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Topic: New Grinder (24 msgs / 695 lines)
1) From: Scott Koue
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Well I've been looking around on eBay and think I have found an upgrade 
in my price range.  A  Nuova Simonelli Grinta.  Seems to have good 
reviews and as far as I can tell should do a pretty good job, and the 
price was right.  I'll let you know how it works out.  I'm moving from 
an old Capresso grinder so ...
SK
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Well I've been looking around on eBay and think I have found an
upgrade in my price range.  A Times
Nuova Simonelli Grinta.  Seems to have good reviews and as far as I
can tell should do a pretty good job, and the price was right.  I'll
let you know how it works out.  I'm moving from an old Capresso
grinder so ...
SK
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don't know the grinder Scott but I am sure you have done some homework. Is the grinder new or used?
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I wanted to try the Capresso Infinity grinder. JLHufford switched my order
and gave me the exact one I didn't want from their stock, and a bag of
preground espresso stuff. The Stiffs knew I couldn't grind with the
repackaged Solis they sent. Same execrable burrs, and there's no way under
the sun those POS burrs will fit in any other mechanism.
SK- There's always a reason the Nuova Simonelli Grinta (or anything) would
show up on eBay.
Espresso Parts lists the burrs for $54. I like the doserless feature,
designed to grind right into the PF. It looks good. It has a digital timer
to set the grind quantity, if it works.
Always ask the seller questions before you bid, PLEASE. (Does he ever have
any problems with shipping damage?) The plastic funnel is large and kinda
tender, if he intends to pack it himself. The original packaging was
probably for display purposes, and might not be adequate for shipping. Set
your maximum bid to reflect what the grinder is worth to you.
Remember the snipers. In spite of the opinions of some, I think their game
is to scout for items with good bidding activity, and slip in a minimum
increment bid in the last few (6 or 7) seconds of the open bidding. Do
hackers imagine they gain some legitimacy if others actually want their
Pferdescheisse?
For people like that, I've set up a new Company- the FAA Company (Not
aviation-related). I repackage chewing gum. For items I sell that are won i=
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the last 8 seconds, I include a stick of our gum with the packing slip.
Cheers -Opa, aka RayO!
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4) From: Scott Koue
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Interesting rant.  It seems strange that you would flag such warnings 
about eBay and later talk about your selling on eBay.  Also what is 
your problem with people bidding at the last minute?  There is no 
"hacking" involved though I guess some use some kind of automated 
bidding software.  If you actually want something on ebay you HAVE to 
pay attention to the last minute or so.  And what on god earth does 
your problems with a retailer have to do with ebay???  Capresso and 
Solis are different companies.  The Solis Maestro plus is reported to 
pretty good by most people and really bad by a few, I don't think Tom 
stocks any POS's so figure the problems are more individual than 
general.
If I ever got "repackaged" chewing gum with something I ordered I would =
not only leave very negative feedback but lodge a complaint with ebay 
for bad behavior.  And since you don't seem to understand how eBay 
works a bid (last minute or not) will ALWAYS be the minimum amount 
needed to win (providing your max is high enough) it is the way eBay 
works.
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coffee, or not enough.
SK
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Interesting rant.  It seems strange that you would flag such warnings
about eBay and later talk about your selling on eBay.  Also what is
your problem with people bidding at the last minute?  There is no
"hacking" involved though I guess some use some kind of automated
bidding software.  If you actually want something on ebay you HAVE to
pay attention to the last minute or so.  And what on god earth does
your problems with a retailer have to do with ebay???  Capresso and
Solis are different companies.  The Solis Maestro plus is reported to
pretty good by most people and really bad by a few, I don't think Tom
stocks any POS's so figure the problems are more individual than
general.   
  
If I ever got "repackaged" chewing gum with something I ordered I
would not only leave very negative feedback but lodge a complaint with
ebay for bad behavior.  And since you don't seem to understand how
eBay works a bid (last minute or not) will ALWAYS be the minimum
amount needed to win (providing your max is high enough) it is the way
eBay works.
I'm not even going to respond to the rest, I think you've had too much
coffee, or not enough.
SK
On Oct 29, 2005, at 7:22 PM, < wrote:
I wanted to try the Capresso Infinity grinder. JLHufford
switched my order and gave me the exact one I didn't want
from their stock, and a bag of preground espresso stuff. The Stiffs
knew I couldn't grind with the repackaged Solis they sent. Same
execrable burrs, and there's no way under the sun those POS burrs will
fit in any other mechanism.
