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Topic: [U] RE: +You people are a bad influence on me... (19 msgs / 521 lines)
1) From: Cary Sean M MAJ MNCI C3 MNF-W LNO
Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
I have a 2 car garage of money saving wood working tools...  So far, I
have had time to make two shelves, some odds and ends, a really great
cedar bird house and a really nice wooden train for my kids.  
All told, they probably cost about $875 each... 

2) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Cary Sean M MAJ MNCI C3 MNF-W LNO wrote:
Nah, you still need to get a little more serious about your 'hobby' ;-)http://www.roadhard.us/jwsShed/show_2.htmlhttp://www.homeroaster.com/geekmod.html
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

3) From: Cary Sean M MAJ MNCI C3 MNF-W LNO
Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
I almost/sorta/kinda remember what my garage looks like...  
I have all my tools pushed to the walls, my F-150 and my Kawasaki
KLR-650 eating up the space the other tools and my workbench aren't
I have 100 b.f of 8/4 oak awaiting its manipulation into furniture,
but...alas I am here...for the 2nd time in 2 years.  
36 and a wakeup until I leave Iraq for Kuwait.

4) From: Michael Dhabolt
My Xmas present: http://tinyurl.com/7aqz6- I need more floor (or bench) s=
It sounds like your "short timers chain" is getting too small to wear.  Be =
Mike (just plain)
On 12/29/05, Cary Sean M MAJ MNCI C3 MNF-W LNO
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5) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Michael Dhabolt wrote:
nice. I got a router and bits.
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

6) From: Aaron
Do we EVEN want to get into the thousands of dollars saved by having 
your own scanner / fax machine / computer / fancy printer, digital 
camera / photo moto ... you get the idea.
I think everyone of us has some sort of hobby that we somehow convinced 
ourselves that it was a real money saver and just HAD to get the stuff.  
or if not a money saver a killer investment that was going to be worth 
double in a few short years. yadda yadda.
I still got a closet full of baseball cards heh.

7) From: Aaron
the short timers chain can very easily become a short timers bracelet, 
or a short timers ring or watch bob.  I would say earring but that's a 
bad topic to get me started on, brings back bad memories of captains 
mast after i ripped one out of a shippy's ear one time when they refused 
to remove it.   I remember one guy had some sort of sinus condition or 
whatever it was ... he used to snort his chain up one nostril and out 
the other.. be creative, the stc's can be put to many uses.

8) From: Michael Dhabolt
Reminds me of an evening of merry making at "Roseys" in Hong Kong,
circa 1964.  Amazing how much you can bleed from an ear lobe.
Enjoying (a lot) some SO shots of Brazil Carmo Estate Pulp-Natural -
and contemplating how wonderful the Brazils have been this year, I
hope it is not an anomaly.
Mike (just plain - healed up left ear lobe)

9) From: Wandering John
On 12/30/05, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
   Nice looking rotisserie!  Where does the heat sour go?   Talk about
percision drum roasting!!

10) From: Michael Dhabolt
percision drum roasting!!<
In normal geek fashion - the PID comes first - then I'll worry about heat.
Mike (just plain - tickled)

11) From: Jim Mitchell
Perhaps there should be some sort of fine line on the slippery slope that 
leads from 'Cheap Ba$tard' through 'Simple-minded Consumerism's to 
'Gadget-obsessed Hobby-itis?'
In our case the numbers were pretty grim - between myself, Wife Katherine, 
and Labmate Wayne, we were spending in excess of $150/week at the Green 
Mermaid and getting little except fatter to show for it.
For the number-crunching among us, the estimate was arrived at as follows:
Jim & Wayne drank a morning and evening drink each per day plus one pastry, 
six days a week ($3.50x2=$7.00 for drinks plus $2.50 for treats equals 
$9.50x2= $19/day for Jim and Wayne times 6 days = $114 a week
Katherine drank a morning shot, plus an occasional evening shot, but rarely 
had pastries, her consumption we pegged at $5.50 per day x 6 days or 
The combined figures were $147 for a six-day week, so it looks pretty safe 
to assume that we were easily spending $150/week for our coffee habits.
If we choose to ignore the fact that we currently own 5 functional espresso 
machines and 5 grinders (this really isn't as stupid a number as it first 
appears, the machines and grinders are used by three people spread out 
amongst 3 live-aboard boats, an apartment, and the Lab) and focus on the Lab 
system, the costs look as follows:
Isomac Ritual    - $550 (delivered Seattle from Ebay)
Mazzer Major    - $365 (delivered Seattle from Ebay)
Alpenrost          - $225 (approximate cost, traded computer parts)
60Lbs beans      - $240 (approximate $4/Lb delivered Seattle)
Or roughly $1380 in fixed costs (assuming the stash continues to hover at 
around 50-60Lbs) or about 8-9 weeks worth of Mermaid drinks and we get to 
keep the equipment's retained value as well as take the tax write-offs for 
lab gear.
Just for fun, I attempted to derive a rough per-shot cost, and before I got 
completely bogged down in trying to dredge up some of the ancillary expenses 
such as floor space and lighting came up with these working numbers:
Coffee @ $4.00/454 grams green less 15% for roasting losses and wastage = 
386gm divided by 20gm per shot (we actually pull 17-18gm doubles, the 2gm is 
for spills, sink shots, and wastage) yields 19 shots per pound or a raw 
coffee cost of $ .21 per shot.
Interestingly enough, Milk costs look to be quite substantial. Assuming $4 
per 64oz, and 4oz per shot, and 16 shots per half-gallon the damn cow costs 
$ .25 per shot for the 'average' American Latte.
Mercifully, we don't drink too many of the full-bovine drinks, so I'll 
estimate milk costs at roughly $ .15 per shot.
I am quite sure that between roasting, grinding, and keeping the Isomac 
running 24x7, electricity costs are not trivial - but trying to dredge out 
espresso-related power usage from all of the other power-hungry computers, 
lights, heaters, and even a great bloody locomotive which parks in the Lab's 
backyard has proven to be a eyeball-glazing exercise in frustration and 
futility. Even knowing an accurate KW usage figure isn't sufficient, because 
a shot drawn at 05:30 (off-peak) has significantly lower electric costs than 
one at 08:30 during peak usage pricing - not to mention that KW's cost more 
the more you use, when you use them, and how you choose to purchase - I give 
up, too many electrons are dying even as I write this - let us assume $ .10 
per shot for electrical and infrastructure costs.
Finally, there are the on-going equipment maintenance, repair, and 
replacement costs which get truely difficult to calculate, so I'm throwing 
my hands in the air and taking $ .05 per shot as a working figure - all of 
which adds up to:
Coffee    $ .21
Milk        $ .15
Power     $ .10
Misc       $ .05
Or a whopping $ .51 per shot - so we 'save' a minimum of $15/day (5 shots 
times $3.00) over going to CharBucks, and manage to amuse and entertain 
ourselves at the same time .....

