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Topic: Roaster (56 msgs / 1458 lines)
1) From: Wesley Simon
OK, I surrender! Last night I roasted about 4 pounds of coffee; three
different origins. I wanted to give an interested friend some to try. I
wanted to give a friend some to serve his Thanksgiving guests. I wanted som=
e
to take with me to share/drink on Thanksgiving. And, I needed some roasted
for the next week or so.
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed th=
e
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would like to fin=
d
a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able to repeat that
same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth the money? I won'=
t
say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the best compromise
between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang for my buck!
Thanks,
Wes

2) From: Alchemist John
First and foremost - do you want off the shelf or do you want a DYI?
RK Drum and a grill for the slightly more DYI, Hottop for off the 
shelf, build your own for more DYI but way less money.
At 06:58 11/22/2005, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

3) From: LG Sharpe
Wes,once you're hooked there isn't much you can do except to continue.  I started began simple and have upgraded now for the third time.  I currently, until tomorrow, am using the HotTop.  It will provide you with a consistent roast, visual satisfaction and great efficiency.  I clean mine more often than what was originally recommended, believe SM's has provided additional cleaning info on their site.  It make a great impact statement for friends visiting also, they feel you've finally flipped over coffee until they taste it.  Tomorrow my Diedrich SR-1 Sample Roaster arrives!  I saw the machine at the SCAA in March and have been waiting for its arrival.  Will it provide me with better coffee than the HotTop, probably not but what an awesome machine. Linda
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From: Wesley Simon 
Date: 2005/11/22 Tue AM 09:58:37 EST
To: homeroast
Subject: +Roaster
OK, I surrender! Last night I roasted about 4 pounds of coffee; three
different origins. I wanted to give an interested friend some to try. I
wanted to give a friend some to serve his Thanksgiving guests. I wanted some
to take with me to share/drink on Thanksgiving. And, I needed some roasted
for the next week or so.
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed the
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would like to find
a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able to repeat that
same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth the money? I won't
say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the best compromise
between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang for my buck!
Thanks,
Wes
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4) From: LG Sharpe
Wes,once you're hooked there isn't much you can do except to continue.  I started began simple and have upgraded now for the third time.  I currently, until tomorrow, am using the HotTop.  It will provide you with a consistent roast, visual satisfaction and great efficiency.  I clean mine more often than what was originally recommended, believe SM's has provided additional cleaning info on their site.  It make a great impact statement for friends visiting also, they feel you've finally flipped over coffee until they taste it.  Tomorrow my Diedrich SR-1 Sample Roaster arrives!  I saw the machine at the SCAA in March and have been waiting for its arrival.  Will it provide me with better coffee than the HotTop, probably not but what an awesome machine. Linda
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From: Wesley Simon 
Date: 2005/11/22 Tue AM 09:58:37 EST
To: homeroast
Subject: +Roaster
OK, I surrender! Last night I roasted about 4 pounds of coffee; three
different origins. I wanted to give an interested friend some to try. I
wanted to give a friend some to serve his Thanksgiving guests. I wanted some
to take with me to share/drink on Thanksgiving. And, I needed some roasted
for the next week or so.
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed the
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would like to find
a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able to repeat that
same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth the money? I won't
say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the best compromise
between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang for my buck!
Thanks,
Wes
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5) From: LG Sharpe
Wes,once you're hooked there isn't much you can do except to continue.  I started began simple and have upgraded now for the third time.  I currently, until tomorrow, am using the HotTop.  It will provide you with a consistent roast, visual satisfaction and great efficiency.  I clean mine more often than what was originally recommended, believe SM's has provided additional cleaning info on their site.  It make a great impact statement for friends visiting also, they feel you've finally flipped over coffee until they taste it.  Tomorrow my Diedrich SR-1 Sample Roaster arrives!  I saw the machine at the SCAA in March and have been waiting for its arrival.  Will it provide me with better coffee than the HotTop, probably not but what an awesome machine. Linda
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From: Wesley Simon 
Date: 2005/11/22 Tue AM 09:58:37 EST
To: homeroast
Subject: +Roaster
OK, I surrender! Last night I roasted about 4 pounds of coffee; three
different origins. I wanted to give an interested friend some to try. I
wanted to give a friend some to serve his Thanksgiving guests. I wanted some
to take with me to share/drink on Thanksgiving. And, I needed some roasted
for the next week or so.
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed the
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would like to find
a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able to repeat that
same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth the money? I won't
say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the best compromise
between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang for my buck!
Thanks,
Wes
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6) From: LG Sharpe
Wes,once you're hooked there isn't much you can do except to continue.  I started began simple and have upgraded now for the third time.  I currently, until tomorrow, am using the HotTop.  It will provide you with a consistent roast, visual satisfaction and great efficiency.  I clean mine more often than what was originally recommended, believe SM's has provided additional cleaning info on their site.  It make a great impact statement for friends visiting also, they feel you've finally flipped over coffee until they taste it.  Tomorrow my Diedrich SR-1 Sample Roaster arrives!  I saw the machine at the SCAA in March and have been waiting for its arrival.  Will it provide me with better coffee than the HotTop, probably not but what an awesome machine. Linda
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From: Wesley Simon 
Date: 2005/11/22 Tue AM 09:58:37 EST
To: homeroast
Subject: +Roaster
OK, I surrender! Last night I roasted about 4 pounds of coffee; three
different origins. I wanted to give an interested friend some to try. I
wanted to give a friend some to serve his Thanksgiving guests. I wanted some
to take with me to share/drink on Thanksgiving. And, I needed some roasted
for the next week or so.
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed the
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would like to find
a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able to repeat that
same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth the money? I won't
say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the best compromise
between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang for my buck!
Thanks,
Wes
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7) From: Wesley Simon
John,
While the DIY appeals to me, it doesn't appeal to my free time. I see my
free time as more valuable than the difference in cost. An off the shelf
unit would be what I need.
Wes
On 11/22/05, Alchemist John  wrote:
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8) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Wesley Simon wrote:
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Sounds like a hot top is your solution.
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-- 
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

