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Topic: Espresso machine advice (30 msgs / 1266 lines)
1) From: Ydnar
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When I joined the list over two years ago, the espresso people and roasting
people seemed to balance out in their contributions.  Well, I up and bought
and I-Roast just after their introduction and have been happily roasting
since with predictably excellent results thanks to advice from a lot of you.
I now have an I-2 after the motor died in the I-1.
Most of my coffee has been Cuisinart drip, French press, and Vac pot.  Yeah,
my wife and I love the brown stuff.
This Christmas, things changed.  We received an espresso machine.  Hold down
the laughter please - it's a DeLonghi Bar32.  While it's certainly a lower
end model, it does give me an idea of what to expect from espresso and I
love what I taste.  The machine came with PODs, but I'm mostly grinding my
own.  I do prefer the 3oz stainless cups that Tom & Maria sell, though I do
have a nice set of 2oz chinaware and  I'm not sure how to dose the two
different sizes.
So, when my wife isn't looking, I'll plug the DeLonghi into a 5Kv p.s. to
"fix" it.  But not until I have a new machine selected.
That's where the list members figure in.  The more I research the subject,
the more confusing it becomes.  It seems that Miss Sylvia and the Gaggia s/s
Classic are at the top of the list (especially cost-wise) and I can live
with a Sylvia 20 minute warm up.
Even though Tom and Maria's site provides a wealth of information, there's
still this confusing gray area.  So I'd really appreciate a little guidance
based on your collective personal experiences.
Thanks to all.  BTW, I'm staying out of the Ginny thing (but I sure miss her
posts) - besides, I don't know what really happened.
Randy Poe
ydnareop

2) From: Jim Sheets
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I've had a Silvia since X-mas and I love it.  You don't need to let it warm
up for 20+ min if you do some searching on the net about temp surfing.  You
can get away with a 5 - 8 min warm-up.  Silvia is a little picky about the
right grind, tamp, etc... but overall, she looks great on my counter and so
far, I would not change a thing.  I will recommend that you purchase a good
grinder such as the Rocky or another high-quality brand.  I was using a
capresso grinder and having a heck of a time getting good 25 second shots.
Now with my air-popper roasted coffee, Rocky and Silvia, I've been pulling
25 second shots for the last few days (I just go the Rocky).  Good luck!  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Ydnar
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:55 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Espresso machine advice
When I joined the list over two years ago, the espresso people and roasting
people seemed to balance out in their contributions.  Well, I up and bought
and I-Roast just after their introduction and have been happily roasting
since with predictably excellent results thanks to advice from a lot of you.
I now have an I-2 after the motor died in the I-1.
Most of my coffee has been Cuisinart drip, French press, and Vac pot.  Yeah,
my wife and I love the brown stuff. 
This Christmas, things changed.  We received an espresso machine.  Hold down
the laughter please - it's a DeLonghi Bar32.  While it's certainly a lower
end model, it does give me an idea of what to expect from espresso and I
love what I taste.  The machine came with PODs, but I'm mostly grinding my
own.  I do prefer the 3oz stainless cups that Tom & Maria sell, though I do
have a nice set of 2oz chinaware and  I'm not sure how to dose the two
different sizes.
So, when my wife isn't looking, I'll plug the DeLonghi into a 5Kv p.s. to
"fix" it.  But not until I have a new machine selected.
That's where the list members figure in.  The more I research the subject,
the more confusing it becomes.  It seems that Miss Sylvia and the Gaggia s/s
Classic are at the top of the list (especially cost-wise) and I can live
with a Sylvia 20 minute warm up.
Even though Tom and Maria's site provides a wealth of information, there's
still this confusing gray area.  So I'd really appreciate a little guidance
based on your collective personal experiences.
Thanks to all.  BTW, I'm staying out of the Ginny thing (but I sure miss her
posts) - besides, I don't know what really happened.
Randy Poe 
  ydnareop 

