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Topic: Kids and coffee (30 msgs / 748 lines)
1) From: an iconoclast
On 1/24/06, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
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My 4 yr old granddaughter and I have a ritual of smelling the coffee
beans that are being moved from the valve bags to containers 24 hrs
after roasting.  The aroma is absolutely pure heaven.
Ann

2) From: Tara Kollas
My two year old daughter loves to watch the espresso machine in action - I
have a bottomless PF, so she gets a pretty good view of things.  She doesn'=
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like my coffee though (at least the way I drink it) - she likes Daddy's
because it's sweetened.  The 1 1/2 year old likes to watch the Hottop (when
I have the glass plate cleaned enough so you can see the beans moving, that
is).  Haven't tried giving her coffee yet.  Maybe that's why she's so
cranky!
Tara
On 1/24/06, an iconoclast  wrote:
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3) From: French Lewis
Both my children (3 and 18 months) love to help with
the Zassenhaus manual grinder.   My son (18 months)
will help turn the crank a few revolutions then stop
and say "beans?" and open the lid to see if there are
still beans in the hopper.   My daughter runs over
when I take the mason jars from the cabinet to get
ready to grind.    She says "It smells yummy".  
Neither like straight coffee, but they do enjoy when
we make MiKe's hot fudge sundaes (espresso, hot fudge,
vanilla ice cream who wouldn't like it?)
french
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4) From: Jason Brooks
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To add my $.02, my three are sporadically interested.  My son, 22 months,
loves to help grind on occasion, as do my two daughters, 5 and 3.  I've
made a decaf, chocolate soy based cappuccino, or maybe a latte for my
oldest, but not recently.  Can't quite remember if she liked it.  Been
meaning to retry it, but haven't made it yet.
Jason

5) From: Sandy Andina
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When Gordy (now 21 and partial to quad Americanos) was two, we took  
him to a Boston fine dining restaurant (Wild Goose, now defunct) when  
we were on vacation.  When our coffee drinks came, he got all excited  
and exclaimed, "Ah, cappa-tseeno!!!" The waiter darn near fainted.
On Jan 25, 2006, at 9:48 AM, Tara Kollas wrote:
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When Gordy (now 21 and partial =
to quad Americanos) was two, we took him to a Boston fine dining =
restaurant (Wild Goose, now defunct) when we were on vacation.  When =
our coffee drinks came, he got all excited and exclaimed, "Ah, =
cappa-tseeno!!!" The waiter darn near fainted.
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2006, at 9:48 AM, Tara Kollas wrote:
My = two year old daughter loves to watch the espresso machine in action - I = have a bottomless PF, so she gets a pretty good view of things.  She = doesn't like my coffee though (at least the way I drink it) - she likes = Daddy's because it's sweetened.  The 1 1/2 year old likes to watch the = Hottop (when I have the glass plate cleaned enough so you can see the = beans moving, that is).  Haven't tried giving her coffee yet.  Maybe = that's why she's so cranky! Tara   On 1/24/06, an = iconoclast <an.iconoclast> = wrote: On 1/24/06, = Woody DeCasere <wdecasere<= /A> > wrote: > My daughter who is 4 loves to help me to cool = the coffee in the > colander, she likes to stir the beans, and = help me put them in the jars. > > My son who is 18 months is = already a coffee nut, he begs for coffee, so > we put a drop on = our finger and he just loves it, but doesn't get very > much, just = a taste really. My 4 yr old granddaughter and I have a ritual of = smelling the coffee beans that are being moved from the valve bags to = containers 24 hrs after roasting.  The aroma is absolutely pure = heaven. Ann h= omeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-5-992475069--