9) From: Mike Chester
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10) From: Les
Wes,
I roasted 4 pounds in 40 minutes for Thanksgiving. I did two 2 pound roasts
in my RK drum. I have roasted from one bean to 4.5 pounds in my RK Drum
setup. It isn't plug and play and it isn't DYI. Now that I know my RK, I ca=
n
roast with ease! I have profile control and volume control. Look at the RK
Drum! If you want plug and play, it is hard to beat the Hottop. You are
going to pay about the same for a dedicated RK or a Hottop. The RK setup I
am talking about is a dedicated BBQ Roaster. It is hard to beat the power o=
f
Propane!
 Les
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11) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Mike Chester wrote:
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Thats just a re-badged alpenroast. Not in the same class as a HotTop.
FYI, Les has a good point.
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-- 
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

12) From: Peter Zulkowski
Sorry to disagree, and I really do like electricity over gas.
Another disclaimer is that I have not used gas, or a Hot top for that 
matter, but;
having been a subscriber to this list for about two years now (still a 
newbie) all the info points to an RK Drum setup as the best deal for no 
/DIY./
With all the problems people report with the hot top, I have never heard 
anything but praise for Ron's drum setup.
If it were me, and I had no time and did not love to tinker, I would go 
for the reliability, capacity and ease of use of the SS drum from Ron.
Easier to clean also, imho.
Just my 2 cents,
PeterZ
Still roasting with DIY electric, here in LHC.
J.W.Bullfrog wrote:
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13) From: Wesley Simon
Les,
I have a friend named Les that's pretty high-strung, intelligent, and
someone I pretty much count on what they say to be true. I always think of
that Les when I read your posts.
Anyway, do you control the RK roast profile using a thermometer and burner
settings? I know that the goal is to be able to control the speed to which
the beans get to the various stages of the roast. I have no control over
this using the popper; it's either on or off. {I'm not doing the variac,
switched heater element, etc.} I'd just as soon move up in the world as to
hack the popcorn popper. I'm interested in the RK.
I'm in Kansas, will I be able to roast using the RK outside in January and
February? It will be getting down to well below freezing at times.
Conversely, it will be in the 100's during the July, August time-frame.
I don't have time at the moment to look at it, maybe later this afternoon.
Thanks,
Wes
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14) From: Ed Needham
My free time is valuable too, and I spend it doing what I want to 
do...building roasters and roasting coffee .
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"
ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] somewhere in the subject line of any email correspondence)
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15) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Wesley Simon wrote:
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TIME OUT! don't go dising our hacked poppers. Mine does 280 grams, has 
better control than a HotTop, and cost 1/10 the price!!

16) From: Gary Townsend
Wesley Simon wrote:
Anyway, I did all this roasting in my WB poppery II. I recently reviewed th=
e
roasting color charts and realized that I have been going darker than I
really wanted to go. So, I wanted to stop at a City or City+ last night. I
realized that the roast in the poppery is very uneven unless taken to a
roast darker than I wanted.
 Wes,
If you are getting uneven roasts from a poppery 2, then I'll bet you are
roasting way too fast!
 What are your roasting times & how much of a load are you using?
 I think that you are over loading the popper, which is easy to do if you
roast by volume ( 1/2 cup of peaberry weighs a lot more than 1/2 cup of
monsooned beans, for instance ) Getting a decent electronic scale, one that
is acurate + or - 1 gram is about $20. I bought a nice Salton, last year fo=
r
$50. but I was impatient! A stock poppery 2 roasts 3 oz. Adjust your
popper's load 1/2 oz at a time to roast faster, or slower. Less beans =
longer roasts. A few tweaks and it will roast 5 to 5.5 oz. I aim for a 10
minute FC+ ( a few snaps into second) If I want to roast to a City roast,
then I decrease the load 1/2 oz, and still get the same roast time, with a
lighter roast.
 Gary

