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1) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
On 12/07/01 4:38, "Charles Haynes"  wrote:
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Greetings All
My third batch of beans, .5 kilo (I lb I think) are drying nicely in the sun
and wind.  I visited 'my' seven coffee trees at the nature park yesterday
for a bit of a pep talk.  I have about a kilo's worth ready to be roasted
too.  The frying pan over the gas flame seems to work okay but I have been
checking out Sweet Marias site and think I might go with the Caffe Rosto.
In the meantime, if there is anyone on this list who is living in Europe -
Paris for preference, would you please Email me.  As much as I would love to
be able to get beans from Sweet Marias, sending them to Mauritius is not a
great option.  So I am looking for an outlet in Europe and as my husband is
in Paris a couple of times a month, that would be a good place to start. We
did check with our usual supplier of pre-roasted beans in Paris and he
claimed to know nothing about green beans.   Have not had any success with a
Google search. 
Have a good weekend.
Wendy
Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road, Pomponette Beach
Mauritius Island
Tel/fax/ans (230) 6257399
Mobile (230) 2560182
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2) From: HJoelS
To: Charles Haynes,
Yes! There are vacuum producing devices, that work on either the 'regular
sized mouth' mason jars, or the wide mouthed jars. I use the wide mouthed
jars, mainly because the vacuum machine (Tilia Foodsaver) I have, comes with
a sealer that fits those jars perfectly. The sealers for 'regular sized
mouthed' jar are available but, at an additional cost! There are also
numerous other devices
for keeping a vacuum. One that I especially like is similar to a cork (made
from some kind of plastic, with a steel ball built into the 'cork') for wine
bottles,  to prevent air from coming in, while allowing CO2 to leave.
Harold
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3) From: Gary Zimmerman
 
