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Topic: My bad --> Re: OT: Re: Ginny (on list) (7 msgs / 353 lines)
1) From: amyrobb
I'm just a newbie to this list and haven't been around long enough to judge other members' personalities or preferences.  However, I have enjoyed several years of surfing the Web and participating in numerous mailing lists and message forums.  My opinion has long been that the best way to avoid these distracting, OT posts is to convert to the Web forum-based message system, rather than a subscription-based mailing list.
Okay, so everyday (or several times during the day) you receive these emails from the SM mailing list.  That is very convenient.  They just arrive in your email inbox and you can read them at your leisure.  You don't have to go to a Website or log into a forum account.  And you can easily read them at work without getting into trouble because if anyone is looking, it probably looks like you're just reading a "business-related" email.  Other than that, I see no benefits to a mailing list.  Seriously, when I get these SM emails, I have to scroll through pages of clutter to find a particular post that I'm interested in reading.  AND, I get every single post that someone sends to the list, including every OT post and complaint about OT posts.  Not to mention that the format of the mailing lists is kind of FUBAR because there is relatively little format to the messages.  Every post seems to be duplicated in each message, and each message gets more and more cluttered because many p
 eople do not know how to remove the 18 levels of original messages below their replies (or they don't care to remove them).
I find the Web-based forum to be much easier to peruse and make sense of.  I can easily read only those messages that I want to.  The forum quickly and easily informs me of which messages are new.  The forum is broken up into distinct topics and categories; so I know where to look for specific information or where to post a question related to a specific category.  
The mailing list doesn't do that for me.  Everything arrives all jumbled together in one email, and it takes me forever to find the particular post I want to read (all the while scrolling past numerous posts that I will read later, only to find that I have scrolled too far and passed up the post I wanted!).
What are other members' thoughts on this?  What method do you prefer?  I realize there are probably many members who have subscribed to the list for a long time and are used to it and maybe prefer it to the Web forum.  Why is that?  I'm no youngster who is all about the newest and greatest thing on the Web.  I'm starting to get up there in years, but I've been on the Web for quite awhile.  I just find the forums to be easier to use and more organized.  Mailing lists seem kind of antiquated to me.  The only reason I joined the SM mailing list in the first place is because I didn't even know they had a Web-based forum.  SM certainly doesn't seem to advertise it on the Website anywhere.  Now that I have found it, I read up on all the posts I want to by visiting the forums.  However, I have not unsubscribed from the mailing list quite yet.  But that's only because I have found what I think are a few discrepancies in receiving posts in the mailing list versus seeing them on the fo
 rums.  Something just isn't jiving quite yet.
Anyway, I'll quit rambling now.  I have a tendency to be long-winded, but that's usually because I often don't post anything until I have a lot to say about the subject.  Sorry for the lengthy post.  Thanks for the forum!!!
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Robb W.
If only some genius could bottle a Kona Peaberry Pinot Noir.  Mmm, coffee wine...  Would that be weird?

2) From: Brett Mason
If you like the forum... well, See Ya!
Kinda fixes the nuisance....
Brett
On 1/18/06, amyrobb  wrote:
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ge other members' personalities or preferences.  However, I have enjoyed se=
veral years of surfing the Web and participating in numerous mailing lists =
and message forums.  My opinion has long been that the best way to avoid th=
ese distracting, OT posts is to convert to the Web forum-based message syst=
em, rather than a subscription-based mailing list.
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ils from the SM mailing list.  That is very convenient.  They just arrive i=
n your email inbox and you can read them at your leisure.  You don't have t=
o go to a Website or log into a forum account.  And you can easily read the=
m at work without getting into trouble because if anyone is looking, it pro=
bably looks like you're just reading a "business-related" email.  Other tha=
n that, I see no benefits to a mailing list.  Seriously, when I get these S=
M emails, I have to scroll through pages of clutter to find a particular po=
st that I'm interested in reading.  AND, I get every single post that someo=
ne sends to the list, including every OT post and complaint about OT posts.=
  Not to mention that the format of the mailing lists is kind of FUBAR beca=
use there is relatively little format to the messages.  Every post seems to=
 be duplicated in each message, and each message gets more and more clutter=
ed because many p
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 their replies (or they don't care to remove them).
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  I can easily read only those messages that I want to.  The forum quickly =
and easily informs me of which messages are new.  The forum is broken up in=
to distinct topics and categories; so I know where to look for specific inf=
ormation or where to post a question related to a specific category.
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together in one email, and it takes me forever to find the particular post =
I want to read (all the while scrolling past numerous posts that I will rea=
d later, only to find that I have scrolled too far and passed up the post I=
 wanted!).
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realize there are probably many members who have subscribed to the list for=
 a long time and are used to it and maybe prefer it to the Web forum.  Why =
is that?  I'm no youngster who is all about the newest and greatest thing o=
n the Web.  I'm starting to get up there in years, but I've been on the Web=
 for quite awhile.  I just find the forums to be easier to use and more org=
anized.  Mailing lists seem kind of antiquated to me.  The only reason I jo=
ined the SM mailing list in the first place is because I didn't even know t=
hey had a Web-based forum.  SM certainly doesn't seem to advertise it on th=
e Website anywhere.  Now that I have found it, I read up on all the posts I=
 want to by visiting the forums.  However, I have not unsubscribed from the=
 mailing list quite yet.  But that's only because I have found what I think=
 are a few discrepancies in receiving posts in the mailing list versus seei=
ng them on the fo
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 that's usually because I often don't post anything until I have a lot to s=
ay about the subject.  Sorry for the lengthy post.  Thanks for the forum!!!
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 wine...  Would that be weird?
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Regards,
Brett Mason
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   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