17) From: miKe mcKoffee
Tough question. One person's junk is another person's treasure! Lots of good
input already posted. It really does depend on what you want to achieve. To
illustrate I'll use Greg's roaster upgrading experiences. He started with a
Z&D from home brewing website, the discovered Sweet Maria's and the List. He
wasn't happy with the flat roast taste of the Z&D and got a HotTop. He found
it a good roaster with "a" pretty good roast profile. (He also ordered an RK
Drum same time as HotTop though he never did set it up, sold it.) Greg was
happy with the HotTop, for awhile. Good even consistent roasts. Somehow he
got exposed to the concept and tastes of varying profiles of the same
coffee. He was no longer satisfied with having a single profile forced upon
him by the HotTop and added a variac for both voltage stability and to try
for some flexibility. (FrankenFormer Rosto roasting "might" have been
somewhat to blame;-) Then the I-Roast II came out with better profile
capability and found it's way to Greg's house, he sold the HotTop. He's
currently getting very good flexible profiling combining the I-Roast II AND
variac, variac primarily to slow initial ramp profile and smooth the I-Roast
II "get to temp and hold" type profile. BTW, this has all been this year! To
make matters worse he recently learned about Jeffrey's Computer Controlled
HotTop allowing highly accurate user configurable profiling. Jeffrey's
website said he's no longer taking orders but someone (who me;-) suggested
Greg contact Jeffrey anyway and ask him. As of Sunday Greg is now also
waiting for Jeffrey to build his CCR HotTop! Vancouver Washington is going
to soon have two of 'em a 1/2 mile or so from each other!
And what's really sick is Trisha gave him the nod to get a LM GS3 when they
come out! But that may have been before the CCR HotTop. (Of course, she's
getting an upgrade too, already picked out, for her wedding ring finger. Was
supposed to be for their 10th anniversary that slipped by to 12th... 2ct
emerald cut diamond type.)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipeshttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
www.MDMProperties.net
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Wesley Simon
	Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:59 AM
	So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade.  I would
like to find a roaster that will give me an even roast.  I need to be able
to repeat that same roast.  I'm open for suggestions.  Is the HotTop worth
the money?  I won't say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the
best compromise between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang
for my buck!
	