6) From: Jerry Procopio
When it comes to coffee... (roasting, drinking, and especially 
equipment) ...aren't we ALL kids?
Jerry (needs a new toy)
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7) From: Justin Nevins
This morning, my 6 year old & 4 year old wanted a cup of coffee. I thought,
"Who am I to deny them the experience?" So, I poured them each a little 4oz
cup (which they thought were "cute"), and they sat there and sipped on it
while eating their cereal. My 4 year old kept telling me how good it was,
and before I knew it, he had emptied the cup and was asking for more. I was
surprised since it was black coffee, but I also had to consider whether it
is a good idea to give such a high strung kid another cup of caffeine. His
smile convinced me to give him another half of a cup, which he downed
quickly, and then asked for more. I gave just a little bit more. About the
same time, my 6 year old finished his first cup, and wanted more, so I
agreed, and gave him a half of a cup. They finished their cereal, and are
now in the living room watching cartoons, but the 4 year old keeps coming
back in wanting another sip. He REALLY likes it. He is the kid that is most
interested in helping me roast too, so maybe he just has an affinity towards
coffee.
A month ago, my youngest (1 year old) wanted a taste of my coffee, and since
it was cooled off, I gave him a sip, but he quickly grabbed the cup,
attempting to gulp it down. I let him have just a little bit more, and then
pulled it away...that made him cry, but I figured that it would be unwise to
let him have more. I know a guy who used to put coffee in a bottle for his
little ones. I thought that was nuts, but not for giving them coffee...just
for giving them so much. Anyway, what do you guys think of giving kids
coffee (black)?
A lot of my friend think I am nuts, but most of them would give their kids
Dr. Pepper or coke, which I think is a lot worse for them. Then again, most
of them would have to force feed their kids to get them to drink their
folgers or charbucks. Perhaps kids have better taste in coffee than many
adults.
Justin Nevins

8) From: Randall Nortman
I'm a strong believer in keeping caffeine of any sort away from kids,
whether in soft drinks, coffee, or tea.  I mean, do you really want
them to have more energy?
But that doesn't mean they can't have coffee.  This sounds like a job
for decaf.  They won't know the difference if you don't tell them.
And really, decaf can be good if you get the good stuff.  SM's stocks
a number of excellent decafs.  It's what I drink after dinner.
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9) From: Brett Mason
Dude - you'll stunt their growth.
You might make them into anxious nervous wrecks.
Or they might turn out normal.
Nope, you should feed them soda pop, junk burgers and french fries.
The coffee stuff will hurt them.
Right.
Me and my kids drink coffee just fine!
Brett
On 6/23/07, Justin Nevins  wrote:
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10) From: Justin Nevins
I will certainly limit their caffeine intake. I can imagine how crazy they
would get if they had as much as I do on a daily basis.  But, I'm
not scared by it. If they start wanting enough to where I need to make them
their own french press, I'll start looking at decaf. I just generally don't
drink decaf...I forget I have any decaf greens...errr...brownish unroasted
decaf coffee beans. A good mokha pot puts me right to sleep.
Justin Nevins
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11) From: Justin Nevins
How old are your kids Brett? Just curious.
Justin Nevins
On 6/23/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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12) From: Angelo
I read that caffeine is being used to calm down kids with ADD. 
Homeopathic approach, maybe?
I also read that decafe can cause stomach problems....
Don't take my Gonzo memory for fact. I would research those claims if 
I were you...
A
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13) From: Donald Varona
Justin Nevins wrote:
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I have always been of the philosophy that kids must be properly 
introduced to anything they will have to experience as adults.  For 
example, it makes no sense to me that alcoholic drinks are illegal to 
give to minors, until they are 21.  Although the law may not be exactly 
that, that seems to be the experience we try to give them.
How does a young adult, with the sudden availability of alcohol, know 
anything about how much is too much, how it affects them, how vulnerable 
they can become, etc?  It makes sense to me to give small amounts in 
authoritatively-defined quantities, so that you can observe them and so 
that they can ease into it.
Having said that, 7oz of normal drip coffee to me seems a large amount 
for a 4 year-old.  A four year old weighs what, 35lbs?  So that means 
7oz of coffee has 5 times the affect that it would on an adult.  You in 
effect gave him over a quart of coffee.
Regardless, what is more important, is how did it affect him later?  Was 
he up until tomorrow?  If he likes it so much but it affects him 
negatively, you'll probably have to bring down the fatherly NO from the 
cabinet for a while.  I am guessing that he is too young to properly 
associate the internal effects of caffeine with the coffee, so he 
doesn't know what makes him feel jittery or gives him the headache later 
when he doesn't have it.  And it sounds like you are susceptible to 
letting their emotions sway you in making the best decision (apply only 
as appropriate, that is just a cursory observation from the other side 
of the Internet).
I'll agree that coffee is better than soft drinks, but soft drinks have 
about half or a third the caffeine strength of coffee.  If they gulp 
coffee like it was a refreshment instead of a beverage, I can only guess 
that it is not a good thing until they are older.
Final admission:  I don't have kids of my own.
--dv