 SK- There's always a reason the Nuova Simonelli Grinta (or anything)
would show up on eBay.
Espresso Parts lists the burrs for $54. I like the doserless feature,
designed to grind right into the PF. It looks good. It has a digital
timer to set the grind quantity, if it works. 
 Always ask the seller questions before you bid, PLEASE.
(Does he ever have any problems with shipping damage?) The plastic
funnel is large and kinda tender, if he intends to pack it himself.
The original packaging was probably for display purposes, and might
not be adequate for shipping. Set your maximum bid to reflect what the
grinder is worth to you.
 Remember the snipers. In spite of the opinions of some, I think their
game is to scout for items with good bidding activity, and slip in a
minimum increment bid in the last few (6 or 7) seconds of the open
bidding. Do hackers imagine they gain some legitimacy if others
actually Helveticawant
their Pferdescheisse?
 For people like that, I've set up a new Company- the FAA Company (Not
aviation-related). I repackage chewing gum. For items I sell that are
won in the last 8 seconds, I include a stick of our gum with the
packing slip.
 Cheers -Opa, aka RayO!
-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Wichita WurliTzer=
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5) From: MSMB
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A while ago someone on this list talked about using a corn grinder for
coffee, so yesterday I got a chance to try one out.  I generally use a
Maestro classic and it does a serviceable job for my drip coffee and also
have a thrift store hand grinder--no markings, but dated 1950 - which I
don't use too much.  I was surprised to find that the corn mill does as good
a job, though it will be necessary to try out different settings to find the
grind that I want.  The problem with it is that it is a shelf mount or table
mount and I don't have a good place for it, and it seems to be slow (I might
have to keep it filled with beans or maybe I am just not using it
correctly)..  The grind gets pretty fine, certainly finer than my hand
grinder.  But I would really like a grinder that will give me a grind for
Turkish coffee, which I take to be as close to a powder as I can get
(perhaps putting the beans through several grinds will get them there).  In
any case, I just wanted to say that the corn mill does seem to be another
option for grinding beans, and considering its heavy steel construction I
expect that it will last a long time.
MS

6) From: Angelo
For Turkish, you could use a whirly-blade 
grinder. Just keep shaking it up and down.. It 
will definitely give you powder.
Or, if you're not drinking too much, you could 
use a mortar and pestle. The beans will crush to powder rather quickly...
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7) From: Robert D. Crawford
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Actually, I am pretty sure that running already-ground coffee through a
grinder like this (burr vs. blade) is not a good idea.  Much clogging is
the reason, as far as I know.
rdc
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8) From: MSMB
Thanks. I forgot to ask if there was any problem with re-grinding the beans.
I also thought that the heat from the grinding might affect them.

9) From: Brian Kamnetz
I found Tom's comment on regrinding:
If you are stepping up to a conical burr mill from a whirley-blade mill, you
might not be aware that you can't regrind coffee in *any* burr mill! In
other words, you can't put ground coffee in the bean hopper and grind it
finer - it clogs the burrs.
The comments were in the info for the Maestro Plus:http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.electricmills.shtmlBrian
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10) From: raymanowen
"...if you're not drinking too much, you could use a mortar and pestle."
When my original weed whacker grinder got coffee dust in the switch after 30
years, I broke out a Coors ceramic mortar and pestle. Oh, pain. It wasn't
big enough to grind the 30g of beans in one shot.
It's true- if you grind with a mortar and pestle, you won't be drinking
coffee too much. A design for a conical roll mill took shape- still floatin'
around in the belfry.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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11) From: Peter Z
Sure wish I had read this before I tried it, because I reground some and 
it worked!
My Mazzer Major was set wrong when I ran a pound through it, and my 
friend wanted it ground for espresso.
Soooo.. I adjusted it down to the espresso setting and ran the coffee 
through again!