	Thanks,
	
	Wes

18) From: Wesley Simon
I'm measuring out 1/2 cup. I do have some nice Salton scales as well. I
don't know what my times were. I would let it get well into the first crack
and then pull the top so that I could get an eye for color. Once about 80%
or so of the beans (that I could see) were the color I was going for, I'd
pull the plug, dump into the collander and put it in front of the fan. I'd
end up with some beans darker than I wanted and some lighter, but the
majority were the color I was trying to get.
I believe that the RK may take me in the direction I'd like to go. I'd like
to be able to create nice even roasts of varying amounts of beans. Most of
the time, I'd probably do a pound at a time. At the rate I drink coffee, I
see no reason to do less than a pound during a single roasting session.
Wes
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19) From: Les
Wes,
 My twin brother is Wesley, so I guess we both have some transference going
on! I found my set points using a K-probe thermometer on my RK setup. I
don't use a thermometer at all anymore. I roast by time and setpoints. I
also factor in smell, and smoke as well as listening for cracks. My standar=
d
roast is 1.25 pounds. This way I can divide a 5 pounder into 4 roasts. My
(complex) profiles work well for 1-1.5 pound roasts. I have a 3 stage
profile for 2 pounders and the occasional 4 pound roast is done much like a
Popper roast, without a whole lot of control, but still a good roast. This
is due to using a $99.00, 35000 BTU Charboil grill in my setup. If you went
with a more expensive grill I know you could control your profiles better
with larger batches. However, my goal was 1-2 pound batches so I am a very
happy camper. I have roasted in below freezing weather and 100 plus weather=
.
I have had to adjust the burner position a little, but the basic profiles
have stayed the same. The real bugger is you can't have any wind blowing
over your unit! Wind screws up your profiles faster than anything I know. I
roast in the garage with the door open and I have a blower in the roof of
the garage that I turn on to control any smoke.
 Les
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20) From:
Wes:
Even roast is not always equal. The beans, their source, your paying attention when roasting in your Poppery! 
Heck, I have never met the same roast twice and only a few I really could not stand!
That said, the Hot Top is a great choice for small batches and you can repeat your roast for the most part, again it is not the push the button and wait. I am not suggesting that is what you want, just a comment.
The other choice for you would be the RK drum if you have a space to roast outside, in a garage or carport. 
The HT is a great machine and i use mine all the time. The RK drum is fabul;ous for larger batches and will take a bit longer learning curve then the HT. If you have mastered the poppery you can roast without issue inb either machine.
Cost is maybe 600 and change for the HT, the RK is about 350 for the setup without BBQ (that you can get for 99 to 150 bucks) plus your time in tweeking it the way you want.
Initial cost is about equal. The advantage of the RK is the ability to roast larger amounts of greens. I may be off with my dollar amount for the RK drum setup as in drum, motor, mount etc.
The upside is also those larger quantities in the RK drum will all be the same!!! 
ginny
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21) From: Gary Townsend
Wesley Simon wrote:
I'm measuring out 1/2 cup. I do have some nice Salton scales as well. I
don't know what my times were. I would let it get well into the first crack
and then pull the top so that I could get an eye for color. Once about 80%
or so of the beans (that I could see) were the color I was going for, I'd
pull the plug, dump into the collander and put it in front of the fan. I'd
end up with some beans darker than I wanted and some lighter, but the
majority were the color I was trying to get.
I believe that the RK may take me in the direction I'd like to go. I'd like
to be able to create nice even roasts of varying amounts of beans. Most of
the time, I'd probably do a pound at a time. At the rate I drink coffee, I
see no reason to do less than a pound during a single roasting session.
  Wes,
I've tried a bunch of different roasting methods over the last year, and I
keep coming back to air popper roasters. I pick them up in thrift stores,
usually for $2.- 4. ea. I have a nice collection of them and find that some
models are better than others. I prefer the 1250w Popcorn Pumpers, the
cylidrical ones, IMO are just great roasters out of the box. I have 6 of
them. I also have 6 original Poppery 1's, and they are truly built like an
M1 Abrams tank, solid, dependale & highly adaptable. Next are the UFO yello=
w
& white topped Popcorn Pumpers. I started homeroasting with them, and I hav=
e
a bunch of them in both the 1400w & the 1250w versions.
 I have been giving Poppery 2's to people that want to start homeroasting.
They work pretty good for light duty roasting and are easy to use. I've
bypassed the bimetallic switches on all my roasters, except the Poppery 1's=
,
which can be adjusted very easily. Proper circulation inside of the roast
chamber is one of the keys to obtaining an even roast. Plug in your popper,
add green beans to the roasting chamber until it slows down to barely
moving. Unplug and dump, weigh out the amount and write out that figure on
the side of the popper with a permanent marker. You gotta do this task
fairly quickly & with a cold roaster, otherwise the beans will get hot and
start to cook. If the beans stop circulating at any time during the roastin=
g
process, you are going to end up with uneven roasts.
 Another thing to consider is roasting times, too fast, and the finished
product tends to be bright. Some people like that...I'm not one of them! To=
o
slow of a roast (over 18 minutes) and they will taste dull and baked. I lik=
e
to hit 1st Crack in 4 to 6 minutes, float the roast to a Full City + ( a fe=
w
snaps into 2nd ) and not exceed 12 minutes to that mark. Once you know wher=
e
that FC+ mark is on that particular machine, for that particular variety yo=
u
can easily adjust your times to obtain a lighter roast level. Example; 4 oz
green roast, 1C @ 5 min, FC+ @ 9 minutes. Next roast (same variety...roaste=
r
cooled down to room temp) cut the roast @ 8 minutes, should be very close t=
o
a City + roast. Taste it. If you like it better as a lighter roast, the nex=
t
time, try cutting it off @ 7 min. Taste it, if you don't care for it, then
go the other way until you hit your personal *sweet* spot on that particula=
r
variety.
 Another variable to think about is how fast can you dump and cool down you=
r
roast. If you take and quickly dump your roast into a collander, you will
minimize beans that are continuing to cook inside of the roast chamber...no=
t
a good thing. I have 2 ways of cooling down a roast. One way is using an
aluminum pizza tray with tiny holes, just dump and spread out the beans to =
1
layer and they cool off very quickly. Works great outdoors, and a slight
breeze will carry off any remaining chaff. I also have a shop vac / bucket
turbo cooler. I use it indoors, it's very noisy, but will cool off a Vienna
roast in 30 seconds.
 I am working on my BBQ roaster this winter, I think I've gained enough
experience roasting with all the other methods to be able to handle the
heat! I learned roast progression using the HeatGun/Dogbowl method. You
control everything, or it controls you! Same thing using a cast iron skille=
t
on the side burner of my BBQ grill. Keep those beans moving...or else!
Good luck,
Gary

