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Topic: The Adventure Begins (38 msgs / 1014 lines)
1) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
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Hello Everyone!
My name is Gerald.  I am about to join your ranks as a homeroaster with =
an eight-pound sample pack I received from Sweet Marias this weekend.  =
I've been reading your posts and searching the internet for ideas on =
coffee roasting and  brewing for several weeks now.  I appreciate all =
the great ideas and useful information you have given me.  They have =
been very helpful!
I am going to start using two methods: wok roasting and the Heat =
Gun/Doggie Bowl method.  Though a lot of what I read made wok roasting =
sound difficult, Rick Copple's long explanation of how he roasts in a =
wok made me think if a fellow Texan could do it, so could I.  (It was =
also the cheapest)  Thanks, Rick!  Your explanation of wok roasting was =
very well done. 
 I like the Heat gun method because I can do that in the garage and not =
have to worry about smoke and chaff so much.  My thanks to Michael and =
Martin and everyone else who shared their experiences with that.
Well, guess I'd better get started.  
Gerald

2) From: tom ulmer
Best of times Gerald...
Cheers

3) From: Jared Andersson
Good luck Gerald.  Jared
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4) From: Thbull
Welcome!
I've been roasting for about two months now. I've been using a popper.
This weekend, I tried the heat-gun/dog-bowl (HG/DB) method...wow what
fun. I like the larger batch I can roast and also the fact that I can
really see what the beans are doing. I roast in the garage and also
have a pair of heavy gloves, the kind advertised to handle hot log in
the fireplace with; these have helped a lot as I can handle the hot
popper and now the HG/DB without fear of burning myself.
I need to try to locate some HG/DB set-up info, since my arms were
getting tired of constantly moving the beans...swirling and tossing
them to simulate a drum environment.
I was please to roast three batches of beans and have enough for the week.
Again, welcome aboard!
-Arron 'doggy bowlin' for a while'
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5) From: Randolph Wilson
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Ah yes, that's how it starts.  First a little dalliance with a sample 
pack.  It seems like an innocent flirtation, no real harm.  And while 
our families shake their heads behind our backs, they figure this 
will pass.  Soon you're slurping away Guatemalan HueHuetenango, and 
I'm not talking that water processed decaf stuff.  Next thing you 
know you've got a 100 pounds of Jamaican hidden under  your bed and 
50 pounds of Kona in your closet.
Then it starts to go bad.  You start skipping work so you can stay 
home and roast.  You've got 12 Cona pots and a Technivorm so you can 
always have a fresh brew, and you've disconnected the water to the 
children's bathroom and the power line to the kitchen stove so you 
can hook up your brand new triple brew group La Marzocco.  Got to 
keep that espresso buzz going, so all three brew groups stay busy. 
By now you've taken the engine out of your car and coupled it up to a 
hammer mill you bought on ebay so you can keep up with your grinding 
needs, and the dryer in the laundry room has been converted to a drum 
roaster.  Between the lack of water in the bathroom and the loss of 
the dryer and the stove, your children now go to school dirty and 
hungry, but you don't notice, because all you can think is, "where 
the hell is the UPS guy with that box from Sweet Marias!"
Then it really goes bad.  You lose your job.  Your wife runs away 
with the UPS guy (he's been at your house every day for a year).  And 
your children are taken away by PETA because they're no longer 
recognizable as human.  You're left to sit on a burlap coffee bag 
with an AK-47 in your lap.  You mainline cheap Vietnamese Robusta, 
roasted a pale cinnamon color because you couldn't wait for the roast 
to finish.  And you can't roast any more because the power's been off 
all week.
When the police arrive you are guarding your sole remaining Kona bean 
in the bottom of the burlap bag.  Having flashbacks of your fellow 
Texans in Gonzales in days of yore, you wave your AK-47 towards an 
approaching Texas Ranger screaming, "Come and Take It!, Come and Take 
It!".  He's seen this scene played out a hundred times before.  He 
knows your suffering and that there is no hope for you.  Out of 
mercy, a tear in his eye, he draws his Glock, and drops you like a 
stone.
Well, I've got to go now.  The power's been off all week, and the 
batteries in my laptop are almost gone.  So I think I'll finish this 
Robusta, curl up on these old burlap coffee bags, and wait.  Is that 
a siren I hear?
Just one thing, Gerald, before I go.  Give your dog his bowl back, 
donate the wok to goodwill, and return the heat gun to the store.  It 
isn't too late, for you, son.  Not too late for you.
Your brother in the bean,
Randy

