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Topic: Tom's take on drip machines begs question: How reliable are they? (20 msgs / 657 lines)
1) From: raymanowen
"...the proper temp...because Technivorms are what he sells." [Are you sure
about that?]
I don't know but I was wondering if Tom is unaware of other machines that
get up to the proper temperature and make good coffee.  [ There is a
corollary that makes reference to a certain feature of swine opposite their
snout end. Fear not- Tom knows coffee stuff]
Now for the anecdotes, or Is Tom really disingenuous? He can't fool us-
we're on to him now.
"My Presto Scandinavian does as does the Capresso MT500.  Also I found that
the Melitta something or other that my father purchased recently also gets
up to 200 degrees and makes very good coffee.  I think that while Tom has a
great point about the Brauns, Mr. Coffees and Krups junk of the world he wa=
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short-changing some of the other good drip machines."
What is the useful lifetime of "the other good [short-changed] drip
machines?"
(/Rant)
(/Rave)
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"May the ghost of the widow Mary Malone and her nine blind illegitimate
children chase you so far over the Hills of Damnation that the Lord himself
couldn't find you with a telescope " Traditional Irish Encouragement  -Or,
maybe my word processor is SNAFU (Eisenhower) too.
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Wichita WurliTzer

2) From: b cook
Speaking of disingenuous, I'd consider it such when one does not quote the
email that one is replying to and then quotes certain *parts* of it out of
context in order to make it appear as though I was making some point that I
was not making.  Thanks for providing my big eye roll for the day though.
Since you didn't see fit to quote the entire email then here it is (bold
added for emphasis):
"I don't know if Tom's article about drip machines in Tiny Joy was already
discussed since I'm a relative newcomer:
One thing about that article - Tom only mentions the Technivorm as a machin=
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that gets up to the proper temp.  *Maybe* that's because Technivorms are
what he sells, *I don't know* but I was wondering if Tom is unaware of othe=
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machines that get up to the proper temperature and make good coffee.  My
Presto Scandinavian does as does the Capresso MT500.  Also I found that the
Melitta something or other that my father purchased recently also gets up t=
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200 degrees and makes very good coffee.  I think that while Tom has a great
point about the Brauns, Mr. Coffees and Krups junk of the world he was
short-changing some of the other good drip machines.  While I do believe
that the technivorm  is tops, it's possible to have excellent daily drip
coffee from something other than the Technivorm."
You said:
"...the proper temp...because Technivorms are what he sells." [Are you sure
about that?]"
No, clearly I was *not* sure about that as I said "Maybe" followed by "I
don't know."  Why you would only quote the part you did and then ask if I'm
sure about that is beyond me.  I clearly followed that by stating that Tom
is possibly unaware of other coffee machines that make good coffee.  You
even quoted that part, and yet somehow you still twisted it all around to M=
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saying Tom is disingenuous.  My point is not that Tom was trying to be
disingenuos but that (if he did already know about those other coffeemakers=
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which I said he may not) maybe he's just being a businessman.  It makes
sense to mention only the coffeemaker one sells in the newsletter from one'=
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own business.  That was my only implication, not that Tom was pretending no=
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to know about other coffeemakers or something.  Maybe you should seek
employment with the National Enquirer.  They also like
to twist things around to start trouble.
Then you made the point about my "anecdotes" that the lifetime of those
machines may be short.  I don't know what the lifetime is.  I would imagine
you might find some still working after 20 years and some broken after 20
months.  However, for someone who, at the time, cannot afford a 200 dollar
technivorm the $40 Presto (that most certainly DOES get the water to the
magic 200) is most definitely a viable alternative.  We don't all have
thousands or even hundreds in disposable income that we can drop to get all
the best equipment right away.  If you do then congrats.  Looks like the
Enquirer gig is already paying off.
brad
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3) From: Brett Mason
(((Wowsers - dicey comments, etc.... Apologies all... OK ... Over it ...  )=
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You did start a great topic, and I need your help...
I am looking for a new drip machine.  My Melitta Clarity "overflows"
at times, making lots of messes...  This problem seems new. and keeps
popping up....
I am looking for experienced feedback that includes:
  200 temp
  good price if possible
  swiss-gold filter compatibility
  thermal caraffe
Ideas?
Thanks,
Brett
  Zass - if only they made an electric drip brewer...
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Brett Mason
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4) From: Brett Mason
ALSO - what about an electric VacPot - any ideas all?
Brett
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Brett Mason
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5) From: Justin Marquez
On 3/16/06, Brett Mason  wrote:
    Zass - if only they made an electric drip brewer...
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  ... only the old ones would be any good!
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com