3) From: tom ulmer
Hmmm... It seems to me that you've found the very reason that most of us
enjoy this type of format. Using this method to elegantly (elegance is a
self-described style) express your thoughts and methods and share the
opinions of like-minded individuals is wonderful. I personally find negative
posts offensive but I have known what the delete key was since the first
time I looked at the keyboard.
Cheers

4) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
Hello to all who've responded under the subject line,
"*RE: My bad --> Re: OT: Re: Ginny (on list)"
*- - - -which is sort of my point (as well as being off topic to this
particular off topic).  By my count, and by my Gmail configuration, this is
the third separate post under that subject line-----with each thread having
multiple posts.  IMO, one way to make the list more manageable, apart from
the issues of negative posts or OT posts, is to give some extra attention t=
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when we start a new thread and when we add a new thought to an existing
thread. On the other hand, is it possible that different people's "reply"
protocols inadvertently start new threads?
Now, I realize that I may be begging to be hit with a "use the delete!"
bomb, or accused of trying to control list behavior.  But the question is
serious, and the "problem" seems to occur with some frequency. Thoughts on
this?
--
Martin
Heat + Beans
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5) From: Rick Copple
amyrobb wrote:
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Hi Rob,
I've already said this before, so I won't repeat everything I said, just 
everything else! ;-)
I prefer email list like this. I'm on several, some on Yahoo, some on 
Google. I get them all in one place (it would take way too much time to 
log into all the sites I get email from and poke around in them), and I 
have the email program to all the work. I have a folder for each list 
I'm on, and filters that send post from that list to that folder. Fairly 
easy to set up.
I hate digest, which is apparently what you are on, for all the reasons 
you state. I would hate to have to scroll down through umpteen post to 
find the "good stuff", or what I want to read. A digest is totally 
meaningless to me since I can put all the post in one folder. If I'm not 
interested in a thread, I simply don't click on that email. I avoid all 
that time wasting scrolling. I've never understood why anyone would 
think it saves them any time or is a good thing to get a whole day's 
worth of post lumped into one long email that goes on forever and is 
totally inflexible. Sorting into a folder serves the same purpose but is 
flexible.
I probably wouldn't be subscribed to any list that only serve up digest 
(but I've never ran across one that only does digest).
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I guess that might be a consideration for some. I'm way too busy at work 
to look at a list like this. I suppose if I had one of those jobs where 
I don't have much to do, or am a security guard, them maybe. ;-)
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That is only because you are on digest mode. All the benefits you list 
for the forum I have with a mailing list, the way I set up my email 
program to handle them. I look at them threaded and in their own folder. 
I ignore threads I'm not interested in and read the ones I want. People 
who start new topics in a thread I'm not reading are just out of luck. 
Should have started it as a new thread.
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Same for my email.
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That's because you are on digest. I would suggest getting off it. You 
would be much happier!
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That should be painfully obvious by now. ;-)
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Because the only advantage I can see to it is you can put up pictures 
and sometimes it has functions that you cannot do in an email. I 
generally lose my spell checker. Some of the forums have one (several 
I've tried didn't work) but they are slower. If they don't have one, I 
have to write out my reply in Word or something, make corrections, cut 
and paste to the forum. So much easier in an email.
Simply put, my email is faster, easier, and I only want text anyway. If 
I want to show a picture I'll put it on my web site and link to it (not 
everyone can do that, I know).
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As long as they work, I'm all for staying with the proven methods.
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I think that is because they are still working on it. Not even sure they 
have decided to stay with it. It is a lot more work for the people who 
maintain it because people will post off topic in the wrong forum. On 
one such forum I'm on, a person posted the same message in about five 
different forums, apparently not understanding how that worked. As long 
as you have humans, you are going to have such things. OT or not.
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Yea, as I said, I think they are still working out the bugs. If it works 
for you, then great, go for it. I'm sure from what I did see of the 
forum (went there once to sign in so my emails would get linked to my 
name there) you will like it. Seemed nice as far as forums go.
-- 
Rick Copple
Marble Falls, TXhttp://blog.copple.us/?sectionid=5

6) From: Robb Walker
Rick, thank you for your response.  It made me decide to investigate my
mailing list settings.  Indeed I was on Digest Mode (is that the default
setting?  Yikes!), and this was the main source of my frustration.  I have
since changed my settings to receive individual emails for each post.  This
makes it much easier and less straining on my eyes.  I now see why many
people enjoy receiving the posts in this fashion.  This makes me wonder if
some of the mailing lists I subscribed to in the past (but have unsubscribed
since because of the same complaints I posted here) had Digest Mode as the
default setting for receiving posts.  I didn't know you could receive
individual messages.
Oh well, you live and learn I guess.  Now, do you have any recommendations
on how to set up your email so it automatically sorts the posts into folders
based on the topic?  Or do you have a link I could follow for more info?
Thanks again!
Robb W.
 
If only some genius would bottle a Kona Peaberry Pinot Noir.  Mmm, coffee
wine...  Would that be weird?
 
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7) From: Gary Townsend
Robb Walker wrote:
Rick, thank you for your response.  It made me decide to investigate my
mailing list settings.  Indeed I was on Digest Mode (is that the default
setting?  Yikes!), and this was the main source of my frustration.  I have
since changed my settings to receive individual emails for each post.  This
makes it much easier and less straining on my eyes.
Robb,
I hope your email account can handle all the traffic!
I still receive the list, in digest mode, on my yahoo account, the one I
first signed up for this list on.
It was really hard to try to keep up with all the posts.
Since a fellow listmember "invited" me to try out Googles 'G-mail', I gave
it a  chance, and over a year later, I still like it!
I have over 100 invites to give out, if anybody want's to try it, just emai=
l
me, and I'll send  you one. It's free, works, and a nice way to 'archive'
this list, for future reference.
Gary    garybt3


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