6) From: J.W.Bullfrog
:-D
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There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

7) From: eric stevenson
ROTFLMAO
"Hello my name is Eric and it has been 2 days since my
last roasting."
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8) From: Woody DeCasere
you can take my life, but you can never take away my love of fresh roasted
coffee you dirty coppers.
when they come just hold you popper barrel side out and shout at the top of
your lungs "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!" and hit the switch.
that way at least you go out in style.
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9) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
LOL  Thanks for trying to save me, Randy.  As I read your letter, it was as
though I was getting a prophetic vision of the next three years of my life.
A tad scary, but I've already jumped in head first.  I think it may be too
late to turn back.
Gerald
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10) From: Les
Randy,
I had a mouthful of coffee when I read this!  You needed to give a
"Coffee Nose Blow" warning at the beginning of this post.  My laptop
almost got nose blasted with coffee I was laughing so hard.  I
wouldn't want to waste any of this fine Columbian Peaberry! 
ROTHFLMAO!
Les
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11) From: Gene Smith
Wicked funny, Randy!  Don't think it would have been a Glock though.  I'm 
thinking sniper rifle...
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
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12) From: mIke mcKoffee
Welcome to the List, enjoy the Journey!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Gerald and Beth
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	Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:22 AM
	
	Hello Everyone!
	 
	My name is Gerald.  I am about to join your ranks as a homeroaster
with an eight-pound sample pack I received from Sweet Marias this weekend.
I've been reading your posts and searching the internet for ideas on coffee
roasting and  brewing for several weeks now.  I appreciate all the great
ideas and useful information you have given me.  They have been very
helpful!
	 
	I am going to start using two methods: wok roasting and the Heat
Gun/Doggie Bowl method.  Though a lot of what I read made wok roasting sound
difficult, Rick Copple's long explanation of how he roasts in a wok made me
think if a fellow Texan could do it, so could I.  (It was also the cheapest)
Thanks, Rick!  Your explanation of wok roasting was very well done. 
	 
	 I like the Heat gun method because I can do that in the garage and
not have to worry about smoke and chaff so much.  My thanks to Michael and
Martin and everyone else who shared their experiences with that.
	 
	Well, guess I'd better get started.  
	Gerald

13) From: Randolph Wilson
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ourselves from the call of the bean.
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The future is just history replayed, sad to say.
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Sorry to hear it my friend, but I'm glad to have your company on the 
road to hell.
Say, listen, as long as you're here - I'm a little short.  You 
wouldn't happen to have any HueHue you could  spare?
No, didn't think so.
Well, keep safe my friend.  I guess I'll be seeing you from time to 
time at the UPS "will call" window.  Watch out for those *$ guys, 
they're everywhere, and they're selling some bad sh*, if you know 
what I mean.
Later,
Randy
BTW - where are you in Texas?  I notice someone on the list is from 
Marble Falls, where my mother-in-law is from.  My wife grew up in 
Gonzales county, and we have a ranch there.  My father-in-law runs 
cattle near Waco.  Texas being such a small place and all, you must 
live in one of those places.  Seems like we're all in Texas, Georgia, 
or California on this list. (that should bring out the other locales 
hollering that they've been slighted)

14) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
Thanks miKe, and thanks also to everyone else who welcomed me to the List.
Gerald
Subject: RE: +The Adventure Begins
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15) From: Scot Murphy
On |Jan 30, at 9:19 AM|Jan 30, Randolph Wilson wrote:
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It's worse than you think. The siren is an ambulance, and the men  
inside have a straitjacket ready. They've been waiting for the "go"  
signal ever since you hooked up that used jet engine for a fluid-bed  
roaster. Watch out for the tranquilizer darts; they sting, but only  
for a second or two.
Scot "where they're taking you, there's only decaf" Murphy
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"If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize  
world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be  
until the looting started."
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16) From: Randolph Wilson
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If only you knew how close you are to the truth.  I have a small 
turbine sitting in my garage which is slated for conversion to a jet 
engine "someday real soon".  Didn't think of roasting coffee with it 
though. 0 to 2nd crack in .09 seconds !
Regards,
Randy

17) From: Jim Sheets
Classic...

18) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
Hello Gerald,
Couple of things come to mind.  As long as you are content to stay under a
pound, there seems to be no reason to go to a wok. And if I wanted to do
lots of roasts over a pound, I'd certainly go to a drum.  Jim Gundlatch, an
early wok roaster, added the HG to his Wok roasting---using both.
2nd point:  when you are done with your 8 lb sample pack, I'd recommend a
large order of one (or 2) of Tom's SOs or blends.  Roasting for espresso?
pour over?  Anyway, since your first roasts are likely to be all over the
place in terms of time and ramp, you are likely to learn more if you stick
with one coffee for a while.  Nice thing about HG is that you can do many
small (5-6 oz) roasts until you learn about how beans and different batch
sizes respond.  Don't worry about getting bored.  You will also have a
better chance to learn how slight roasting variations affect taste.
--
Martin
Heat + Beans
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19) From: Justin Marquez
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... or maybe roast a whole bag on the flight to LA...
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com

20) From: Aaron
speaking of turbines.
I can tell you a story of turbine engine exhaust and disgruntled Gas 
Turbine Technician and 10 pounds of popcorn seeds and change of command 
ceremony in dress whites and sooty popcorn floating down. oh well you 
get the picture hehe.
it's been used for popcorn, i dont see why a turbine can't be used for 
coffee as well.  You can run a turbine on alcohol so the exhaust will be 
little more that carbon dioxide and water vapor so dont have to worry 
about petrochemical tastes in your beans.  actually it has been said 
that you can run one on citric acid too but well.. anyways....
Aaron

21) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
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Hello Martin!
I haven't gone to either method yet.  I originally intended to start =
with the wok since I already have one and thought that would make the =
most sense.  I did go shopping for both a heat gun and a "doggie bowl" =
this weekend, but ended up buying neither when I couldn't find a Wagner =
750 (the one I'd read most about) or a bowl that was suitable.  The one =
bowl I found was larger than I wanted (96 oz) and had an unusual shape =
to it.
I  take it you consider the heat gun to be easier to control the roast =
than a wok?  From  some of your posts I understand that about 10 oz is =
the maximum size one should roast by heat gun?  10 oz might last me a =
week since my wife has switched to hot tea.  So that should be large =
enough.
I've read about Jim using his wok with the heat gun and am actually =
thinking about doing that myself since I wasn't able to find a suitable =
"doggie bowl" this weekend.  
I do intend to make a large order when I re-order because that seems to =
be the most cost-effective way to do this.  But though I've deciphered =
most of the abbreviations on this list, I don't know what you mean by =
SO?
Thanks for your advice.  Practicing with 5 oz at a time sounds like a =
good idea.  It does mean I may have to wait until tomorrow to make that =
first roast, though.  :-)  
Gerald
PS I can only roast for a drip pot at the moment as my grinder is a =
whirly blade.  I must find a good coffee mill next.

22) From: Mark J Bergh
Well, Now this has been the best entertainment of the day!
My neighbor is the suspense author T. Jefferson Parker; I am sending these
threads as I am sure there is a new suspense, intrigue, murder mystery novel
in the making here.
Caffeine Freaks! 
Mark

23) From: Randolph Wilson
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Lots of home built jets are running on propane with the tank inverted 
to provide a liquid feed.  The DIYGasTurbines group is a great 
resource for those inclined to risking sudden and horrible death in 
the name of having fun.