6) From: Brett Mason
true (so it seems) - but boy would they be good!
Brett
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Brett Mason
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7) From: raymanowen
Yes- I do apologize.
I really don't want to make the statements that sound the way mine did. It
occurred to me after the fact that no defense of Tom and SM was necessary
for their clientele. We know that you can take Tom's recommendations to the
bank.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
In sackcloth and ashes, but reveling in a fabulous cup of Bolivian Peaberry=
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TechniVormed!

8) From: raymanowen
Let me add one point, sir-
In a couple of minutes, I ran down a dozen (or maybe 11 or 13) owners'
ratings of the Presto Scandinavian. While Presto's customer service is
sterling, the pot was not. ro
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9) From: b cook
Yes,  I agree.  I've so far not seen any bad recommendations from Tom.  My
point was there are alternatives for those who can't or don't wish to put u=
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200 bucks.
brad
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10) From: Brett Mason
Has anybody bought the Bunn BT10 as a drip brewer?  I am thinking of this
for several reasons, but would appreciate anybody's hands on experience wit=
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this as well.
Thanks,
Brett
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11) From: Jim Sheets
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My wife uses a BUNN and we cannot brew any of the coffee I roast in this
brewer.  Because the brewer moves the water through the grounds so quickly,
the taste is very very weak.  It's almost like coffee colored or tea colored
water.  I'm not sure if we have the same BUNN but they only way to get
flavor from our is to brew commercial through it.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:01 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Re: Tom's take on drip machines begs question: How reliable
are they?
Has anybody bought the Bunn BT10 as a drip brewer?  I am thinking of this
for several reasons, but would appreciate anybody's hands on experience with
this as well.
 
Thanks,
Brett
On 3/16/06, b cook  wrote: 
Yes,  I agree.  I've so far not seen any bad recommendations from Tom.  My
point was there are alternatives for those who can't or don't wish to put up
200 bucks.
 
brad
On 3/16/06, raymanowen < raymanowen
 > wrote: 
Yes- I do apologize.
I really don't want to make the statements that sound the way mine did. It
occurred to me after the fact that no defense of Tom and SM was necessary
for their clientele. We know that you can take Tom's recommendations to the
bank. 
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
In sackcloth and ashes, but reveling in a fabulous cup of Bolivian Peaberry-
TechniVormed!
-- 
Regards,
Brett Mason
HomeRoast
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   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

12) From: raymanowen
Brett,
If this model is like the ones I've had, the thermostat has a screw
adjustment. It heats a volume of H2O to the setpoint. The heated reservoir
is a vertical cylinder, and the fresh water you pour in goes to the bottom
through a dip tube.
The brewer's spray head gets hot water from the top, and the temperature
stays constant. The Bunns all use a shower head for a dispenser, and maybe
the domestic models don't have the adjustment on water brew temperature.
The water/grounds soak time can be altered by doubling the filters and/or
starting the brew without the carafe if the basket has a pause valve in the
bottom.
Uh, scratch that latter- I guess there is no valve. I timed the "soak" time
at about 17 seconds on a single filter back in the day when I first roasted
some Kenya AA in my Melitta AromaRoast. The Bunn Hotel and Restaurant brewe=
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had the internal thermostat, but I never changed it. Didn't know I needed
to. I just took notes- it was closing in on a rolling boil.
I think I measured 189.?? degrees using a 304 SS sheathed K couple and a
Leeds&Northrup t/c potentiometer at the CSM Research Institute's instrument
shop- "home" in the 70's. The fresh roasted Kenya AA was tantalizing, but I
had no time to pursue it.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Old dog learning new trick- after 28 years!

