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Topic: New Alpenrost? (15 msgs / 324 lines)
1) From: Sue
Has anyone heard anything about the new Alpenrost model? Marias has noted=
 
that it is expected late August now. I wonder what the new upgrades (and 
price) will be like? 
 Sue

2) From: Dan Bollinger
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It is now called the Bravi (gender neutral version of Bravo?) =http://www.swissmar.com/bravi_new.shtml

3) From: Rick Farris
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Looks the same to me
 
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9/7/2005 10:17:14 AM
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From: Dan Bollinger
It is now called the Bravi (gender neutral version of Bravo?)http://www.swissmar.com/bravi_new.shtml 
 

4) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
It's redesigned to be safer, but has no features to make it a better 
roaster than the previous ... that is, no more roast functionality or 
time/heat/air flow control, no programmibility, no way to see the 
coffee, and a big (very big) increase in cost. It confounds me. Part 
of me just wants to ignore it, the other part wants to offer it with 
an exacting, honest description of its strong and weak points. I 
mean, it is what it is, and maybe it is the right roaster for some 
people. I need to work with the prototype more, but I was so 
discouraged testing it that I didn't even bother to make notes, or 
log the temperatures with my thermometer, or anything. I just felt at 
the time that I wouldn't know what to write in the "plus" column 
describing its attributes. At the same price as the hottop, maybe 50 
or 80 less, it just doesnt make sense. Biggest weak point? Cooling 
inside the drum, a fine thing with an air roaster and its rapid 
temperature changes/rapid air movement, is suicide for cup quality in 
a drum roaster. Commercially, you can start cooling with a water 
quench inside the drum, a debatable practice anyway.
Tom
Has anyone heard anything about the new Alpenrost model? Marias has 
noted that it is expected late August now. I wonder what the new 
upgrades  (and price) will be like?
Sue
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom

5) From: R.N.Kyle
what has been done to make it safer. Even safer with no upgrades in =
profiles
or such and the cost nearing $600 seems to be crazy. I thought at the =
below
300 it was a sellable roaster, even though the one I had took 3 to get =
one
that worked, but once I did it did a respectable job considering the =
cost.
But the new one at near double the cost with few upgrades is =
discouraging.
RK

6) From: Sue
Thanks, I had some wishful thinking going on there.....but I really did kno=
w 
better! I really forgot all about the Alpenrost until I saw one sitting in=
 
one of our local coffee houses looking for a buyer. 
 Sue
 On 9/7/05, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 

7) From: Michael Dhabolt
The Alp does have its good points. It is what forced me into the "I have go=
t 
to be able to build something better than this" frame of mind. This resulte=
d 
in building a roaster that I am, in fact, pretty happy with. The Alp has 
been taking up shelf space in the pantry, and occasionally getting dusted,=
 
for a long time now. I keep thinking that the little drum (really nicely 
built) might be a starting point for another project some day.
 Mike (just plain)
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8) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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Yep, that's what I thought too. Also, I would probably suggest a z&d 
before an alp in terms of simple, easy to use machines, AND you can 
see the roast process. There are substantial changes in materials, 
drum design (no longer possible to start the roaster with the drum 
not properly seated on the track) - foolproofing stuff. I admit I 
have always liked the way they drive the drum in the alp - there are 
not enough cogwheels in modern appliances. I mane, if they figured 
out a way to sample the coffee from the drum during roasting, 
something like that, I would be on board! But as is, the Bravi seems 
like a hopeless proposition. I promised myself to get it out of the 
box again and mess around, see if there is some positive quality I 
missed. -Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom

9) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
See - that's what I think. Get a junkyard alp, use the great drum, 
motor and drive with a gas heat source, keep the front open, sample 
the coffee during roasting with a long sundae spoon, have it hinged 
you you can dump the batch into a cooling tray - has the makings of 
something great... a real sample roaster.
Tom
The Alp does have its good points.  It is what forced me into the "I 
have got to be able to build something better than this" frame of 
mind.  This resulted in building a roaster that I am, in fact, pretty 
happy with.  The Alp has been taking up shelf space in the pantry, 
and occasionally getting dusted, for a long time now.  I keep 
thinking that the little drum (really nicely built) might be a 
starting point for another project some day.
Mike (just plain)
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom

10) From: Les
I'll stick with my solid stainless steel RK drum. You can really drop it on=
 
the cement garage floor and nothing breaks! I know, I have dropped mine!
 Les
 On 9/7/05, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 

11) From: Michael Vanecek
Sigh. I'm happy with my two old-model Alps currently - but price for 
price, my next roaster will either be the RK Drum and/or the HotTop. 
Probably "and" - I'd love to play with both. It's sad that a *new* model 
has come out without more functionality than the old model yet at a 
significantly higher price. Wonder what world Swissmar is occupying ...
Cheers,
Mike
--http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/
Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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12) From: Michael Vanecek
Sounds like a SM-Roaster there Tom. Let me know when you've got some for 
sale. :)
Grin,
Mike
--http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/
Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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13) From: Paul Goelz
At 05:21 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:
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I have to say I love my Alp.  Yes, I am on #3.... #1, purchased as 
soon as the Alp hit the market, was an infant mortality case.  #2 
lasted many years and #3 (shipped to me to replace #2 at no charge) 
is still going.  I like the ability to do a half pound in one 
roast.  That is just about exactly what we consume in a week.  And as 
much as I care to have around before it stales.  For my tastes, the 
cup I get on Central Americans is OK.  It roasts exactly the same 
each and every time.
So what is out there to replace the Alp if mine dies?  Is there 
another reasonably priced roaster that does 8 oz?  Looks like the 
I-Roast can't.  And the Hot Top is more expensive.
Paul
Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills, MI
paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com

14) From: fs
Tom:
question about your last comment cooling and  water quenching in a drum.
Your observation about the debatable practice is doing water quenching in
the drum and not the practice of water quenching right?
fred
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15) From: Alchemist John
Hey Tom, I would love if you would jump into the "roaster survey" 
discussion a little.  What do you see as the "needed" roaster out 
there?  Push button and cheap - Full computer adjustable profile 
control - Manual "sample" roaster?
At 15:39 9/7/2005, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/


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