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Wendy, that's weird.  If the guy roasts himself, certainly he has green 
beans he could sell you.  If not, he could direct you to his 
supplier.  Since you're looking for green beans to roast yourself, you 
certainly wouldn't be competing with that guy, and he should have no 
objections to directing you to his bean supplier.
But, ah, so many suspicious minds these days.
-- garyZ
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4) From: John - wandering Texas
Wendy;
	Is the problem one of tariff?  Does Mauritius Island have a free trade
zone?  I would think that you could get coffee from Madagascar without much
ado.
John
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In the meantime, if there is anyone on this list who is living in Europe -
Paris for preference, would you please Email me.  As much as I would love to
be able to get beans from Sweet Marias, sending them to Mauritius is not a
great option.  So I am looking for an outlet in Europe and as my husband is
in Paris a couple of times a month, that would be a good place to start. We
did check with our usual supplier of pre-roasted beans in Paris and he
claimed to know nothing about green beans.   Have not had any success with a
Google search.
Have a good weekend.
Wendy
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5) From: HJoelS
To: Charles Haynes,
Yes! There are vacuum producing devices, that work on either the 'regular
sized mouth' mason jars, or the wide mouthed jars. I use the wide mouthed
jars, mainly because the vacuum machine (Tilia Foodsaver) I have, comes with
a sealer that fits those jars perfectly. The sealers for 'regular sized
mouthed' jar are available but, at an additional cost! There are also
numerous other devices
for keeping a vacuum. One that I especially like is similar to a cork (made
from some kind of plastic, with a steel ball built into the 'cork') for wine
bottles,  to prevent air from coming in, while allowing CO2 to leave.
Harold
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6) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
And also a language problem.  I am not sure that he fully understood what
Thomas (husband) was asking him.
On 16/07/01 2:43, "Gary Zimmerman"  wrote:
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Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road, Pomponette Beach
Mauritius Island
Tel/fax/ans (230) 6257399
Mobile (230) 2560182
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7) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
The problem is having to front up to the main post office, an hour away,
have your package ripped open by the Official and then depending on what
sort of mood he happens to be in on that particular day, whether he lets you
have it at all or decides to charge some sort of tax.  Madagascar is an
option as the friend who supplies me with the coffee cherries here goes
there a couple of times a year and is due to go again soon but he could only
bring back a few kilos at a time.
Looks like husband Thomas will just have to keep checking with coffee
sellers in the numerous European destinations he pops into and track those
green beans down.  
On 16/07/01 2:59, "John  - wandering Texas"  wrote:
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Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road, Pomponette Beach
Mauritius Island
Tel/fax/ans (230) 6257399
Mobile (230) 2560182
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8) From: Henry C. Davis
Well, if you know in advance where your husband will have to travel and
there is a business at that destination (or a business associate) that will
accommodate a shipment, you could order from Sweet Maria's whatever size
batches he can transport in the context of his travels and have it sent
where he will be. Then he can bring it back himself. This would add somewhat
to cost, but at least you can deal with a business of quality that freely
gives information on the product and, as far as I am concerned, one of the
best business I have ever dealt with over the internet.
If accommodating businesses, or business contacts, are not available because
of last minute travel arrangements that can not be predicted well enough for
this to work, or other logistical problems, mailing addresses in some of the
cities he is likely to visit regularly could be purchased in many places and
this would work so long as the storage facilities for the deliveries would
not be damaging to the beans.
While setting up deaddrops on your husband's travel routes might raise some
eyebrows, if there was full disclosure I doubt it would result in any
official interest, or any blackmail attempts. If you are too secretive about
it it would be a problem because this system has long been used by
intelligence and counter-intelligence, drug rings, high tech smuggling, and
people who live in places where items they are used to having are banned for
either cultural reasons or because of repressive governments. On the other
hand, the use of it for innocuous purposes is hardly unheard of.
If there is difficulty in doing this as an individual, in many places the
purchase of a business license is quite inexpensive if you do not actually
operate a business, and similar arrangements might be available for a
business if not for an individual.
Anything more "grey" than these methods is probably to be avoided because it
is more likely to develop official interest which might leak over into your
husband's actual business and that would be very bad. The other thing using
the less than straight forward kind of deaddrop may result in is interest of
the strictly unofficial kind, government or otherwise, and that would be
even worse. Likewise, if you successfully set up a functioning covert drop,
someone might decide to acquire it for less benign purposes. You should
probably restrict such drops to countries without records of grossly
repressive conduct or undue officiousness.
Whatever problems on return with customs your husband would have would
likely be no different than the ones he would encounter with any green beans
he got in Europe from vendors there. And, if importation of small appliances
isn't forbidden, you could even get a small roaster or at least a popper.
I wish you luck, I have enjoyed your shared adventure with the raw coffee
cherries. Please do not embark on any unintended adventures as a result of
my hypothetical suggestions.
P.S. if you are asked, you got this plan from guy off the internet that you
think reads or writes too many spy novels, OK? :-) It has the advantage of
being true from a certain point of view.
Most of you can ignore the following except for any amusement it provides.
Disclaimer for any over-the-top no such agency kind of people: This is not
anything but what it looks like. It is also not Echelon bait, despite any
apparent keywords your software has identified this time. It is also not an
attempt to circumvent import export laws of any country or violate any
treaty, compact terms, or contractual obligations.

9) From: John Blumel
On 7/16/01 2:18 AM, Henry C. Davis wrote:
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The List, of course, will deny all knowledge of your activities.
John Blumel
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10) From: Henry C. Davis
That would be good, because apparently most of our "intelligence" community,
like many policemen, believe firmly in guilt simply by association....and
consider themselves even less bound by procedures and such niceties as civil
rights. :-)