3) From: Brett Mason
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4) From: Sandy Andina
If I were you, I'd keep an eye out for a used NS Oscar or Expobar  
Office--HX machines that can be had used for the price of a new  
Silvia, far more forgiving, and able to steam and brew simultaneously  =
and for a veritable horde. Silvia is tricky--she has given me many a  
G-d shot but much frustration as well.
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5) From: mIke mcKoffee
Really a tough (and often asked) question. I used Miss Silvia daily for
3&1/2 years until Dec. '05, a great single boiler machine IMO. OTH I know
people just as happy with their Gaggia Classics. From what I understand the
Gaggia might be easier to use initially having less temp overshoot because
of IRRC smaller boiler, OTH the same smaller boiler I've heard doesn't
perform as well steaming. Also the Gaggias have aluminum boilers while the
Silvia brass, makes a difference to some people. Another factor could be a
rather large experience group to draw from on the Silvia.
A big question could be do you plan on making milk based drinks on a regular
basis? If so you may want to really consider an entry level HX machine. If
for only one you can get by with a single boiler, but even making two
cappucinos with a single boiler is a huge compromise in drink quality.
Having recently upgraded from Silvia to a higher end HX it's really nice
being able to go directly from shot to steaming. (or with some machines even
start shot and immediately start steaming, which is what I'm able to do with
the Bricoletta.)
I'd also suggest you spend some time on home-barrista.com and coffeegeek.com
reading anything and everthing pertaining to espresso. Of course, the result
could be even more confused than now!-)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Ydnar
	Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:55 PM
	
	That's where the list members figure in.  The more I research the
subject, the more confusing it becomes.  It seems that Miss Sylvia and the
Gaggia s/s Classic are at the top of the list (especially cost-wise) and I
can live with a Sylvia 20 minute warm up.
	Even though Tom and Maria's site provides a wealth of information,
there's still this confusing gray area.  So I'd really appreciate a little
guidance based on your collective personal experiences.

6) From: B. Scott Harroff
Aw, heck, just point to the LM GS3 threat and avoid upgradeits.

7) From: mIke mcKoffee
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ROFLOL! At first I thought it was a typo, but no...
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

8) From: B. Scott Harroff
Yea, too much time reading on HB = threat to checking account.

9) From: Larry Dorman
I've been using the Gaggia Espresso that the list members helped get
me into...  I've been quite happy with it.  I make pretty much
exclusively lattes and haven't had any problems with a lack of steam. 
It also gets up to temp pretty quickly.  I usually turn it on when I
get up for work in the morning and it's ready before I'm ready to make
my morning latte.
This particular machine definitely isn't for high volume use though...
LarryD

10) From: Alchemist John
A couple days late on this, but why not.  I am one of the ones with a 
Gaggia Classic and am happy with it.  I don't do any steamed drinks, 
so that is moot for my consideration.  I also started with a 
Delonghi, so no laughing here.  I was happy with it.  The one thing 
it REALLY taught me was my technique.  You don't have much else to go 
on.  So my advise is to follow in  my Delonghi-Gaggia steps and go 
for a Gaggia.
At 17:18 1/16/2006, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

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12) From: Jerry Procopio
I need some advice on which espresso machine to buy.  Right now I am 
using an Isomac Venus and have been quite happy with her, but in July 
when we did the NYC espresso tasting field trip we started our day by 
visiting John Nanavati.  I fell in love with his Quickmill Vetrano. 
What a beauty.  And quiet!  That rotary pump is a gem.  I'm not sure the 
Vetrano is what I want to purchase but it I'd like something similar. 
(I'm still trying to figure out the difference between the Vetrano and 
the Andreja Premium).  My budget is $1500 ħ $100 and Mickie and I agreed 
today that I should fund this new Mistress with earnings from my coffee 
sales.  I am refurbishing a Mazzer Major that I will be selling and will 
ultimately sell Venus. The $$$ from those two sales will augment the 
fund.  I only sell 25 - 30 pounds of coffee a month, at $10 per pound 
y'all know that I am not making a killing there.  It will be a while 
before the fund is built up for any significant purchase.
In the meantime, here are my preferences.  I prefer shiny stainless to 
brushed.  Silly maybe, but with the big price tag "pretty" gets to 
count.  My wife doesn't (often) drink straight espresso, so I need the 
ability to steam without having to wait like I have to with Venus.  I 
guess this means I need either a double boiler or a HX.  I don't know 
which (nor why).  We both drink Americanos, so a hot water spout would 
be a big plus.  I would like a pressure stat so I am not stuck pumping 
at 13 bar just because some Italian set it that way when he built it.  I 
will probably plumb the unit to my water line, but this isn't a 
necessary feature - unless plumbing is required to have a rotary pump. 
Possibly a PID too. I haven't seen much talk about pidding a HX machine 
- but I haven't been looking either.
Since I haven't been in the market for a new espresso machine, I have 
ignored most of the espresso maker posts for the last couple years so I 
know that I am way behind the curve when we bring technology into the 
equation.  I have alot to learn, but again, this isn't a purchase that I 
will make soon, but it IS on my horizon.
So with all I have said, and some may be without foundation, what would 
  *YOU* buy if you had $1400 - $1600 burning a hole in your pocket?  I 
am open to suggestion and willing (and ready) to learn.
Please do what you can to make me smart!
Thanks,
JavaJerry
RK Drum roasting in Chesapeake, VA