13) From: Mike Chester
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They make an optional slow flow sprayer head for the Bunn.  It is free =
at the Bunn website. 
Mike

14) From: Jim Sheets
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Wow, I did not know that, thanks for the info!  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Mike Chester
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:22 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Re: Tom's take on drip machines begs question: How reliable
are they?
They make an optional slow flow sprayer head for the Bunn.  It is free at
the Bunn website. 
 
Mike

15) From: b cook
Thanks for weighing in, Tom.  I did not intitially feel there was anything
offensive in my original post but after the back and forth here I began to
wonder if there possibly was.  Glad to hear that you didn't take it that
way.
brad
On 3/18/06, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 

16) From: an iconoclast
On 3/18/06, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
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Do you ever stop to think that I am one guy
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I think about this as I'm expanding my green coffee consumption.  I
wonder how much you want to grow.  For hands on managers like you and
Maria are, I wonder if there is a limit to how large you want to
become.  Mainly because it may put you in a position of NOT doing what
you like to do.  Or maybe growing larger will let you do more of what
you want.  That seems to be the interminable question for small
business owners.
'Cause I think this home roasting thing is growing exponentially. 
EVERYONE who tastes this home roasted coffee wants some. For someone
who loves details, the Sweet Maria site is absolute heaven. Tom, your
words come out of my mouth when describing coffee to others.  That's
(almost) as valuable as the coffee itself.
So, my vote is to have you continue with the awesome green coffee, the
wonderful descriptions, and the amazing travelogues. I have other
sites available for equipment reviews, but I will be listening if you
have a suggestion because I value your opinion.  In fact, I just
bought an Aeropress from you, but will ignore the hype.
Thank you, Tom and Maria,
Ann

17) From: Steve Hay
On 3/18/06, an iconoclast  wrote:
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grow at a rate which allows you to train capable managers to take over your
increased workload, then all is good.  The problems arise when your
replacements are substandard and your growth rate does not allow you the
time to remedy the situation.
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hay.steve -AT- gmail.com

18) From: Brett Mason
This info is great.  Thanks all, and especially Mike for the tip on the slo=
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sprayer head...
I will tinker, try new things, and heck, I'll even discuss them.  (A nice
change from the 2 year Zass rant? - we'll see)
Brett
  Zass is jealous of the attention given toward the bunn...
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19) From: raymanowen
" We are so lucky to have you, Tom and Maria.  Just wanted to say that."
Oh, Yeah- I second that, Barbara- What an incredible asset are Sweet
Maria's- so far beyond just business people.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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20) From: Tara Kollas
Brett - I used to have a BT10 and now have a techno.  The BT10 was subject
to a recall a while back.  I got the alterate spray head and it did slow th=
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brew time down considerably.  I was very happy with the BT10.  I didn't
really use the thermal carafe much, though, I usually put it into another
carafe to keep it hotter (or to take it to work).  With the recall, you had
the option of getting the old machine replaced or getting a new one for 1/2
price.  I opted for the new one.  I didn't get another thermal brewer, got
the NHB - I got the new spray head, but it didn't help at all.  If I brewed
more than a half pot, I had grounds everywhere and overflowing.  I wish I'd
gotten another BT10.  So the new Bunn went to my in-laws beach house becaus=
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it's still better than the Mr. Coffee they have and it's good for getting
hot water right away.  I bought the techno as a replacement for the Bunn.
I'm also really happy with it.  The jury is out whether I like it better
than my original Bunn.  I do think the techno brews hotter.  I didn't
measure the temp on it, but the NHB was about 180 degrees,while the water
right out of the techno was right around 205.  If you get the Bunn, I would
definitely recommend the thermal brewer over the others (my sister also had
a non-thermal version of the Bunn and had the same overflow problems),and
definitely get the slower spray head. They really should just include one i=
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every box.  Hope this helps!
Tara
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