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Topic: TOTALLY Off Topic Post (really...I mean it) (15 msgs / 309 lines)
1) From: Gene Smith
Boy, you know what I hate?  I hate all these off-topic posts!  Why can't we 
just talk about coffee roasting?  I have gone through the archives and 
determined that not enough right-thinking listers have said this, so I 
decided to add my voice to the "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take 
it anymore!" ranks.
Why?  Because I've thought it through carefully and I've decided that if 
*I* add another off-topic post to all the other totally off-topic posts 
about how everyone ought to behave, we may finally see some improvement 
around here!
What I'd really like to do next is respond to my own post with several "Me, 
too!" and "Glad somebody finally said something!" posts so everyone will 
know just where I stand, by gum!
Now, if I had *not* used the subject line I did, I would feel obligated to 
add an irony alert ( ) (tm) at this point.  But since I am certain that 
no one whose literacy equivalent is high enough to have subscribed to this 
list would waste any time reading a post so clearly labeled as not for the 
irony impaired...I won't bother.
Gene Smith
turning the word "impervious" over and over in his mind, in Houston

2) From: Rick Farris
Just as I suspected, Wendy.  You're really Gene.  ;)
-- Rick

3) From: HeatGunRoast heatgunroast
In an earlier thread Gene Smith wrote similarly:
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"Sometimes people
just *have* to get in the last word." 
Gene Smith
who sincerely hopes it's his last words on the subject, in Houston
Martin (who enlists in your crusade for satire, if you will join his battle=
 
against sarcasm)
On 7/27/05, Gene Smith  wrote:
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4) From: tom ulmer
Clearly Martin there are those of us who are quite religious when it comes
to sarcasm...
Tom Ulmer (looking to moderate in defense of mockery but truly willing to
reach a hand of friendship to all points of view)

5) From: Gene Smith
Martin (who enlists in your crusade for satire, if you will join his battle
against sarcasm)
Wotcha got against sarcasm, Martin?
Gene Smith
possibly being sarcastic, in Houston

6) From: Angelo
Gino,
To have people ignore your posts, be they on/off topic, you would have to 
use another name. I always read your posts because they provide amusement 
for me...(i!)
I find a lot of the coffee threads to be totally boring. I enjoy DRINKING 
coffee. If I could find someone who would roast coffee for me at a good 
price and guaranteed freshness, I would opt for that...
Many of the on-topic posts start out as interesting, but soon devolve 
to  minutiae which, after awhile, have nothing to do with coffee roasting, 
per se. Zum beispiel, how does my knowing the breakdown of the hundreds of 
pounds of greens in someone's personal stash help me get a better cup of 
coffee. This type of post is, to me, not helpful. I just pass over these posts.
The on-topic "purists" never threaten to leave the list because  of this. I 
firmly believe that they just pass over these posts - something they could 
easily do with the clearly-labeled OT posts.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if life were always "on-topic" !
Angelo
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7) From: Gene Smith
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Oh, everyone knows it's Wendy, Rick
Gene Smith
who *really* couldn't resist (really!)

8) From: Rick Farris
I loath sarcasm.
-- Rick

9) From: Gene Smith

10) From: Gene Smith
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Nope.  It would be boring and you know it, Angelo.  Ever notice that 
whether it's a neck rub or a back scratch, it always feels better when 
somebody else does it?  Ever notice that it's always more fun when a 
favorite song comes up unexpectedly on the radio than when you 
intentionally play it?  I suspect it's the same for God...or The Ultimate 
Reality, or The Universe...or whatever one chooses to call it.
And so, here we are...roasting coffee, hunting for civet cat poo, and 
generally making things interesting on the webcams of the gods.
Gene Smith
trying not to be *too* interesting to the gods, in Houston

11) From: Michael Wascher
NO!
One of the pen lists I belong to has become boring because they so 
aggressively policed it. Having nothing at all off-topic gets boring.
Many of us now use another pen list, wholly of primarily. OT allowed, just=
 
no politics, religion, or crass commercialism. No moderation, but a couple=
 
of folks got tossed, It's a fun forum with friendly talk about pens, kids,=
 
travel, weather ... even coffee!
--MikeW
On 7/28/05, Gene Smith  wrote:
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"Not all things that are countable, count, and not all things that count,=
 
are countable". Albert Einstein

12) From: HeatGunRoast heatgunroast
Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SarcasmWhat do you think?
IMO, it's a nice discussion of Irony, Sarcasm, and the use of both on the=
 
Internet.
I'm not proposing a rule that forbids "sneering, jesting, or mocking a 
person," but we could probably avoid those devices and still be humorous,=
 
clever, and witty. 
Martin 
On 7/28/05, Gene Smith  wrote:
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13) From: tom ulmer
A knife in the hands of a murderer can do disastrous deeds. A knife in the
hands of a surgeon can achieve wondrous things. To condemn the knife simply
because there are murderers would be a calamity.

14) From: HeatGunRoast heatgunroast
Analogies are always a little iffy. But- - -
Sarcasm, ("sneering, jesting, and mocking") may on occasion provide some 
pleasure. But I have little confidence in your "surgeon's touch," or mine,=
 
that warrants using so cutting a tool around people I don't know well, even=
 
if I believed they deserved a slice or poke.
Martin
On 7/28/05, tom ulmer  wrote:
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15) From: Gene Smith
Analogies are always a little iffy. But- - -
Sarcasm, ("sneering, jesting, and mocking") may on occasion provide some
pleasure. But I have little confidence in your "surgeon's touch," or mine,
that warrants using so cutting a tool around people I don't know well, even
if I believed they deserved a slice or poke.
Martin
It's like my buddy says...he's all in favor of censorship - as long as he 
gets to be the censor.  If not, he finds the whole notion a bit dubious...
I quite enjoyed the link to the online article.  Very informative.  I often 
find that when I look up definitions that things are not quite what I had 
been assuming for years.  It was certainly a nice focusing discussion.
And now I will desist this particular thread (as per Tom's request) unless 
anyone cares to continue it off list.
Gene Smith
threading the wild learning curve, in Houston
gene


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