13) From: mirrera
Jerry Procopio wrote:
"I need some advice on which espresso machine to buy."
I'm kind of surprised that no one has yet responded to this.  I'll throw my suggestion out there, which meets many (but not all) of your requirements.
My machine is a La Spaziale Vivaldi II.  It is quite a bit over your budget (goes for $2k), but is truly excellent.  It hits many of the features you want (double boiler, unlimited steaming capacity, very stable temp management, no surfing, direct plumb, rotary pump, hot water).  It misses on a couple, though, too, most notably the price.  The other thing about it is it's a bit ugly.  Some would say "industrial looking", but with its dark sides, it doesn't have the striking appearance of the all-stainless models out there.
I'm very, very happy with it.  The double boiler is an enormously useful feature.  I pretty much never have to worry about temperature (you can set the temp in 1 degree C increments).  The rotary pump is relatively quiet.  I didn't think that the fact that it's directly plumbed would make that much of a difference to me, but it is so much nicer than filling a reservoir.
The Vetrano is a very good machine, too.  It's certainly a lot prettier, has top quality components, and is in your price range.  But you're going to have to decide whether you "need" a double boiler, or if an HX machine will suffice.  For me, the wife drinks a lot of milk drinks, so I opted for the convenience of the double boiler over beauty (the lovely LM GS3 wasn't out yet, as if I could have afforded it). 
One other double boiler that you may want to take a look at is the Expobar Brewtus.  Reviews on Coffee Geek and H-B on the ones that make your short list are a must read, too.
You can find the Vivaldi for sale at the same retailer that offers the Vetrano.
-AdkMike

