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Topic: My New FAEMA Compact.. any good or bad comments?? :-) (17 msgs / 597 lines)
1) From: Dennis Parham
hey everyone..Im back in the game! :D I just won an auction for a  
FAEMA Compact 1 group commercial Espresso machine!! says EXCELLENT  
TESTED and ready to rock and ROLL!!! anyway.. any comments about this  
machine??  technical experience? gloating or just lude bashing?? hehe  
well I have 1 to start with... its 18" tall and 21" deep! where the  
HECK am I going to put this beast?? hehehehe  it retailed for 3500.00  
but of course I got it for a song and dance... lol
Dennis Parham

2) From: Jim Mitchell
Very cool Dennis, these are excellent machines, and may be the least 
expensive way to simply skip all of the home 'prosumer' machines and get a 
commercial-grade machine with a true E61 grouphead, a Sirai pressurestat, 
and a good-sized boiler. Of course, they are 'compact' only by commercial 
standards - next to a Mr Coffee, they look like Godzilla.
There are a bewildering variety of models of this the 'C8x' series Faema out 
there - my favorite is the C84 (I think) which had manual control and a tiny 
rotary pump tucked in behind the boiler - most common are the C85 (manual) 
and C86 (automatic) versions which had a vibratory pump and were about $250 
cheaper.
These machines are very rugged, but there are a couple of gotchas. There's a 
built-in, rechargable resin-style water softener which typically hasn't been 
recharged in years and couldn't soften Bambi - so you'll need to dig in and 
check it - recharge instructions are posted up on CoffeeGeek, but I see they 
are down again.
If the pour-over tank is the original plastic, it's going to be pretty 
brittle and and fragile by now - consider replacing it or converting to 
plumb-in.
Nice score - with a little tweaking and fussing you'll have a machine that 
will give you many years of execellent espresso.
Cheers
Jim

3) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Yes, I have been using one for years to make my americano's. Good 
solution to upgrade fever.  Got my first one for $300, and my 2nd for 
$100. The 2nd had a pump fire. My eventual plan is to do a complete 
re-build of #2, and then swap with #1 and rebuild it.
Dennis Parham wrote:
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There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

4) From: Mark J Bergh
Just start you shopping on-line now......for that new Boos Butcher Block
roll-around Kitchen Kart that will be your new Italiano Espresso Corner!
You can easily route your direct-plumb water line and drain along the back
side of your kitchen cabinets for a clean exit along the base boards and
into your new "Toy Station".  So much fun!
Oh, Yeah, much to the significant other's disdain..........the dining table
will have to go. 
MJB

5) From: Sandy Andina
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On Mar 15, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Dennis Parham wrote:
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What do Quaaludes have to do with espresso (other than espresso being  
the antidote for them)?  And it's too late to bash them, as they have  
long since been taken off the market.
Sandy
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gloating or just lude = bashing??

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6) From: Sandy Andina
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Please come to Delray Beach (Kings Point) from April 3-11--that's  
when I'll be visiting my mom, who is espresso-machine-less. We need  
an alternative to Starbucks!
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Sandy
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Please come to Delray Beach =
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Starbucks!
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Other than that.. Ill just = stick it on the back of one of my custom bicycles and ride around town = here in the Palm Beach area selling espresso shots ;-) hehe and lattes! = :D hmm..... ;-) = --Apple-Mail-29-935855664--

7) From: Dennis Parham
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haha ok.. maybe Ill stop by! ;-) We had a custom bike ride in the  
Parade last week in Del Ray! SHEESH! if I only made it there with  
espresso bike! would have made Palm Beach Post! HAHA
Dennis
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haha ok.. maybe Ill stop by! ;-) =
We had a custom bike ride in the Parade last week in Del Ray! SHEESH! if =
I only made it there with espresso bike! would have made Palm Beach =
Post! HAHA
Dennis
On Mar 15, = 2006, at 2:43 PM, Sandy Andina wrote:
Please = come to Delray Beach (Kings Point) from April 3-11--that's when I'll be = visiting my mom, who is espresso-machine-less. We need an alternative to = Starbucks! On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Dennis Parham = wrote:
Other than that.. 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8) From: Scot Murphy
On |Mar 15, at 1:31 PM|Mar 15, Sandy Andina wrote:
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They have been? What's my connection been selling me for the last ten  
years?!
Scot "suddenly my sleepiness makes no sense" Murphy
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maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of  
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will  
always avail themselves for their own purposes."
	--Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21

9) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I am not too into Faema, maybe a bias from way back in my coffee 
counter days where we switched out the Cimbali for a Faema (hey, I 
just managed the place, didn't own it!) That was a long time back, 
late '80s, and I knwo a lot has changed. We were all unaccustomed to 
seeing an espresso machine with plastic body panels. We also were all 
pretty awful baristas ( a word I still don't like even nowadays ) but 
when you work with a machine all day, every day, you develop 
preferences. Okay, that was Faema 18 years ago. Everything has 
changed, and when you can get a machine of that caliber at that 
price, you have every right to be (as we say in california) STOKED! I 
mean, the specs sound great. It's time I check out a newer Faema and 
see where they are at, just out of curiousity.
Tom
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            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
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             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

10) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Dennis Parham wrote:
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Nope. Its an e91 group.http://espressoparts.com/category/03.01.faema.e91duegroup/ From what i can tell they have moved the input and ouput pipe locations 
to a more logical arrangement (based upon being a thermosyphon machine). 
The pre-infusion on my machine seems to come from then matching the vibe 
pump to the group head. At least I would like to beleive that it was 
intentional.
They make a rotary pump version for thos countries with 220v. However 
then you have to get into gluicfer valves etc, to tune the pre-infussion.
FYI, I use pre-infussion in the term of dwell time (aka lag) the the pf 
before the coffee appears, not the automatic pump-on, pump-off, pump-on 
method.
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-- 
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

11) From: Jim Mitchell
Yup, my bad - I went to type 'E69' group, thinking it was the later, 
commercial group - but realised that was both wrong, and potentially 
inflamatory, and didn't go back to change it.
But, in any case you got the same group as used in the 'big' machines and 
it's pretty good.
As Mr Bullfrog croaked out, with a vibe pump the pre-infusion comes from the 
pump's pressure ramp-up, rotary pump machines need a flow-restricting valve.
While in the Existential sense Mr. B is correct in calling it a 'G-lucifer' 
valve, since on a hot machine it lies immediately behind the Satan-stat 
(Ow!) and directly below the Beeza-boiler (Eeech! Awk! Arrrgh!) in a purely 
Lexical space, it is called a 'Gicleur' valve - which is French for "Poorly 
adapted carburetor part...."
Cheers
Jim

12) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Jim Mitchell wrote:
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Gee!! I'm a Poet & I don't know it!! :-D
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-- 
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

13) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Dennis Parham wrote:
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It barely fits under the counter, and yes I use a lm pf. you might have 
to change the pf gasket to either a thinner or thicker one.
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-- 
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers 
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will 
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more 
bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

14) From: Paul Sack
I've been out of town, so I'm a bit late in this thread, but GREAT buy. 
I won an auction for perhaps an identical machine (C84A/1) a few weeks 
ago, but it was in awful condition. Handfuls of scale all the way up to 
the input hose. Burnt-out element, you name it. It took another $200 in 
parts and such but now it's making incredible espresso. I am still 
learning about flushing and all that, but the espresso is a lot better 
than with my old Silvia. It IS enormous!
It's missing a top grate, but the top piece of an oven broiler pan set 
works okay for now. I've got a minor leak in the group valve that only 
leaks 20-30 ml when I turn the machine off and it cools down. That is a 
complicated assemblage of springs and valves and gaskets.
Otherwise, I had to "bastard fit" a BSPP to an NPT fitting at the water 
inlet. It's leaking very slightly, and I run this thing off a water 
bottle, so I have to reprime it once a week or so because of that. I am 
pretty sure I'll eventually have to braze or solder the adapter, but I 
don't know how. I've already tried ordering a proper adapter, but it 
didn't quite work out.
Anyways, enjoy it!
-Paul
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15) From: Dan Bollinger
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Why not use tap the BSPP hole to NPT and be done with it?

16) From: Paul Sack
On Mar 21, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Dan Bollinger wrote:
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It's 3/4", and I don't have a tap set :)
I'm actually not sure how best to solve my problem--What I have is a 
1/4" stainless hose which fits into a 1/4" male x 3/4" female adapter 
(all BSPP, I think). I'm sick of spending money on adapters and such 
that don't quite work. I am 100% sure that if I ordered an adapter 
online it wouldn't work, since I don't understand all the plumbing 
standards all that well. Also, there is no place around here that 
stocks copper or teflon gaskets, which makes life all the more 
interesting.
Is silver solder reasonably easy to use to solder BSPP to NTP?
Thanks,
-Paul

17) From: Dennis Parham
well Im still waiting for mine to arrive... :D but the description  
was that is works perfectly and tested... I did notice on the pic  
there is a front knob missing.. and I think it has something to do  
with refilling the tank....  Im sure Ill be asking some questions  
when it arrives.. lol But I do think.. hey.. if you get a fully  
commercial machine for lets say the 500$ mark.. it would seem well  
worth a couple hundred extra to make sure it is working perfectly! at  
least we didn't pay that extra 3000 for it new...lol
Dennis Parham
On Mar 22, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Paul Sack wrote:
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