steel tamper.  Steam toys and cheap pumpers usually take = between a 46mm-52mm tamper. Good machines take between a 49 (Pavoni = lever), 52 (LaSpaziale, Francis!Francis!), 53 (Saeco/Barista/Estro), 57 = (Pasquini, Bezzera--though a 58 works fine on my Pasquini Livia) and = 58mm (industry standard for Rancilio, Nuova Simonelli,  LaMarzocco, = Faema, Gaggia, and "boutique" e61 group HX and double boilers like = Expobar, Isomac, Bricoletta, Quickmill, etc.  Dunno what the Breville, = Solis, or Ascaso machines take.
BTW, I just got an Espro = tamper--it clicks when you've reached 30# of pressure. My routine now is = to level and tamp firmly with the Thor, and tap the rim very gently to = shake the grounds adhering to the sides on to the surface of the puck = (the compacted grounds). Then I take the Espro and tamp till it clicks; = then polish the puck by spinning the tamper w/o exerting pressure about = two revolutions. Note that I could use the Espro for the whole = operation, but I like the feel of the Thor in my hand; I could use the = Thor for the whole shebang but it doesn't spin smoothly. On = Aug 18, 2007, at 8:55 PM, thirddayhomeroaster= r.net wrote:
tamper gives an even "packing" = all over the portafilter.  = Pressurized water takes the path of least resistance, so you have = to create the same resistance through the whole puck.  Proof? I sometimes tamp = unevenly.  On a double = shot, 1 shotglass will fill all the way up, the other only half.  Can give you some bitterness = or watery sour espresso b/c the extraction is not right. ---- = Michael Purcell <mr.purcell> = wrote:  My latest obsession is trying to = use an old wedding gift espresso machine.I'm = looking forward to trying SM's Liquid Amber tonight for the first = time. While using a shot glass as a tamper & watching = a Good Eats episode on theFood Network = on espresso I realize a tamper upgrade could be an easyupgrade. What do people use as a = tamper?  Any unique = materials or custom jobs? Mike homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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19) From: Lynne Biziewski
I'll chime in - while I don't have an espresso machine, I won a traditional
gift last year, and along with my KMB, I received an absolutely gorgeous
Thor tamper to go along with it.
I love the craftmanship and beauty of this baby...it is truly a gorgeous
piece of art.
Lynne
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20) From: Michael Wascher
Trace it?
Get a stamp pad, a blank sheet of paper, an old newspaper folded double, the
kitchen sink, and a freshly made cup of your favorite coffee.
Lay the paper on top of the newspaper. Stamps are usually made of rubber so
there's a bit of spring. The portafilter isn't springy, so use the newspaper
to add some spring to the media.
Press the portafilter to the stamp pad, stamp it on the paper.
Immediately run to the kitchen sink and wash that nasty ink off of the
portafilter.
--MikeW
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21) From: Brian Kamnetz
Mike,
I'd be interested in knowing what kind of machine you are obsessing over.
Brian
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22) From: Sandy Andina
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Well, not everyone has access to a stamp pad or wants to go through  
that rigamarole; in fact, on second thought one'd need only to trace  
the basket and not the PF itself. Anyone has access to a pencil and a  
sheet of paper, and no washing would be necessary.  Granted, there  
wouldn't be both an inner and outer diameter reproduced, but I'm sure  
with his experience and expertise Les has an idea of the differential  
between the two. Heck, just take a ruler or a tape measure and  
there's nothing to wipe or wash.
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Well, not everyone has access to =
a stamp pad or wants to go through that rigamarole; in fact, on second =
thought one'd need only to trace the basket and not the PF itself. =
Anyone has access to a pencil and a sheet of paper, and no washing would =
be necessary.  Granted, there wouldn't be both an inner and outer =
diameter reproduced, but I'm sure with his experience and expertise Les =
has an idea of the differential between the two. Heck, just take a ruler =
or a tape measure and there's nothing to wipe or wash.
On =
Aug 19, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Michael Wascher wrote:
Trace it? = Get a stamp pad, a blank sheet of paper, an old newspaper folded = double, the kitchen sink, and a freshly made cup of your favorite = coffee. Lay the paper on top of the newspaper. Stamps are usually = made of rubber so there's a bit of spring. The portafilter isn't = springy, so use the newspaper to add some spring to the media. = Press the portafilter to the stamp pad, stamp it on the = paper. Immediately run to the kitchen sink and wash that nasty = ink off of the portafilter. --MikeW On 8/19/07, Sandy = Andina <sandraandina> = wrote: ...If you want to buy a tamper, trace the = diameter of the portafilter (bearing in mind the tamper will have to be = about 1-2 mm smaller to fit the = inside)....
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23) From: Michael Purcell
I have a 12 year old Krups Il Primo.  I dug it out of the closet after talk
on the list a cup of months ago about Cubano espresso.
I've been homeroasting for about 4 months now.  Making espresso now is
showing me the possibilities of the drink.  Whatever I made a decade ago was
awful.
Mike
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24) From: Barry Luterman
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If you mean this. It is a steam toy. Do not expect espresso from it. Nor =
do you really need a tamper for it.http://cgi.ebay.com/Krups-IL-Primo-Espresso-Machine-and-FREE-1-2-lb-coffe=e_W0QQitemZ110160154002QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38252QQcmdZViewItem

25) From: Brett Mason
On the other hand,  the Primo will do every bit as well as a mokapot - grind
a little more coarse, and enjoy the sweet coffee!
Brett
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26) From: Sandy Andina
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You definitely have a "steam toy."  You shouldn't even use a real  
tamper (a shot glass or the back of a flat-bottom scoop will do, to  
level the grounds)--if you tamp firmly, you may clog the machine or  
even cause the portafilter to blow off and splatter grounds and hot  
coffee all over the place.
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You definitely have a "steam =
toy."  You shouldn't even use a real tamper (a shot glass or the back =
of a flat-bottom scoop will do, to level the grounds)--if you tamp =
firmly, you may clog the machine or even cause the portafilter to blow =
off and splatter grounds and hot coffee all over the =
place.  
On Aug 19, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Barry Luterman =
wrote:
If you mean this. It is = a steam toy. Do not expect espresso from it. Nor do you really need a = tamper for it.http://cgi.ebay.com/Krups-IL-Primo-Espresso-Machine-and-FREE-1-2-lb-coff=ee_W0QQitemZ110160154002QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38252QQcmdZViewItem<= /FONT>----- Original Message = -----From: Michael = PurcellTo: homeroastSent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:00 AMSubject: Re: +Espresso Tampers I have a = 12 year old Krups Il Primo.  I dug it out of the closet after talk on = the list a cup of months ago about Cubano espresso. I've been = homeroasting for about 4 months now.  Making espresso now is showing = me the possibilities of the drink.  Whatever I made a decade ago was = awful.  Sandy www.sass-music.com
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