14) From: miKe mcKoffee
If I needed a home espresso machine with a $1400-$1600 machine budget =
I'd
buy the same machine that's been on my counter for just shy of two =
years:
Fiorenzato Bricoletta direct plumbed rotary lever semi-automatic =
currently
MSRP $1694 selling for $1473 inc. s/h. The Izzo Alex might be an option =
if
wanting rotary with tank or direct plumbed operation already built in at =
the
simple flip of a lever. However the Alex would not perform as well as =
the
Bric' in high usage entertaining being designed to operate on 15A with =
it's
1400w heater compared to Bric's 1900w heater. Lower powered heater and
corresponding slower recovery/rebound times same for Quick Mill line. =
But
the performance difference would really only be seen if your skills were =
up
to speed anyway and not an issue for a couple of espresso beverages. But =
a
big difference if entertaining with a dozen or so to make!
Primary difference between QM Vetrano and AJ: rotary direct plumbed =
versus
vibe pump tank with direct plumb option.
FWIW I agree looks matter, you're gonna be looking at whatever you =
decide
for years to come. I love the retro shiny corrugated "garbage can wrap" =
of
the original Bricoletta line (verus the Volante Bricoletta line and most
other prosumer machines) While the original Bricoletta line does not =
have
shot pressure gauge, it's not an issue. Shot pressue is something you =
set
and forget not stare at while pulling shots. PF gauge to temporarily =
mount
on your PF around a quarter. (quarter C note that is:-) 
There are currently really only two DB prosumer machines and both over =
your
stated budget. The vibe pump tank fill Expobar Brewtus II $1699.99 and
direct plumbed rotary La Spaziale Vivaldi II $1995. Between the two I'd
recommend the VII for various reasons. How HX (heat exchanger) versus DB
(dual boiler) differ? Rather than regurgitate what's already been =
written
time for you to hit Home-barista and get studying! Maybe start here:http://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee">http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide.htmlPacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
www.mcKonaKoffee.com
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
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15) From: Leo Zick
1500 is a good budget for a machine.
i 2nd the spaz, and the v1 can be found in your range.
another option for good coffee is the elektra microcasa
personally though, having an hx and a lever, id spend the money on a lever,
which is most likely less money!
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Jerry,
I have had a Vetrano for 14 months now, so I may be of some assistance.  =
I have interspersed answers and comments to your original post.  See =
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the Andreja Premium).   
The Vetrano and the Andrea are very similar, but the differences are =
that the Andrea uses a vibe pump and has a water reservoir.  There is an =
optional plumb in kit available for it.  The Vetrano has a rotary pump =
and no tank.  It must be plumbed in.  Otherwise the machines are pretty =
much the same.  As you mentioned the roatary pump is much quieter and it =
has a smother delivery of water and the maximum pressure can be easily =
set.  The downside is that it must be plumbed in which limits its =
portability and where it can be installed.  I did not find this to be a =
problem, but YMMV.
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The shiny finish shows finger prints and water spots more than the =
brushed, but they clean off easily.  The Vetrano is a very pretty and =
impressive looking machine.  This has nothing to do with its =
functionality, but like you said, pretty does count for something.  
My wife doesn't (often) drink straight espresso, so I need the 
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Like I said earlier, the rotary pump requires a contiunal water supply.  =
I would also recommend a leak detector in the supply line to turn off =
the water source if something goes wrong.  Before I got one, I had a =
valve malfunction during the night and flood my kitchen.  The plumbed in =
system provides an unlimited amount of water for brewing, but also for =
flooding.  
There are PID kits available for HX machines, but they really aren't =
needed.  The temp surf procedure with an HX is very simple and straight =
forward.  It is also very predictable.  (When I visited miKe, he =
demonstrated how accurate his countin procedure was using a Scace for =
verification.  He was within 2/10 of a degree of his target temp. Of =
course, miKe's abilities are above average)  All HXs that I kow of use a =
pressure stat for temperature control.  If you get a Vetrano, spend the =
extra for the upgraded stat.  It is highly worth it and costs a lot less =
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In general, HX machines cost a bit less than DB machines.  They require =
a little more talent to use.  You have to do a simple temp surf to get =
the brew temp correct.  With the DB, you still need to do a flush of the =
grouphead, but the temp is more stable.  This is an advantage if you use =
the same SO or blend most of the time.  The HX actually lets you adjust =
temps on the fly easier for different brews.  
All in all, I have been pleased with my Vetrano.  I have had a couple of =
problems, but Chris' service dept. was excellent to deal with.  I bought =
a unit that had been returned under the buyer's remorse policy.  I got a =
substantal discount and it came with the same warranty as a new machine. =
 The other machine I seriously considered was the Bric.  I think it =
might be built a bit more heavy duty than the Vetrano, but their specs =
arevery similar.  I would have bought which ever one I got the best deal =
on and it turned out to be the Vetrano.  
Since Tom sells machines, I won't comment on dealers on list, but if you =
contact me off list, I will share what I know about them.  
If you have not already read these articles, or if someone else is =
reading this and is interested, there are a couple of articles on Home =
Barista that explain how various machines work.