22) From: Espressoperson
In a message dated 11/22/2005 11:53:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
peterz writes:
With all the problems people report with the hot top, I have never heard 
anything but praise for Ron's drum setup.
If it were me, and I had no time and did not love to tinker, I would go 
for the reliability, capacity and ease of use of the SS drum from Ron.
Easier to clean also, imho.
Just my 2 cents,
PeterZ
The hottop is truly plug and play. Take it out of the box and start roasting 
immediately. My only extra preparation (besides weighing the beans) is popping 
a window exhaust fan in the window behind the hottop, a cardboard cutout to 
fill the extra space, and I can roast indoors any time of day or night. (One of 
these days I may rig up a better exhaust system but this 3-speed 12" fan is 
doing fine in the meantime.)
I always set the roaster to max (7 on the analog board, 21:59 on my new 
digital board) so the only operator intervention needed is pushing the eject button 
when the roast is at the desired end point. For me that's usually right at 
start of 2nd or up to 30 sec into it, at about 18 minutes into the roast.
After every session or two (between 4 and 8 roasts) I vacuum out the insides 
and put the drum, window, and chaff tray in the dishwasher. Once a month I use 
a toothbrush and cafiza to clean the chute and the area around the thermostat 
button. I change filters as per instructions. No other maintenance necessary.
I'm approaching 100 roasts without any problems. And I don't recall reading 
about hottop problems. (Unless you consider "boring" a problem :-). What kinds 
of problems have been experienced or reported?
MichaelB

23) From: Espressoperson
In a message dated 11/22/2005 10:23:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lgsharpe writes:
Tomorrow my Diedrich SR-1 Sample Roaster arrives!  I saw the machine at the 
SCAA in March and have been waiting for its arrival.  Will it provide me with 
better coffee than the HotTop, probably not but what an awesome machine. Linda
Wow! I just looked this up on the diedrich site. What a beauty! So here you 
are with a super machine coming and a looong weekend to set it up and play with 
it. Can't think of a nicer scenario. Enjoy!
MichaelB

24) From: DJ Garcia
Peter, not sure how you came up with this HT evaluation. For the most
part the HT has been a turnkey appliance after the original beta perod
which was used to shake it out. The fact they were open about having a
limited public testing period was a great contributor to its current
successful incarnation. I know that from experience.
Having said that, Ron's drum is an ace roaster from what I've been
following on the forum :-).
DJ
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Peter Zulkowski homeroast 
Tue Nov 22 10:53:17 2005 
Sorry to disagree, and I really do like electricity over gas.
Another disclaimer is that I have not used gas, or a Hot top for that 
matter, but;
having been a subscriber to this list for about two years now (still a 
newbie) all the info points to an RK Drum setup as the best deal for no 
/DIY./
With all the problems people report with the hot top, I have never heard
anything but praise for Ron's drum setup.
If it were me, and I had no time and did not love to tinker, I would go 
for the reliability, capacity and ease of use of the SS drum from Ron.
Easier to clean also, imho.
Just my 2 cents,
PeterZ
Still roasting with DIY electric, here in LHC.

25) From: Alchemist John
Peter,
What problems with the hot top have you heard.  I-roast yes, but I 
have always considered the Hottop worth it if you have the money - 
albeit with lack of adjustable profiles.
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26) From: Peter Zulkowski
Sorry, I can't quote specifics, but I seem to remember some noise 
problems and discussion about how to oil the HT and what kind of oil to 
use. Then there were the filters that had to be replaced, and then the 
'new' digital control panel which was better than the old.
It just stuck in my mind like buying a new car.. all those recalls.
Maybe this is not a big deal to some, but for the money, I would want 
more stability.
Perhaps this all happened during the beta period.
I was not aware it was a newly introduced roaster.
I can remember trying to decide if I wanted a HT or an Alpenroast, 
before I got to tinkering, and realizing that I really want to roast a 
pound at a time or better.
Did not really mean to dis the HT, but to me the obvious choice when 
laying out big bucks, and wanting longevity and consistency, and the 
ability to roast 4# whenever, was the RK setup.
I am glad that you are happy with your Hot Top :)
PeterZ
Still converting bread machines, and roasting with electricity, here in LHC.
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27) From: miKe mcKoffee
Using your car analogy cleaning and or replacing the HotTop's filter is
simply part of normal scheduled maintenance, same as oil & air filters on a
car. Continuing the analogy cars once only had manual transmission, now
automatic transmission is an option. Similar to analog versus digital
interface on the HotTop. The digital control is not a requirement but an
option.
miKe
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28) From: gregcoffeeroast
Mike,
The go-ahead for the LM GS3 was before the CCR HotTop order--I'll just have to wait and see what happens, but likely will not get the LM. Besides, I don't know whether my barista skills and my palette can justify an LM GS3. Maybe I could hone my skills (and palette) on a Brewtus (-;
Hey, guess what I have sitting at my desk. OK, I'll give you a hint. One is a strange looking PF basket with brass and a thermocouple sticking out of it, second is a bottomless portafilter, and third is a Fluke digital thermometer. Me to the wife: "No--I won't stay up all night, I promise!"
Also took advantage of some Dell promos to purchase an inexpensive laptop to use with the CCR HotTop.
Greg
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The go-ahead for the LM GS3 was before the CCR HotTop order--I'll just have to wait and see what happens, but likely will not get the LM. Besides, I don't know whether my barista skills and my palette can justify an LM GS3. Maybe I could hone my skills (and palette) on a Brewtus (-;
 