14) From: Brett Mason
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Cheers,
Brett
On 6/23/07, Justin Nevins  wrote:
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15) From: Barry Luterman
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16) From: Sandy Andina
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Also can help with asthma.
On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Angelo wrote:
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I read that caffeine is being used to calm down kids = with ADD. Homeopathic approach, maybe?I also = read that decafe can cause stomach = problems.... Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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17) From: Sandy Andina
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Sounds like a job for espresso-size cups.
On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Donald Varona wrote:
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Having said that, 7oz of normal drip coffee to me = seems a large amount for a 4 year-old.  A four year old weighs what, = 35lbs?  So that means 7oz = of coffee has 5 times the affect that it would on an adult.  You in effect gave him over a = quart of coffee. Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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18) From: Justin Nevins
He's 49lbs (and pretty slim) which is about 1/3 of my body weight, and I
consume anywhere between 16oz and 32oz of coffee a day. I average about 24oz
in the morning (I know, I'm a lightweight). Which means he consumed the
equivalent of me having 21oz...But that is without my tolerance for
caffeine, so it was probably not the best idea to let him start off drinking
that amount. He is sleeping right now though, so it must not have affected
him too much. I am a firm believer in balancing your coffee intake with
appropriate amounts of water. I find that it lessens the affects of caffeine
on my body, and I have encouraged him to drink plenty of water too, so maybe
that helped. I guess time will tell.
I am not really a push-over dad. With four kids who are 6 and under in my
house, I'd be toast if I was. I'm pretty strict, I just pick my battles, and
try to be laid back, otherwise I turn into a drill-sergeant.
Interestingly, my very high-strung little brother used to chill out when we
gave him caffeine. Maybe that supports the ADD theory?
Justin Nevins
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19) From: Justin Nevins
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Lord, Bless you! You've got quite a crew there. I'll bet that has been
challenging, but I am sure it is fun. Way to populate the earth!
Justin Nevins
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20) From: Homeroaster
You play Powerball much?
:::grin:::

21) From: Brett Mason
When I read the instruction #2, I obeyed...  Going forth was #1...
Brett
On 6/23/07, Justin Nevins  wrote:
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22) From: Lynne Biziewski
Ha! You beat me to that one!
L.
On 6/23/07, Homeroaster  wrote:
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23) From: Brett Mason
The scariest part was when our 5th child was born.  See, 1 out of every 5
kids born into this world is Chinese, and we just didn't know what we were
going to get....
B
On 6/23/07, Lynne Biziewski  wrote:
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24) From: Floyd Lozano
I did an internet search, so now I am an expert on the matter.  A 3 min
search turned up one negative article from 1994-1998 data:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EUB/is_2_13/ai_86059681Summary:  too much caffeine / theobromine containing beverages can cause
caffeine / theobromine toxicity in kids because their detoxifying mechanisms
are not fully developed.  Is that a bad thing?  The article says 'it happens
inconsistently'.
As with anything - burgers, fries, TV, exercise, sun, cola, coffee, ice
cream, sleep, internet - it's up to the parents to decide, and either they
will ruin their kids or they won't.  The manual doesn't say.
Personally, I don't think I can keep my child (or children should I later be
so blessed) from drinking coffee forever, but it's not something I am going
to offer her.  I'd rather her spend her developing years getting her non-BHG
containing milk and plain water and the occasional juice and as healthy a
mix of nutrients as I can convince her to eat and develop healthy eating and
drinking habits.  I think the 'myth' that early caffeine stunts growth,
though proven false, might have a shred of truth: if a kid is filling up on
sugar and stimulants, they are less likely to get the proper nutrition to
thrive and possibly too strung out to get the recommended 8-10 hours of
sleep a growing body needs to thrive.
Ask a pediatrician, if you are so inclined to believe doctors, or don't if
you're not.  In the end, there's only so much you can control.  I do agree
that I'd prefer my child drink coffee over soda, even if they add cream and
sugar.  At least I can pronounce those ingredients.
-F
ps if worried about the caffeine, watch the chocolate intake too!
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25) From:
Give kids decaf, they won't know the difference, they'll be fine.  Coffee increases their chances of having good character.  It's best to start them young.  My 10 year old helps me with my roaster, and can make a mean chai latte and steamer.  Beats them being out on the street doing stuff with who knows what.  It's a great hobby-lots of science and art involved.
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26) From: Steven Van Dyke
I've always heard that 'very young' (never heard a good specification 
on that) children normally experience what they call the "anomalous 
reaction" to caffeine - for them it's a depressant rather than a stimulant.
You said your 4 yr old was sleeping later - was that his normal nap / 
bedtime or did he seem a little more laid back than normal?
The reason I know about this is because even though I don't think I 
qualify as 'very young' anymore (maybe it *is* 45 & under) I tend to 
get the anomalous reaction myself.  If really can't get to sleep I'll 
go pull an expresso shot.  I have to be careful though because it's a 
threshold thing with me.  One shot of expresso and I'm soothed and 
can drop right off.  A couple of shots and I get enough caffeine to 
flip me over to the normal reaction and stay up.
Like the others, I'd let them have coffee but not in too great a 
quantity.  If you notice any changes to the good or bad, adjust as required.
Or, to put it more simply, continue in your normal Dad duties. :) 