17) From: Les
The "Bric" is one nice looking machine and it is very predictable in gettin=
g
your temps once you learn the surfing techniques.  Since firing up the
Expobar again, I am enjoying my Office Control.  I still think the Expobar
is one of the best bangs for the buck out there.  The Office lever looks
nice and has a lot of chrome.  I have the Office control and love the
electronic programmable controls.  For home use, I have never had a
problem.  I can't bang out shots like Mike, but with only 3 coffee drinkers
max in the house it isn't a problem.  These machines are under a grand.  If
money wasn't an object, I would get a Spaziale.  If you must have a rotary,
I would look hard and long at the Bric and the Alex by Izzo.  I like the
Alex because of its flexibility.  I like the Bric because of its larger
boiler.  Now to confuse you even more, I would personally consider the
Valentina Automatic by Grimac Royal.  I like electronic controls!  It is in
your price range.  I am also strongly of the opinion that a commercial
machine that is used as a home machine simply has more power than needed an=
d
you are not using it like it was intended to be used.  It would be like
running my 68 hot rod truck between 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm when the power
band doesn't really kick in until about 4500 rpm!  Besides if I don't wind
it up, the plugs foul and it doesn't run very good.  The same is true with
an espresso machine.  If they are designed to pull shot after shot and you
don't well I think I have painted the picture.  Enjoy your shopping!
Les
Les
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I've found that an HX will let you steam and pull at the same time,  
or immediately seriatim. I think the Andreja Premium has a vibe pump  
while the Vetrano has the much quieter and probably sturdier  
rotary.   Be careful about the Brewtus, though--Expobar, made in  
Spain,  may not have the quality control or tech support to equal  
those of the Italian manufacturers.
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I've found that an HX will let =
you steam and pull at the same time, or immediately seriatim. I think =
the Andreja Premium has a vibe pump while the Vetrano has the much =
quieter and probably sturdier rotary.   Be careful about the Brewtus, =
though--Expobar, made in Spain,  may not have the quality control or =
tech support to equal those of the Italian =
manufacturers.
On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:44 AM, mirrera =
wrote:
Jerry Procopio wrote:"I need some advice on which espresso machine to = buy." I'm kind = of surprised that no one has yet responded to this.  I'll throw my suggestion out = there, which meets many (but not all) of your requirements. My = machine is a La Spaziale Vivaldi II.  It is quite a bit over your = budget (goes for $2k), but is truly excellent.  It hits many of the features = you want (double boiler, unlimited steaming capacity, very stable temp = management, no surfing, direct plumb, rotary pump, hot water).  It misses on a couple, = though, too, most notably the price.  The other thing about it is = it's a bit ugly.  Some = would say "industrial looking", but with its dark sides, it doesn't have = the striking appearance of the all-stainless models out there. I'm = very, very happy with it.  = The double boiler is an enormously useful feature.  I pretty much never have to = worry about temperature (you can set the temp in 1 degree C = increments).  The rotary = pump is relatively quiet.  = I didn't think that the fact that it's directly plumbed would = make that much of a difference to me, but it is so much nicer than = filling a reservoir.The Vetrano is a very good = machine, too.  It's = certainly a lot prettier, has top quality components, and is in your = price range.  But you're = going to have to decide whether you "need" a double boiler, or if an HX = machine will suffice.  = For me, the wife drinks a lot of milk drinks, so I opted for the = convenience of the double boiler over beauty (the lovely LM GS3 wasn't = out yet, as if I could have afforded it).  One other = double boiler that you may want to take a look at is the Expobar = Brewtus.  Reviews on = Coffee Geek and H-B on the ones that make your short list are a must = read, too. You can find the Vivaldi for sale at the same = retailer that offers the Vetrano. -AdkMike homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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I like electronic controls too............until they break.  Knowing  
what I do now, I'd have bought the Livia 90 semi-auto instead of the  
auto; chances are she'd still be happily chugging along instead of  
sitting inside the workshop of the world's flakiest repairman with  
her guts hanging out for two months and counting.  (Silvia, having  
been pressed back into service, has gone above and beyond the call of  
duty).
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I like electronic controls too............until they break.  Knowing =
what I do now, I'd have bought the Livia 90 semi-auto instead of the =
auto; chances are she'd still be happily chugging along instead of =
sitting inside the workshop of the world's flakiest repairman with her =
guts hanging out for two months and counting.  (Silvia, having been =
pressed back into service, has gone above and beyond the call of =
duty).
On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Les wrote:
 I am enjoying my Office = Control.  I still think the Expobar is one of the best bangs for the = buck out there.  The Office lever looks nice and has a lot of chrome. = I have the Office control and love the electronic programmable = controls.  Sandywww.sass-music.com
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20) From: Les
Sandy,
The "Bric" is made in Spain.  The touch pads on most of the good home
machines are the same as on the commercial machines.  They are proven
and can take years of use in the commercial environment.
Les
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21) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_M._J=E1come?=
Hey Jerry, long time! I bought an Isomac La Mondiale for my small coffee
business. I believe it to be the most beautiful prosumer HX machine out
there, and performs damn well too. I have it set up in a small commercial
environmet (up to 15 coffee beverages per hour), and have not had a problem=
.
And with a 2 liter reservoir and 2 liter boiler, you will have plenty water
and steam available. Mine was set to 10 bar for the pump, but it was a
breeze to lower it to 8.5. I believe all the components are of very good
quality, and has a lot of useful security features.
Hope it helps!
Kind regards,
Juan M. Jácome
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22) From: gin
my La Valentino has performed for almost 5 years, works every day, it's touch pads have never failed and I change their parameters  all the time, bright stainless, on 24/7 for at minimum 4 days a week, cleaned every other
week with the daily routine stuff a matter of fact.
great machine Jerry.
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23) From: RK
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Jerry I have been around the block several times and have spent way to much
on espresso machines to have finally settled on the La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi
its the older version of the one out now the S2
Double boiler volumetric dosing, and electronic adjustable controlled group
temps.
Rotary pump and direct plumbed.
I love and wish I had bought one from the beginning.
It has a nice coffee shop appearance and does a great job with espresso and
steaming milk.
JMO
RK