Hey, guess what I have sitting at my desk. OK, I'll give you a hint. One is a strange looking PF basket with brass and a thermocouple sticking out of it, second is a bottomless portafilter, and third is a Fluke digital thermometer. Me to the wife: "No--I won't stay up all night, I promise!"
 
Also took advantage of some Dell promos to purchase an inexpensive laptop to use with the CCR HotTop.
 
Greg
 
 
> And what's really sick is Trisha gave him the nod to get a LM GS3 when they 
> come out! But that may have been before the CCR HotTop. (Of course, she's 
> getting an upgrade too, already picked out, for her wedding ring finger. Was 
> supposed to be for their 10th anniversary that slipped by to 12th... 2ct 
> emerald cut diamond type.) 
> 
> Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes 
>http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must 
> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment 
> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. 
> www.MDMProperties.net 
> 
> 
> 
> From: homeroast-admin 
> [mailto:homeroast-admin
 etmarias.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Simon 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:59 AM 
> 
> So, here's the deal: It's time to consider the upgrade. I would 
> like to find a roaster that will give me an even roast. I need to be able 
> to repeat that same roast. I'm open for suggestions. Is the HotTop worth 
> the money? I won't say that money is no object, but I'm interested in the 
> best compromise between quality, roasting ability, and price: the most bang 
> for my buck! 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Wes 
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29) From: Les
Is this Greg gone WILD!!!  Now I know why I am glad I don't live just a few
miles from Mike McKoffee.  The influence is bad enough at 185 miles
distance!  I wonder if I need to double check my pressure?  Maybe I ought t=
o
check out NW espresso parts.  Hey Greg, did you know that I PIDed my Androc=
k
roaster that I use for roasting over fire?  I don't think you were around
when I shared that.  Now that I have an outdoor fireplace with a chimney, I
can roast over fire very easily with my PIDed Androck roaster.  I bet you
are wondering how I PIDed it?  PID on my Androck stands for "Paper Indicato=
r
Device"  when the paper starts on fire, I know I am in the 450-500 degree
range which is perfect for roasting over the fire.  Speaking of that method=
,
anyone heard from Pecan Jim?  I will be doing some holiday roasting tonight=
.
Les
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30) From: gregcoffeeroast
Les,
Mike's enthusiastic attitude toward coffee does have a tendency to rub off on me! I like the idea behind your Androck roaster PID. I do have a question, though: Could you use different papers throughout the roast that burst into flames at different temperatures? Then you could use the PID to check custom roast profiles (-;
Have fun roasting tonight, and enjoy your Thanksgiving.
Greg
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31) From: Les
I was waiting for that one!  All kidding aside, I often wish I lived closer
to you guys and then I remember I do have Rob and Alchemist John in my
neighborhood!  I had the opportunity to have shots with a list member from
N. California this week, and last month got to meet up with some of the
"family" in Minnesota.  So, who is going to be the first with a LM GS3?   I
was just thinking, (dreaming) of a nice glassed in porch with a coffee bar
set up having a LM GS3 on one end and the pretty Dietrich one pound roaster
on the other end!  Drool all over the keyboard!
Les
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32) From: mIke mcKoffee
In my dream still undecided between the new Diedrich SR1 and the San
Franciscan SF1!
miKe
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
	Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:39 PM
	
	I was waiting for that one!  All kidding aside, I often wish I lived
closer to you guys and then I remember I do have Rob and Alchemist John in
my neighborhood!  I had the opportunity to have shots with a list member
from N. California this week, and last month got to meet up with some of the
"family" in Minnesota.  So, who is going to be the first with a LM GS3?   I
was just thinking, (dreaming) of a nice glassed in porch with a coffee bar
set up having a LM GS3 on one end and the pretty Dietrich one pound roaster
on the other end!  Drool all over the keyboard! 
	 