It came out just fine, but then, the Major is kinda powerful... :)
PeterZ
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12) From: MSMB
You also might not have problems occasionally regrinding on the corn grinder
since the grinding blade is huge and it is relatively simple to disassemble
the whole apparatus for cleaning.  I originally wanted a wall mount Zass but
never quite felt ready to spring for the money.  I figured that the wall
crank would be much easier to turn than the little box (between the knees?)
hand grinder that I have.  But for one reason or another I have ended up
with the corn mill, and it really is a whole lot more comfortable to turn;
it is just such a heave steel item.  The grind is surprisingly even and I
have been able to get several levels.  Perhaps for the some people there
might not be enough variety in the levels of the grind; but I haven't really
tired all of the possibilities yet.  It is really not a bad device at all
and I bet it lasts a long time..
As for the yirg with fibers I wrote about earlier, I just roasted my first
batch.  A whole new experience for me because I have only tried a yirg once
before, back when I was just beginning to roast on a hot air popper and
usually burning by roast.  I roasted this batch real light... but am open to
suggestions and favorite profiles for this coffee, roasting with the
I-Roast.  
MS

13) From: Alex Fitch
Since Christmas I have become addicted to this whole coffee thing. I  
know my weak point is now my grinder. With out breaking the bank what  
do you all suggest as a good, take care of my needs for the long hale  
grinder. I have heard many speak of the Rocky. Any other suggestions?
Thanks once again for the help.
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Alex Fitch
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14) From: Les
If I were in the market (I love my Mazzer Major), I would save up for a
Cimbali Max Hybrid.  The cost is $795.00.  More than a Rocky or a Mazzer
Mini, but it will be the last grinder you will need to buy.
Les
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15) From: Barry Luterman
Funny I was told that about my Rocky and then again about my Mazzer Mini.
There is no end in sight. Alex if you are not heavily into Espresso
the Rocky is fine. If you make mostly Espresso the Mini will meet your
need well. If you have a lot of cash and want the best look further.
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16) From: Mike Koenig
Alex,
If you don't mind used...my recommendation would be to troll around on
eBay and Craigslist for a used Mazzer or similar commerical grinder
(provided you have the counter space of course). They can often be had
for less than the price of a new Rocky, even factoring in new burrs.
There are a few list members that have also gotten truly amazing deals
on commerical grinders at thrift stores, but this seems to take some
special talent that I do not posses.  :)
I have a search on Craigslist for coffee and espresso related stuff in
my local area that dumps to an RSS feed.  I sometimes see commercial
grinders in the NY area for $150-250 (seems to be mostly Rossi's).  If
you see something, but aren't sure, don't be afraid to ask the list
before you buy.
--mike
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17) From: miKe mcKoffee
I'll go so far as to say even if you are "heavily into Espresso" a Rocky can
serve you 'fairly' well. You'll need to pay good attention to your PF build
distribution and though grind adjustment stepped 'can' be used quite well.
Personally I'd either go Rocky or jump way up to Cimbali Max Hybrid as Les
suggests by-passing Mazzer Mini. Used Mazzer Super Jolly or Major can still
occasionally be had for a decent price and would be a better option than a
Rocky if not much more $ (always include new set of burrs in initial cost of
ownership consideration). Once upon a time used Mazzer Super Jolly's were
fairly plentiful but tougher to get a good deal these days, but if
persistent still be possible. 
Truth be told I'm STILL using Rocky at home and some might say I'm "heavily
into Espresso":-) Can't fine tune shots nearly as well as the Mazzers at the
Kafe but Rocky quite capable of very good to superb shots. Actually have
bought a used SJ TWICE targeted for home but just too big for the kitchen
space so have stayed with Rocky. (Sold the first one 2 or so years ago, then
later bought another one, now at the Kafe as SO 'spro grinder soon to be
replaced by a Major.) Am strongly looking at Cimbali Max Hybrid for home
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18) From: John Despres
Alex. If espresso isn't part of your coffee regimen, consider the =
Baratza Virtuoso (about $200.00). It does a fairly good job for my =
cartoon espresso machine, but I understand it's not the best machine. =
That said, I love mine.