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The touch pads on my Livia 90A were fine--it was the automatic water- 
dosing circuitry that went blooey.
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The touch pads on my Livia 90A were fine--it was the automatic =
water-dosing circuitry that went blooey.
On Oct 5, 2007, at =
7:11 PM, Les wrote:
Sandy,The "Bric" is = made in Spain.  The touch = pads on most of the good homemachines are = the same as on the commercial machines.  They are provenand can take years of use in the commercial = environment. Les On 10/5/07, Sandy Andina <sandraandina> = wrote:  I like electronic controls = too............until they break.  = Knowing what Ido now, I'd have bought the = Livia 90 semi-auto instead of the auto; chancesare she'd still be happily chugging along instead of = sitting inside theworkshop of the world's = flakiest repairman with her guts hanging out for twomonths and counting.  (Silvia, having been pressed = back into service, hasgone above and beyond the = call of duty). On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Les wrote: I am = enjoying my Office Control.  = I still think the Expobar is one of thebest bangs for the buck out there.  The Office lever looks nice = and has alot of chrome.  I have the Office control and = love the electronicprogrammable = controls. Sandy homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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How does the LaMondiale differ from the Millennium and the Téa? (I  
know the latter is discontinued, right?).
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How does the LaMondiale differ from the Millennium and the Téa? (I =
know the latter is discontinued, right?).
On Oct 5, 2007, =
at 7:40 PM, Juan M. Jácome wrote:
Hey Jerry, = long time! I bought an Isomac La Mondiale for my small coffee business. = I believe it to be the most beautiful prosumer HX machine out there, and = performs damn well too. www.sass-music.com
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26) From: miKe mcKoffee
Uh, no, unless Italy has become a province of Spain...
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27) From: Jerry Procopio
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Thank you all for piping in on this thread with ALL this information.  
And thanks miKe and Mike for the links.  I have a bunch of reading and 
learning to do but at least now I know where to start looking. 
Muchas gracias,
Jerry
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28) From: Les
Thanks for the correction Mike.  I thought they were made in Spain.
You would know!
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29) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Quick questions. You mentioned you're refurbishing a Mazzer Major to sell.
Why selling it? What grinder are you/will be using for YOUR espresso duties?
Hmmm, what condition is the Major in now and what do you want for it? If
it's a size issue we have one Major & three Super Jolly's currently lined up
for the cafe, could possible work out a swap deal for a smaller SJ. (Two of
the SJ's would be inappropriate for home use, brand new 220v models got new
in unopened boxes for $500, total not each!:-)  Just rambling thoughts...
 
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jerry Procopio
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:57 AM
Thank you all for piping in on this thread with ALL this information.  And
thanks miKe and Mike for the links.  I have a bunch of reading and learning
to do but at least now I know where to start looking.  
Muchas gracias,
Jerry

30) From: Jerry Procopio
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miKe,
The "quick" answers to your quick questions are I'm selling it because I 
don't need 3 grinders.  I will be using the Nuova Simonelli MDX-A for 
espresso duty.  The Major works great.  I'm not interested in a swap but 
since I don't have Tom & Maria's permission to list it for sale here we 
ought to take this off list to about price or specific sale details. 
The detailed answer to your questions (for those curious people) is I 
had two Mazzer Majors that I got from TAGEX on ebay when they were 
dumping the old *$ grinders.  I converted one to doserless and use it 
for my "regular" grind - TV, Chemex, FP.  The other Major has been my 
espresso grinder and has done a superb job.  I recently received the 
"new" Nuova Simonelli (for free) and it found a new home on my counter.  
It's actually about 10 years old, but has had maybe 5 - 10 pounds of 
coffee run through it over a 5 year period and had been sitting in a 
storeroom at our country club for about 5 years now.  When I tried to 
make a deal for it, the club manager told me if I could get it to work I 
could have it.  I still haven't told him it wasn't broken .  The 
Major that I had been using for espresso works perfectly - but the TAGEX 
folks did a reeeeealy crappy paint job on it when they "refurbished" it 
for resale.  I have the machine apart now, stripped of old paint, 
sanded, sanded, sanded, primed & sanded again and am ready to apply the 
2nd coat of enamel to it.  I replaced burrs in both Mazzers, bought 
short hoppers, just replaced the lens in the doser and have a new gasket 
on order.  It's starting to look so good that I may have to repaint the 
doserless Major while I have the paint booth (a camping tent) set up. 
JavaJerry
RK Drum roasting (and grinder painting) in Chesapeake, VA
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