24) From: Brett Mason
Wok-N-Roll Gerald - we're glad you joined...
Brett
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25) From: Turbosimba
Hi Gerald,
 
IF the wok method winds up burning the beans AND the wok, there are some  
much easier ways out there... the pop corn popper method, or the starter  
dedicated hot bed roasters. The results are fairly uniform, predicable after a  short 
learning curve, and SAFE.  Whatever your method, GOOD LUCK....   Do you live 
near Sweetmarias?  I'm so lucky.  I live 15 minutes by  freeway, no shipping 
charges, I get to choose my own sample pack selections, and  there is so much 
to take in visually...
 
Jeff

26) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
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Hello Jeff,
The wok method does have me a little intimidated.  Enough so that I =
never got around to trying it today.  I do know about using pop corn =
poppers but haven't had any luck finding one yet.  I intend to keep =
looking, though.
I don't live near Sweet Marias, unfortunately.  That would be a =
fascinating (and expensive) place for me to visit as I need everything.  =
:-)
Gerald

27) From: Brett Mason
Go for it in the wok with say 1/3 lb.  The best part - everything
happens right in front of you.  This is the most hands on method, and
is really really easy.  You will be surprised at how quickly you
become addicted to roasting when it is hands on!
I usually use a skillet and a side burner on the BBQ - I lift with a
spatula and keep the beans moving.  Often up to 2.5 lb per load...
Brett
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28) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
2 1/2 pounds?  Wow!  I'd have to beg some friends or family to take some off
my hands if I roasted that much.  They might be willing to take it, though.
:-)
I hadn't heard anyone say it was easy before.  I'll give it a try in the
morning.
Gerald

29) From: an iconoclast
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Welcome, Gerald.  And Randy, thank you.  Boy, did I need to laugh
today.  Your post came just at the right time.  It caused an
overwhelming urge to go home from work and roast.  I didn't, but let a
newbie to coffee try some of my CR/Ethiopian decaf coffee and I think
we hooked another one.
Take care,
Ann

30) From: Brett Mason
I went to a skillet because I had too many people asking, and I
started selling for $10/lb roasted.  I owned a 12" revereware SS
skillet, and a flat SS spatula...  I sell about 10-15lb per month -
keeps me in coffee...
I was also amazed at how fun the hands-on was...   The roast looks a
little more "speckle" because you are the stirring mechanism, and its
hard to be really even.  A heat gun DOES help with evenness of roast,
and also with eliminating chaff.
My favorite way for hands on...  I hope you like it as much....
Well, except I just pulled 3lb off the drum in my BBQ (2lb to go out
in tomorrow's mail, and I missed Colombia SUpremo for too long...)
Brett
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31) From: an iconoclast
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Brett,
This is now my problem.  I have people asking to buy.  I use a HG/DB
with a colander in the bowl on top of BBQ side burner.  The problem I
have with more than 1# is the pain from stirring.  I wonder if I
lowered the temp on the HG and increased the bottom heat, I would have
to stir so constantly.  Right now if I stop stirring, the HG scorches
the beans. I suppose I could turn it down from 1100 degrees to about
850 and increase the bottom heat for a more indirect heat.  Any other
suggestions?
I looked at SMs site for roasted beans.  They charge $9 a lb, so I
thought I would start at that price and choose what beans I'll sell. 
That way I can buy 20# at a time.  How did you choose your price?
Thanks,
Ann

32) From: Brett Mason
I went to a drum because I wanted to try, but also my hands hurt -
arthritis is in my future...  I think you may be needing something to
do more labor for you - SCGG or drum, etc.
I really like the drum, but it costs some.  I saved money and built my
own, but it was a lot of work....
GL Ann, wish I had better ideas.  But I know the pain when the hands hurt..=
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Brett
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33) From: an iconoclast
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I think HUSBAND is the answer to my labor problem.  I just talked to
him about doing more of the stirring for me.  He's a creative guy, a
bit color blind, be he can see shades, so he can roast during the week
when I'm at work.  We've already talked about a drum and if he does
enough stirring, that drum may come sooner than later.
I want a dedicated BBQ and I'll buy one of Ron's drums as soon as we
get the money.  And I'll get the money sooner if I stop giving away so
much coffee!
Thanks,
Ann