27) From: Barbara Greenspon
Interesting.  I have known for years that a nice sized cup of coffee  
will make me drossy and put me to sleep.  When I was diagnosed with  
ADHD a couple of years ago, that all made sense, although I know it  
isn't true for some with ADHD.  I would guess its something like the  
same mechanism as ritalin or adderall which to people with out ADHD  
or ADD would be Speed, while to those with either it is the way to  
focus!
Aren't we humans interesting creatures?
Barbara
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28) From: Justin Nevins
Steven Van Dyke wrote:
"You said your 4 yr old was sleeping later - was that his normal nap /
bedtime or did he seem a little more laid back than normal?"
It was his normal nap time. Honestly, the whole day he seemed normal.
All evening though he kept talking about wanting to taste the coffee
we roasted that night (try explaining the concept of resting coffee to
a 4 year old who has no patience to wait for you to finish your
sentance, and I am sure you will find it as entertaining as I did).
He's fascinated by the entire process from greens to cup. I'm hoping
that we can easily redirect that interest toward learning about coffee
producing countries too. We homeschool, so every interest is an avenue
for learning.
Justin Nevins
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29) From: Greg Scace
Anneke (age 2 and a third) likes espresso and she likes cappas.  We 
don't drink much pot coffee so she doesn't get to sample it much.  My 
friend Barry's daughter Madeleine drinks straight espresso.  Anneke 
drinks espresso by licking it off of my finger and then demanding "MORE?!!"
I personally think it's fine for Anneke to drink coffee, although we 
don't encourage her to do so.  There are plenty of kids that drink 
sugary cokes etc.  I have a lot more trouble with that 
stuff.  Anyhow, the topic came up on alt.coffee a year or so ago.  I 
posted a reply similar to this one and some guy from New Zealand 
wrote me the riot act about it.  It was highly annoying.
-Greg
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30) From: Brandon Kolbe
Hi All,
   Two of my three children like coffee.  If I happen to be making some
coffee on the weekend I will ask if they would like some.  My wife and I
tend to limit how much caffeine our children consume whether it is from
coffee or soda.  I even went so far as to discourage my oldest daughter (
she is 16 ) from drinking energy drinks at school every day.  As far as I
can tell she has heeded my concerns about getting in the habit of drinking
too many caffeinated beverages each day.
Happy Roasting,
Brandon
On 6/23/07, Justin Nevins  wrote:
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"We are what we think.
All that we are arises
With our thoughts.
With our thoughts,
We make our world."
       -- Buddha


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