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Topic: No More Greens! (17 msgs / 401 lines)
1) From: Mike & Debi McGinness
It's a conspiracy by Tom!
I told myself NO MORE GREENS for awhile. I already have about 20 different greens (would have to
count!) including 6 Kona's & two JBM's.
But then, Debi really likes Malabar (and the infamous Luwak) so I reread Tom's reviews of Aged Java
"Old Brown" & Aged Sumatra Mandheling '98. Sounds like coffee she'll love so ordering a couple
pounds of each.
Reread a couple more reviews. Don't have a Mexican green yet and then Tom goes and says "It is a
really great cup and as a lark we conducted a blind cupping with 3 Jamaica Blue Mountain samples and
the Tres Flechas. This was a totally blind cupping with Jovan and I: we both picked the Mexican as
the best cup!" referring to the Mexican HG San Pablo -Becafisa.
I'm a JBM lover, what am I to do?!
Ok, a couple more pounds for the order.
Hmmm, what's this Puerto Rican Yauco Selecto AA about. Tom did it again! "It is pricey, but kicks
Jamaican rear, and in that repect its less than half the price!" Oh great, another bean I have to
buy. Another a couple pounds for the order.
This has got to stop. Tom, please no more references to JBM in your reviews!!! I like JBM, I like
many others too. But every time you mention such & such coffee bean comparing favorably (or better
or kicking it's but etc.) I have to try that bean too. Unfair marketing! It's a plot to sell all JBM
lovers more beans!
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2) From: Fookoo Network
Looks like your tax refund check has been spent!
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3) From: TFisher511
It's a conspiracy by Tom!
That is great! Oh, you do have the Hawaiian Kona Blue Mountain don't you. It 
was so good last year when Tom sold it that I jumped on 5# as soon as it hit 
the market this year.
Just trying to help. I'm sure you understand.
Terry F

4) From: Tom & Maria
Yep, I too would probably like to see no references to JBM in the reviews,
because all these coffees stand on their own.
But, like it or not, JBM is a reference point for good coffee in the public
at large and a lot of people would be suprised to hear that decent Mexican
coffee outperforms often JBM in the cup! . I guess with Yauco Slecto the
comaprison is ineveitable since it truly delivers the mild island profile
that JBM is supposed to have when it doesnt taste like cabbage.
I do actually edit and rewrite the reviews on long-standing coffees,
sometimes. I recup them when we get a new offer from the same origin, but
also when i fell "out of touch" with the character of the coffee... so
you'll see changes in older reviews.
But in terms of having tons of green coffee, I imagine too much choice can
be a burden. But just remembre back when you had 1 ... maybe 2 ... coffees
to chose from in your cupboard!
                  "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
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5) From: John Blumel
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:47:35 -0400, Tom & Maria wrote:
I for one am willing to bear this hardship. But it's good to know that
you feel our pain.
John Blumel
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6) From: Henry C. Davis
The other day while working on renovations I moved the green I have in cloth
bags and piled it against the wall in the dining room. A little later a
friend came in, stopped, and said in said in his best Shaggy Rogers voice,
"Hey man, like someone robbed a coffee bank and stashed the loot in your
dining room!"
I was glad my wife didn't hear him, since I am currently making a list of
new coffees to try with my next order. :-)

7) From: Robert Cantor
Tom, puh-leeeeeese!  That's Brassica essences...  A bit more flowery than
leathery coffees, but more astringent and fibrose than winey coffees, the
brassica essences are perhaps closest to the tobacco-y flavors without that
bitter dustiness that can permeate the palate in the onset of the tobacco-y
flavor complex.
Bob C.

8) From: John - wandering Texas
What did he say Tom?  Can you translate that?  Wow am I a novice - I just
like coffee flavor :O)