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19) From: Sandy Andina
For what brew method(s) will you be using it (she said, refusing to  
end a sentence a preposition with)?  For espresso (and I can say  
this, having used a Solis Maestro Plus, a Rocky and a Mazzer Mini for  
that), a Rocky is perfectly fine and will give you some very good  
shots.  The Maetro Plus was adequate for a beginner--and for drip/ 
press/aeropress duty is currently doing a fine job chez moi.  For most  
espresso duties, I load a half-lb. at a time into my Mazzer Mini and  
couldn't be happier with the results. (Rocky does decaf espresso and  
single-origin espresso and brew duty right now, but for everyday  
espresso the MM is wonderfully consistent and easy to tweak for bean  
variety, freshness, and indoor humidity). Rocky has a shorter "travel"  
of the hopper which must be turned to adjust grind--but unless you  
have large hands and/or long fingers, that can be tricky--the motor  
must be running and the burrs devoid of beans to adjust the grind  
(especially finer), but unlike other grinders you must keep a spring- 
loaded rocker switch depressed to run the motor and another switch  
depressed to move the hopper to adjust the burrs; and unless you keep  
a firm grip on the rim of the hopper, it will spin wildly towards the  
ultra-coarse end of things. The Mazzer Mini is stepless (facilitating  
an infinite degree of grind size), has an on/off switch that needn't  
be held down, and a wand sticking out of the burr collar that makes it  
easy to move the burrs a few degrees one way or the other. But that  
latter advantage for espresso is a disadvantage for other methods,  
especially if you are using it for espresso as your only grinder:  you  
have to move the collar pretty far--against quite a bit of resistance-- 
to adjust between espresso and coarser grinds; and as the adjustment  
is stepless you probably won't be able to easily move back to your  
desired grind without wasting a few beans to test fineness.
  IMHO, for anything other than espresso the MM is overkill (some say  
the same of the Rocky).  A friend who just does drip recently gave  
away his old Krups burr mill and bought a Baratza Virtuoso, and is  
deliriously happy with it--it's a good $100 cheaper than the Rocky and  
$200-300 cheaper than the MM.
Sandy Andina
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20) From: Barry Luterman
If starting from scratch.I would go right to the Mazzer Mini. It's not
that much more expensive than the Rocky and is less demanding of the
users skill level. However, If I had a Rocky and wanted to upgrade I
wouldn't upgrade to a Mazzer but would go to the Cimbali.
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21) From: Alex Fitch
After reading the posts so far I guess I should have given more info.  
But thank you for the info. Here is the line up a SB (afraid to spell  
their name out here) Barista espresso machine (4 years old) that was  
slated to be replaced until SM entered my life, a Maestro plus (also  
about 4 years old and new burrs to be order soon) The Maestro works  
fine for the ,drip, FP, AP, Vac pot.
Currently I have at least two helping of  coffee a day when at work  
(24 hour shifts so the AP is critical and a cheap blade grinder) At  
home I have 2-4 depending on the day, so may greens to roast and try!  
and finally 1-2 espresso a day (my wife helps here). I still want to  
get a new espresso machine but have learned from listening to you all  
the grinder comes first. So the machine is on hold and now looking  
into grinders.
The I have somewhat limited counter space, but not a small area. Money  
is only an issue in that more I spend on a grinder the longer I have  
to wait to replenish the coffee fund for the next SM order, but a 1k  
grinder might not go over with the wife to well.
So I will keep an eye out for used grinders, save my penny's, and once  
again continue to digest the almost overwhelming amount of information  
I get here (but keep it coming).
Todays cup is Ethiopia Golocha roasted 5 days ago. Having trouble with  
the flavors on this one. Still trying to develop the taste buds.
Thanks again all!
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Alex Fitch
Alex
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22) From: Jamie Dolan
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Is the Cimbali your talking about this:
"La Cimbali Junior MAX Hybrid Grinder" for $795 (MSRP $1,000.00)?
If so, thats the same price as the Mazzer Mini e Doserless, isn't it?
Are you saying the La cimbali is better than the regular mazzer or
better than the Mini e?  I had been looking at the Mazzer Mini e Mod A
thinking that was the one I was going to get.  When I saw the Mazzer
mini e Mod a in person, I really liked the design with the buttons on
the top of pulse, 1 shot or 2 shots, it seems like a really nice
machine.
But now I am curious to hear what the story is with this La Cimbali...
Jamie
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23) From: Barry Luterman
Les and MiKe should be able to answer this. I really have no hands on
experience with the Cimbali
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24) From: raymanowen
"--it's a good $100 cheaper than the Rocky and $200-300 cheaper than..."
Save a C-Note on the grinder, and use it past the "Use By" date on the burrs
(what's the diff?)
By then, you will have obliterated far more than the ostensible savings in
flavors lost forever.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
Smart Money has left the building.
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