	Les

33) From: Larry Dorman
Wow... two plugs in one night...  Check out the Stir Crazy / Turbo Oven
combination...  Easy to use.  Only modification is as simple as assembly of
anything else you'd buy.  Less than $100 to get roasting...
LarryD
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34) From: Barry Luterman
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For what you want the Hottop is the answer

35) From: LG Sharpe
My Diedrich SR1 arrived today, what a beauty.  The crate was almost as nice as the machine. The most suprising thing is to oil the drum the first 5 to perhaps 10 batches should be discarded.  What...I didn't buy any commercial beans so on batch 3 plan to test to see if they are worthy of keeping.  The process is much more detailed than the plug in a roast HT. The D SR1 takes 35 minutes to heat up but once it gets going it keeps going.  Linda/San Diego
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From: "mIke mcKoffee" 
Date: 2005/11/23 Wed PM 04:52:24 EST
To: 
Subject: RE: +Roaster
In my dream still undecided between the new Diedrich SR1 and the San
Franciscan SF1!
miKe
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
	Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:39 PM
	
	I was waiting for that one!  All kidding aside, I often wish I lived
closer to you guys and then I remember I do have Rob and Alchemist John in
my neighborhood!  I had the opportunity to have shots with a list member
from N. California this week, and last month got to meet up with some of the
"family" in Minnesota.  So, who is going to be the first with a LM GS3?   I
was just thinking, (dreaming) of a nice glassed in porch with a coffee bar
set up having a LM GS3 on one end and the pretty Dietrich one pound roaster
on the other end!  Drool all over the keyboard! 
	 
	Les

36) From: Les
Drooling on the keyboard.  Waiting for a more detailed report once you get
some roast experience.
Les
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37) From: Michael Dhabolt
Linda,
Keep up the commentary, on the edge of my seat - er - couch.
Mike (just plain)
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38) From: Peter Zulkowski
Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
MichaelB,
I apologize for speaking out against the Hot Top.
What you reported about sums up the reality of the problems I remember.
I think I am/was/still trying to justify my urge to tinker and not just 
buy an expensive unit. ( Maybe a Dietrich or Probat)
OTOH, the only problems I remember having with my PGR is that I 
preheated it too much one time and melted the plastic paddle;
overloaded  it once (?) and got a large amount of baked coffee.
Hmmmm.. I even left it out in the rain.. twice.. and it still roasts fine.
Just shake the water out of the controls and it is good to go.
Of course we can overlook all the junk and spare parts and 
almost-coffee-roasters that I have accumulated on this two year 
obsess... er... quest...
PeterZ
Back to lurk mode, here in LHC.
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39) From: Espressoperson
In a message dated 11/25/2005 4:40:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
peterz writes:
Hope you  all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
MichaelB,
I apologize for speaking out  against the Hot Top.
What you reported about sums up the reality of the  problems I remember.
I think I am/was/still trying to justify my urge to  tinker and not just 
buy an expensive unit. ( Maybe a Dietrich or  Probat)
OTOH, the only problems I remember having with my PGR is that I  
preheated it too much one time and melted the plastic  paddle;
overloaded  it once (?) and got a large amount of baked  coffee.
Hmmmm.. I even left it out in the rain.. twice.. and it still  roasts fine.
Just shake the water out of the controls and it is good to  go.
Of course we can overlook all the junk and spare parts and  
almost-coffee-roasters that I have accumulated on this two year  
obsess... er... quest...
PeterZ
Back to lurk mode, here in  LHC.
Hello PeterZ and Happy Thanksgiving to you. 
 
No need to apologize to me - and I would guess the hottop folks won't be  
crying on their way to and from the bank. I didn't mean to sound defensive, I  
was just truly curious about potential hottop weak points to watch out  for.
 
After using a freshroast for almost a year, then reading all I could  about 
roasters, the hottop sounded like the right upgrade for me and  turned out to 
be even better than I thought it would be. I would love to  have bought it for 
less. I wish I could control the profile: faster  ramp up to 1st crack, 
lengthen the gap between end of 1st and start of 2nd,  etc., but instead I have 
convenience and predictability. These  two items are IMO what the hottop provides 
better than any other roaster.
 
From everything I've read, barbecue drums like the RK seem to be  a super way 
of getting great profile control at modest cost. However for a city  dweller 
with limited outdoor access, only a 1-2 pound need per week, and no  gas 
barbecue to start with, it is not my best option. IMO the likely  upgrade path for 
me may be a small sample roaster like the Dietrich.  However the number of 
zeros in its price will probably keep that from happening  anytime soon.
 
MichaelB
 

40) From: Michael Mccandless
How's this for unique?http://cgi.ebay.com/STUNNING-Antique-Coffee-roaster-with-clockwork-Motor_W0QQitemZ120040166629QQihZ002QQcategoryZ1217QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
McSparky

41) From: Barry Luterman
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
That's cool. Can an alcohol lamp generate enough heat? Alchemist John =
are you going to bid?