11) From: John Blumel
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:56:43 -0400, Henry C. Davis wrote:
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"W" in a recent speech said:
  "I believe firmly in civil rights. Thomas Jefferson wrote, a 
  little over 300 years ago, that, 'we are endowed by our creator
  with certain inalienable rights.' And I believe that among
  those rights is the right to expect politeness from others in
  our society. Policemen should be polite as should all citizens.
  When the accused or minorities ask for their rights or for help,
  we should politely tell them where to go."
John Blumel
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12) From: Glen Sutherland
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  "I believe firmly in civil rights. Thomas Jefferson wrote, a 
  little over 300 years ago, that, 'we are endowed by our creator
  with certain inalienable rights.' And I believe that among
  those rights is the right to expect politeness from others in
  our society. Policemen should be polite as should all citizens.
  When the accused or minorities ask for their rights or for help,
  we should politely tell them where to go."
John Blumel<<
I believe you are lying and made that up.
If he said that, the media would have printed it.
Peace,
Glen
AIM RDawkin994
Drago Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
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13) From: John Blumel
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:53:09 -0400, Glen Sutherland wrote:
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I prefer to think of it as political satire.
John Blumel
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14) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
On 16/07/01 17:18, "Henry C. Davis"  wrote:
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You know Henry, I was just thinking the same thing.  Thomas is a pilot so
gets a month in advance roster so the coffee could perhaps be sent to his
Hotel.  If something goes wrong and the coffee misses him, there is always a
friendly pilot following him who could pick it up.  Will give it more
thought.
I have often come back from  Europe and Australia loaded with (roasted)
coffee, some in my carry on bag, and the aroma is strong but it has never
been of interest to the customs guys here (whiskey is more their thing ...).
 
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Mmm, I can see you have put some thought into all this - your secrets are
safe with us.
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Many thanks!
Wendy
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15) From: Henry C. Davis
I love the disclaimer, good luck with the deaddrops. Since he is the pilot
the coffee is unlikely to get lost with his luggage! :-)

16) From: John - wandering Texas
Wendy,
	If you don't write for a living, you certainly should!  Since you didn't
post this with a copyright some of my mail readers may get to see this (:^)

17) From: Henry C. Davis
Copyright applies without any necessity for notice under current laws and
treaties. Fair use, despite the efforts of corporate monsters like AOL and
Disney, still exists, though seriously eroded by the DMCA.
Most people are unaware of these two points, unfortunately, until some
record company or movie studio gigs them with a cease and desist warning.
I didn't mention this just to be a pain, as I suspect it is a non issue
here, but everyone needs to be made aware of the changes in copyright and
patent law that threaten to give huge amounts of control and money to
companies and not creators.

18) From: John Blumel
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:37:34 -0400, Henry C. Davis wrote:
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My understanding was that this is/was not the case in all countries and
that some require a copyright statement along with the phrase 'All
rights reserved.' to allow enforcement of copyright claims. Has this
changed or was I simply misinformed?
John Blumel
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19) From: Henry C. Davis
Well, it isn't the case in ALL countries, some countries do not even
recognize copyright limits of any kind. Some have such lax enforcement as to
be in the same category, and some countries have entirely different schemes.
However, most of the industrial countries have signed the new compact which
replaces the former rule requiring the copyright symbol and rights
reservations. I don't have the cite handy, but they did everything they
could to make copyright the default, not public domain. Registration is
still useful under US law because of the damages available and the other
relief you can be granted. There may even be some vestigial benefit from the
notices in the US, but I am not sure. (BTW, I am by no means an IP lawyer, I
tend to oppose most of this stuff where it doesn't serve the constitutional
basis for the protections, which would include most of the new protections
sought by corporations in the last hundred years.)

20) From: Robert Cantor
I have things shipped ahead to hotels all the time to hold for my arrival.
I notify the hotel and have the shipper put "hold for arrival" after my
name.  No need to be cloak and dagger about it.
But you still have to decide if the usa - eu shipping is worth it,
especially for the small weights that will be convenient to carry.
Many coffee importers will sell smaller lots than a whole bag with a nominal
fee for "breaking" the bag.  Trouble is, there's no guarantee it'll be any
good.  I once bought a bunch of Yauco selecto aa that way when Tom didn't
have any.  It was lousy.  If you can develop a relationship with a few
importers like Tom has, they can clue you in to what's good.  Of course,
it's hard to develop that relationship without interacting many times per
year over many hundreds of pounds of coffee...
Bob C.
rcantor

21) From: Mike DeZelar
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:42:30 +1000, Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin wrote:
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Do my pets have to be within the circle of salt as well?
-- 
Michael DeZelar        Elk River, Minnesota, USA
O-
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22) From: Henry C. Davis
If your pets wear amulets of protection linked by spells to one you wear,
no, this saves time finding them if you are suddenly attacked....


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