34) From: Brett Mason
I have 7 sons, but they're a bit young....  They could help out with
colorblind....
Brett
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35) From: Rick Copple
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Well feller Texan, glad yer were help'd by that there piece.
Hum, now I probably should put that on my blog too. Where did I put that 
post...
Anyway, yes, the wok (or any pan roasting) can be a little intimidating. 
It does tend to take a learning curve. For me, I learned pretty fast. 
Only really ruined that first batch of beans and it wasn't much. You can 
always get a pound of Ug from Tom to do a couple half pound batches in 
one. I wouldn't start out with the Kona...not till you have it down. ;-)
I enjoy it, though. It is not loud, so you get to hear all the snaps and 
cracks. You have full and complete control. It has an "art" side to it, 
because each batch is like a new creation that can't be duplicated (some 
people don't like that aspect, for me it has appeal, I guess because I 
like variety). The only down side is because you have a spoon flying 
around in the beans and it is open, you don't have much means to stick a 
probe in it and get temp readings. You don't roast by temp, but more by 
smell, color, cracks, and an inner sense that "yea, I know that is just 
where I want it" that comes with some experience. Plus, many say when 
you do it right, it is some of the best roasted coffee because it 
naturally is a bit of a melange which gives you a more complex cup.
So, if you do want to do this, and I would suggest it is a good idea to 
at least try it even if you decide to not make it your normal roasting 
method, because you learn a lot roasting this way. Just expect to ruin a 
batch or two and consider yourself lucky if in your learning phase it 
actually comes out terrific. Then it's not so intimidating. :-)
What will happen if you roast this way for a while, is you will have no 
fear of dumping a pound of Jamaican Blue Mountain in there to roast 
because you know it will come out good. As they say, the best way to 
learn it is "just do it."
-- 
Rick Copple
Marble Falls, TXhttp://blog.copple.us/?sectionid=5

36) From: Ed Needham
So roast and grind all in one pass.  Kewwwwwl.
*********************
Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"
ed at homeroaster dot com
(include [FRIEND] somewhere in the subject line of any email correspondence)
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37) From: Jerry Procopio
I went with the RK Drum in June - along with Ron's motor setup and a 
dedicated BBQ grill.  Now that's a bit over the top for one pot of 
coffee a day plus a couple shots and an occasional cappo, so I decided 
to start selling to the people that I was giving beans away to.  I'm 
underselling Brett by a buck and selling at $9 a pound.  My goal was to 
make about $2 a pound get 20 "subscribers" that would commit to 1 pound 
a month.  I have about 10 subscribers now and sell 10 - 15 pounds a month.
A 4 pound roast is easy with the drum and surprisingly more forgiving 
than smaller loads.  It seems (and this may only be my perception) that 
in a popper when you hit 2nd crack, if you are not quick, you are on 
your way to Charbucks roast in a hurry.  In the RK, with a 4 pound load, 
when 2nd crack starts, you are smoothly going from FC to FC+.
I no longer give away more than a 4 ounce sample - and always include 
one of JavaJerry's business cards with the sample.
Jerry
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38) From: Les
I really like my RK.  For a Christmas present, I am sending my folks a
pound of homeroast every other week.  We have 3 - 4 coffee drinkers in
the house.  I usually do 2-3 1.25 pound roasts a week.  Wow, I am
enjoying one of last years Kenya Peaberries.  A new way to enjoy
"citrus" in the morning.  Grapefruit notes, awesome mouthfeel with a
grape like finish.  An awesome contrast from the Sumatra Tim Tim
Longberry from yesterday.  Even if can coffee was good, why would
anyone want to have the same thing day after day?
Les
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