9) From: Gary White
brassica \Bras"si*ca\, n. [L., cabbage.] (Bot.) A genus of plants embracing
several species and varieties differing much in appearance and qualities:
such as the common cabbage (B. oleracea), broccoli, cauliflowers, etc.; the
wild turnip (B. campestris); the common turnip (B. rapa); the rape or
coleseed (B. napus), etc.
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10) From: John Blumel
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:06:34 -0500, John  - wandering Texas wrote:
He agreed that bad JBM can taste like cabbage or perhaps broccoli.
John Blumel
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11) From: Glenn R. Holmes
Just sip on your coffee and light up a Cohiba. 
That'll do it *without* all the fancy talk.   
Matter of fact I'm enjoying an Egaads Coffee and a Cohiba just just now.
Pure Heaven!
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12) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: Tom & Maria 
Subject: Re: +No More Greens!
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:47:35 -0400
I agree. I stopped spending my money on Jamaican long time ago. It's
simply overrated, and I would rather buy other premium CA coffees
instead. By the way, I don't drive a Honda or BMW, I don't live in
Beacon Hill, I don't use Gateway computers, I don't have a Nikon or
Leica camera, I hate Microsoft, I never drink Folgers, etc.
If you proceed to say that much, I might add that the numerical system to
represent the quality/character of coffee is quite short of
perfection, but just a practical compromise. Look at any Mexican's
poor grades, they're only slightly better than my transcript. (I see a
trend of high-scorers taken off the list fairly quickly, and v.v.)
Even if one is willing to take trouble of paying and keeping, I look
at people with a bit of skepticism, people who stock dozens of coffee
and claim that they know every bean they stock and can make variety of
blends any time, unless they're a competent full-time coffee blender.
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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13) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
I don't argue that multiple Mexicans are not worth trying, but if you
like minimum increase in storage but still want to maximize the
versatility... one way may be to get a few pounds of Mexican decaf
CEPCO. (I liked Esmeralda a lot too) Roast it light and it's good for
evening, roast dark and it's perfect for iced coffee, roast anywhere
and it's excellent for blend base including espresso blends (yes it's
not DP but flavor-wise I like it a lot).  I don't think that decaf
process kills much quality. It's sweet too. It is, however, cheap and
not exotic, nothing to be too excited.
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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14) From: John - wandering Texas
	How does one become a competent full-time coffee blender without
experimenting with various blends?  And wouldn't it be more profitable to
the experiment if it involved more than two kinds of beans?

15) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: "John  - wandering Texas" 
Subject: RE: +No More Greens!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:56:18 -0500
Asking one who is not is probably not going to lead to a right answer,
but I think it's necessary to spend enough time and effort devoted for
It's probably not difficult to try many beans but to understand and
remember them well seems very difficult.  I am not doing brew and spit
kind of cupping every day or not even once a week. Given limited time
to learn about each bean, I would rather understand 6 to 10 kinds very
well rather than barely know 24 or 36. And I don't see a need to have
that many unless you are doing business just like SM.  However, all
these are my opinion, and people may have different way to think about
it. I would like to see other opinions rather than leading questions :-)
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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16) From: Les and Becky
As the saying goes, "Confession is good for the soul."  I admitted to my
wife that I have more than 20 varieties of greens in my stash.  I too have
gone overboard!  The problem is that Tom just keeps the good coffees
coming!!!  I made a commitment not to buy any new coffees unless he rated
them 90 or better thinking I would be safe for awhile.  In the last month,
he has cupped two coffee's in the 90's.  That isn't fair!!!  My curiosity
concerning the Blue Mountain grown in Hawaii is bugging me too.  Hey Mike
and Debi,  I have been enjoying your posts!  I went hog-wild just like you
have 16 years ago doing comparisons and cupping.  It will drive you nuts.
Just enjoy each great coffee.  As one who really likes island coffees like
you do, you better add Uganda Bugesu to your must tries.  Offer me a cup of
Uganda Bugesu or a JBM and I will take Uganda every time!  It has a nice
mellow flavor like the JBM, but has a complexity of an Indonesian.  It
really is different than the other Africans.  I am taking Ryuji's post to
heart, and am trying to limit my coffee's and experiment with roasts and
blends.  I am currently enjoying a blend of  Uganda Bugesu and Mexican
Decaf.  The Uganda is roasted to a city-full city and the Mexican is roasted
to a dark full-city.  The ratio is 3-1 Uganda and Mexican.  It has a very
nice complex taste, with some of the notes that only can come from a darker
roast with out the charred flavor.  I have committed myself  to not buying
any more greens until my inventory fits on one page of my Palm Pilot.  (Or
unless Tom tempts me beyond my ability to say no!).
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17) From: Mike & Debi McGinness
From: "Les and Becky" 
Already have that one too. (Thanks for the suggestion anyway, I think!)
... I am taking Ryuji's post to
Still enjoying the many many many different varietals too much to do much blending, except Monsooned
Yergacheffe. And oh how I know the feeling of being tempted by Tom's great offerings! Good thing
greens last a long time. That, and some friends are getting are good coffees too...
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