12) From: Michael Dhabolt
Would you like to add graphics to that post?  I am currently cutting
and pasting it into 3D Max in preperation for engraving on a brass
plaque - it will replace the cupboard door (after upgrading the
hinges) above my Astoria with it :~)
I was glad to see you didn't prorate and add the cost of machine tools
and other toys specifically oriented toward the hardware afflicted
amongst us.
Mike (just plain)

13) From: Gary Townsend
Jim Mitchell wrote:
"Or a whopping $ .51 per shot - so we 'save' a minimum of $15/day (5 shots
times $3.00) over going to CharBucks, *and manage to amuse and entertain
ourselves at the same time ...*.."
Great Post, Jim !!!

14) From: miKe mcKoffee
Based on your 'limited' analysis you could be upgrading to a Versalab M3
espresso grinder in 83 days, a 0.5 to 5 pound batch sized commerical drum
roaster in another 400 days, and a La Marzocco GS3 ultimate in 110v temp
stability one-group in another 300 days;-)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipeshttp://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

15) From: Les
Isn't it amazing how we justify ourselves!  Let's see, I now have a shop
full of equipment and wood to make tampers and machine makeovers.  I am
drooling over a new Bandsaw so I can resaw exotics for knock boxes.  I can'=
convince Becky I need a LaSpaziale S1 and a La Marzocco GS3 for tamper
research and development.  I am having fun and it sure beats the
frustrations of playing golf.
I have had a wonderful year of meeting many of you.  On two of my trips thi=
year I met list members in Denver and Minneapolis.  We had a wonderful PNGW
at Kona Mike's.  I had the opportunity to visit Tom and Maria in Oakland.
One list member who doesn't live in the area stopped by for coffee and
conversation.  Alchemist John is a true friend who I used to get to see
weekly until my schedule changed.  The best of all however was the
outpouring of love from this group toward Elizabeth, Alfred's wife, when he
was dying from cancer.  So as the one advertisement on TV says, this group
is "priceless."
On 12/30/05, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:

16) From: Michael Dhabolt
To all
Comment by Les:
Mike (just plain - tickled)

17) From: Espressoperson
In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
les.albjerg writes:
Isn't it amazing how we justify ourselves!  
Yes indeed. It's all in the math. 2005 was a year of amazing money saving 
- No espresso machine upgrade. Saved circa $2000. (Can't claim even larger 
savings because the new La Marzocco GS3 is not yet available)
- No versalab grinder upgrade: Saved circa $1000
- Did not upgrade old freshroast roaster, bought new hottop instead: saved 
$0; a low point for saving this year :-(
- Bought more 5 lb bags this year: saved approximately $22 on a stash of 40 
- And speaking of priceless - there was the Thor tamper with matching knobs 
and handles whose actual value versus $ value paid cannot even be factored into 
this calculation.
Total saved in 2005 = $3022. That's over $8 per day savings. And to think 
some people don't home roast or make espresso at home because they think it's too 
expensive. Foolish.

18) From: Brett Mason
I believe the money-saving explanations are sound.  Indeed, we are all
working to be frugal, to extend our capabilities at minimal
Take this example:   when I bought my Porsche 928s...
  2.  I have a vehicle which cost less than $10K.
  3.  She burns less gas than a 12 cylinder Jaguar - at least a little less=
         (Also burns less fuel than an airplane.)
I am beginning to understand my wife's pursuit: the joys of saving money...
On 12/30/05, Espressoperson  wrote:
Brett Mason
   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

19) From: Tom Ulmer
The M division 6 from the Bavarian tempters has a firm grip on my
middle-aged insanity. Alas, the manual six will not be available anytime
soon. As a consolation and at great relief to the operating budget I am
seriously considering the New Year in the company of a Triumph Scrambler. I
realize of course these comments are blasphemy in coffee geek as a one could
get the GS3 and the Versalab for a similar outlay... however, I will promise
not to leave skid marks in your driveway if you invite me over to sample
your brew as long as it's not sour or weak.

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