42) From: scott miller
Here's a picture of the same type roaster with a small vessel to put coal in
for a heat source.
cheers,
ScoTTT
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43) From: Alchemist John
I want to like it, and the mechanism is good, but I will pass.  I 
might have considered it if the clockwork was spring driven instead 
of crank driven, but it looks direct drive.
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44) From: Dan Audette
Anyone have a used roaster for sale??? A new one isn't in the cards for me
right now
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45) From: kevin creason
since you suck at cards stop playing and save that money instead.
you will get about 12 emails that state one of these:
1. get a popper @ thrift store
2. get a popper @ thrift store
3. get a popper @ thrift store
4. get stovetop popcorn thingy
5. get a heatgun & bread machine @ thrift store
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46) From: Brett Mason
Hi Dan,
Two of my roasters are already in your price range...
  1.  Hot Air Popcorn Popper.  I find these at thrift stores, and often they
are completely unused...  Sweet Marias supports these - check out their
site:http://www.sweetmarias.com/airpopmethod.html  2. Skillet/Wok over a flame.  I do this on the side burner of my BBQ,
using a wooden spoon to stir and keep the beans from burning.  Sweet Marias
also supports these:http://www.sweetmarias.com/skilletmethod.html$10 should put you into a popper - and the results are dramatic for the
investment...  I also do drum roasting in the BBQ - and the popper does
compare.  So you don't need to get out there for a lot of money to get
started...
Where in the world are you, maybe there's a roaster from the list nearby who
can show you his methods too?
Brett
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47) From: John Despres
Dan,
You've been roasting with a popcorn popper, right? And since it looks =
like you've put the GF idea aside, are you looking for larger batches? =
Then maybe a heat gun and dog bowl or bread machine may be the answer. =
I've never used either, but I hear the results are very nice.
John
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48) From: Barry Luterman
Learn how to play cards.
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49) From: Dan Audette
Yes, I've been using a popcorn popper with great results. I just want to be
able to roast larger amounts of coffee.
Boulder, Colorado is home....
Cheers,
Dan
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50) From: Floyd Lozano
A heat gun and bread machine combo will get you started for well under
$50 if you can get them at a thrift store.  The bread machine will be
the easier to find.  You can get a heat gun for $30 to $60 from Home
Depot, and others will point to cheaper.
Pros: roast 1lb of coffee to your exact profile specification
Cons: always roast 1lb of coffee , no more, no less, due to trebuchet
/ catapult / home run derby nature of bean and bread machine agitator
combination.  Clever use of stainless steel mesh can prevent the
flingage!
Good luck!
-F
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51) From: Michael I
Or you could just use a dog bowl instead.  I regularly roast 1/2 pound and
1.5 pound batches HG/DB.  Of course, then you're doing the stirring
yourself...
-AdkMike

52) From: Paul Helbert
My notes don't go back far enough (my bad) but my memory of HGBM roasting is
that my batches were probably 2 to 4 fluid ounces each. That was because I
was doing similar sized roasts in poppers and corresponds to my container
sizes at the time. I don't remember having to deal with any flingage. YMMV
with larger roasts and with different bread machines.
The only reason I quit the HGBM roasts is that my twenty year old heat gun
bit the dust. (Melted the plastic, then one of the coils went open, no doubt
from my progressively taping off the air vents in order to raise the
temperature). Anyhow I remember those as some excellent roasts. I've looked
at getting another heat gun, but with chicken feed running over $260 a ton,
I'm a bit hesitant to splurge on roasting redundancy until I see if
customers are going to be willing to pay my chicken and egg prices this
season. (So far they are, but grain prices, fueled by the weak dollar and
government subsidies for conversion of corn to ethanol, continue to
skyrocket, which will surely force me to raise prices again mid-season).

53) From: Kris McN
I regularly roast 1/2 - 3/4 lbs. using my HG/BrM.  Much less than 1/2 lbs.
and I get bean flingage, much more than 1 lbs. and the roast takes too long.
Best,
Kris McN
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54) From: raymanowen
I suggest :
5' get 2 heatguns from Lowes, etc, 2 bread machines @ thrift store, and a
short 12 ga 3 prong grounded extension cord. Power the HG/ BM from the
outlet closest to your electric service panel (breaker box).
You will still be under $100 and have a complete hot spare if something goes
Zap!
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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55) From: Vicki Fox Smith
The amount you can roast depends on the bread machine.My Sunbeam is not 
a bean tosser, it seems. I roast 1/2 pound without any problem. I have 
never tried a smaller sized roast. I have also successfully roasted 2 
pounds in it, though it makes one heck of a mess to have that much chaff 
flying around.
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56) From: Dustin Fluke
Indeed. I agree. If I get less than 1/2 pound green in my BM/HG setup, 
beans flip out. I can successfully do a pound on high heat all the way 
(about 20 mins). I've been experimenting with lowering the heat post 
first crack without modding the bread machine with a timer over-ride / 
switch for power.
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