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Topic: Harrar Horse caution (33 msgs / 622 lines)
1) From: 4qchmow02
I forgot to mention in my last message a warning to people to pick through their Harrar Horse before roasting.  I found chunks of quarz amongst my roasted beans when I was picking out chaff.  The quartz chunks blend in with the whiter/unripened beans.
Just keep your eyes peeled...
Phil
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2) From: Jason Brooks
Welcome to the world of DP coffee, and especially African DP coffee. 
IIRC, there was a batch of some African or Yemen recently that quite a few
people reported having rocks.  That's why I still stick with a Zass. 
Hitting a rock at a low speed has left no marks on my burrs, as of yet.
Jason
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3) From: Aaron Peterson
On 3/20/06, Jason Brooks  wrote:
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Yeah, I roasted some DP Ethiopia Ghimbi last night that seemed to have
the same uneven roast character as well as the bonus rock character of
the Harar Horse :-)
Aaron Peterson
Versailles, KY

4) From:
No rocks in my horse!!
rex
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5) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
Hmmm.  Maybe this should be called "Rocking Horse Harrar"?
I've come across the occasional small stone while cooling.  Cooling
beans in a colander is a great time/way to do QC.
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Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO & i'Roast2
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6) From: Bill Morgan
After cooling I dump the beans into a large skillet with a dark brown
teflon (or whatever) lining.  Pale beans and foreign objects show
right up.  I've only turned up a couple of pale green pebbles in the
last year, but that's enough to make the precaution worth while.
Bill
On 3/20/06, Brent - SC/TO Roasting  wrote:
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7) From:
Brent:
Great list you have here; I go through my greens before I roast. I thought everyone did!
rex
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8) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
Rex,
I'm glad you like the list and am flattered you think it's mine. 
Fortunately, it's SweetMaria's list.  You wouldn't want me moderating
a list!  But it is a great list with great info.  Tom and his team
(and everyone who contributes) are the folks to thank.
Your routine of going through the beans before roasting is probably a
better practice.  While a stone/pebble in the roaster might be a
problem, it would definitely be a problem in a grinder.  However, with
the iRoast2 roasting chamber being made of glass, maybe I should start
doing it that way.
Thank you for the great tip.
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Brent
Roasting in an SC/TO & i'Roast2
On 3/20/06, beanjolais  wrote:
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9) From:
Brent,
I do no think it is a great tip but something a roaster would do; I go through all of my beans before they hit the roaster. I would think that it would be common practice among homeroasters; perhaps check the tires before your drive from Florida to California.
I know it is not "your" list. I was simply making a statement about this list. Sorry if you were confused.
Seems to be some nice folks around.
rex
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10) From: Brett Mason
Do some Harar have rocks and others do not?  Is this a quality issue?  I
have never received a rock from Tom...
Brett
On 3/20/06, beanjolais  wrote:
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11) From:
Brett,
I have never had rocks in any coffee from Tom and Maria; I have been buying from SM for 6 years.
I would not be concerned about rocks/stones or other debris in my greens.
rex
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12) From: Wesley Simon
I pulled a stem of some sort out of my Harrar Horse.  I've not checked for
rocks though.
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13) From: Jim Anderson
I have found the occasional small rock in the beans, too. The
strangest thing was the time ONE kernel of popcorn somehow found it's
way into some Ethiopian beans. Took me a while to figure out what that
white thing running around inside my I Roast was.
Jim

14) From: Coffee Kid
I have pulled about 5 lil' pebbles/dirt clods, a bit of non-sharp glass, and 2 really cool, mini, peaberries still with the dried exotherm (?) on it (I thought it was a cherry pit at first).  The mini peaberry in the husk is the same size as the other beans.  When you take it out of the husk and parchment you have the mini peaberry (perfect for the diorama of me making espresso with my dream machines in the miniature replica of my kitchen).  
   
  I really like to ponder the fact that the beans I have in my basket are from the four corners of the earth and what different cultures & political climates the folks who have processed my beans live in (bad grammar).  When I say this around here, the wife and friends look at me funny and nod.   I give a quick once over, for foreign matter, before and after the roast.
beanjolais wrote:
  Brett,
I have never had rocks in any coffee from Tom and Maria; I have been buying from SM for 6 years.
I would not be concerned about rocks/stones or other debris in my greens.
rex
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15) From: Larry English
Well, beware anyway.  Tom himself has warned about stones in some of the DP
lots ... caution is advised.
Larry
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Larry,
I think most are agreed that some stuff lives in the greens though I have not had that experience. Perhaps because I really pre-screen my greens. 
Clearly how closely Tom goes through what he receives is not what we can do in our small batches at home. Tom does a great job. We all know there can be a problem. I am surprised that it would be an issue on this list.
Don't you all look at what you put into your roaster?
rex
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I agree Steven, I read that news.
rex
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18) From: Steven Dover
An occasional rock is fairly common for coffees from Africa and Indonesia. I
would NOT consider it a quality issue. It's more like a "fact of life".
Every once in a while you might find a grain of corn too, but not often.
Steve D. ...who loved Ethiopians {Harar, Sidamo, Ghimbi etc.} many years
prior to the recent Harar craze. Who here remembers Harar Mochara? It was
chocolate city! I find myself thinking of MAO - Mr Ogsadie, the Harar Horse
fellow who recently died as the result of a car wreck at 80+ years old. I
almost feel like "a momont of silence" in honor of MAO. I've sure enjoyed a
lot of coffee from the "Harar Horse" exporter.

19) From: Aaron
Well if african coffee's have rocks in them... why can't i ever find one 
of them diamonds from the african mines ... that made it's way into my 
african coffee.......  that is one rock Id not mind finding at all!!
Aaron

20) From: Woody DeCasere
Never found a rock, but did find a corn kernal once.
On 3/20/06, Aaron  wrote:
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21) From: David Echelbarger
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This often happens with patio dried coffees.  I have found many rocks - just
the nature of the game.  I rarely find them in Harar - although just found
two in an older lot I finished with  -- rocks kind of work their way to the
bottom of the bag.  I find them to a larger extent in some of the Yemens.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:31 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: Re: +Harrar Horse caution
Do some Harar have rocks and others do not?  Is this a quality issue?  I
have never received a rock from Tom...
Brett
On 3/20/06, beanjolais  wrote: 
No rocks in my horse!!
rex
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22) From: Marc
Rex,
I always go through the beans before and after roasting (I use a medium
sized baking pan so I can spread them out). Finding something in the green
beans, especially Dry Processed beans is not unexpected. This is just part
of the process - it in now way reflects on Tom's handling or the quality of
his beans - it just is something, like chaff, that comes with roasting gree=
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beans.
So while this isn't an 'issue' or a complaint, only an observation - I
pulled more stuff out of my first roast (6.5 ozs) of the Harar than I've
ever pulled out of a single batch before.http://www.nccs.biz/graphics/debris.jpg (sorry about the colors - not the
right lighting).
-Marc
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David,
right on point but I am still not sure why a homeroaster would not go through greens before roasting; clearly some/most greens have some stuff in them that you don't want to roast.
rex 
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24) From: Bob Adams
Rex,
I believe most of us here buy our greens from SM's. I also believe that this 
coffee is the cleanest in the world because it is the best in the world. We 
are spoiled--two years and I have not found one foreign object in these 
beans!
Think about it--many of these beans are COE winners or winners from other 
competitions. All are from farms or co-ops looking to increase their 
price/#. They are improving  all aspects of coffee cultivation, including 
bagging, if thats what its called.
Spent some time on the COE website this weekend--such an impressive 
undertaking. The prices that some of these greens are going for can astound 
you. The bottom line for us--better and better greens as the free market 
rewards these farmers.

25) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I really like to ponder the fact that the beans I have in my basket 
are from the four corners of the earth and what different cultures & 
political climates the folks who have processed my beans live in (bad 
grammar).  When I say this around here, the wife and friends look at 
me funny and nod.   I give a quick once over, for foreign matter, 
before and after the roast.
That's how I think too. On the subject, I have double standards I 
admit. There are coffees I excuse, and others that I don't. Why ... 
hmmm ... because like Steve says the natural coffees come from more 
rustic production methods, and if you lay coffee out to dry on a clay 
patio next to your house, or on the roof of your house, or where the 
kids are playing, things are going to happen. All DP coffee is 
prepared visually, by hand. They don't have the advantage of 
equipment imported from Brasil, Costa Rica or India to process 
coffee. They can't remove immature "floaters" because there is no 
floating in DP - you have to see immature green coffee after it is 
peeled, and that is a skill. Every defect is simply picked out by 
hand. The fact is, if a coffee is awesome and has a rock in it, I'll 
buy it. Now, glass concerns me a lot. Metal concerns me a lot. And in 
fact rocks do too, in particular we had a coffee with quartz-type 
hard rock, and hand screened it here to pick them out. . (well, we 
only found 3) The rocks you find are very very soft, and would not 
harm a grinder. I know, that's hard to believe but I have literally 
ground rocks found in coffee in a Solis to see if the motor lugged - 
it didn't. We had a Yemen with a real rock problem - I know a lot of 
you remember it. Now, the countries I don't excuse are Centrals - you 
should have to buy 1000 Lbs to find a rock. Brazils, it is possible, 
but extremely rare. I found a dirt clod that actually looked exactly 
like a coffee bean! frankly, most small roasters have a jar of things 
they find in their coffee, and it's a bit of a treasure trove. I have 
seen jars with bottle caps, which I would love to find because I have 
a huge collection, but I never have. Worst thing we found was a 3" 
lag screw, probably off a piece of mill equipment. We found a little 
bee, completely intact, dead of course, from Sumatra. Now, roasters 
who are in the commercial trade find big chunks of concrete, car 
batteries, stuff like that. If a really cheap bad exporter needs the 
bags to weigh the right amount, and the lot is short, I have heard of 
these things. If its coffee that is sold and sold and resold, they 
wont be accountable. In our end, dealing with farms, can you imagine 
how fast word would travel if I found a chunk of concrete in coffee? 
Anyway, search our site for the "foreign matter" photo page I made a 
while back. Sorta amusing.
Tom
Idea: maybe I should start sprinkling little surprises in the coffee 
... it could be like cracker jacks! Okay, now I know for sure I need 
to go to sleep....
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26) From: Aaron
tom said
Tom
Idea: maybe I should start sprinkling little surprises in the coffee ... 
it could be like cracker jacks! Okay, now I know for sure I need to go 
to sleep....
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If yer gonna start giving us little prizes in our coffee tom,  remember 
what I said about the african diamonds in our african coffee now!!
Aaron

27) From: Marc
Here's the page Tom was refering to:http://www.sweetmarias.com/foreign.matter.in.coffee.shtmlTook a little looking so I thought I'd make it easier for others..!
Also a short piece in Tiny Joy:http://www.sweetmarias.com/tiny_joy_html/july-aug01.html-Marc
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28) From:
Bob,
I agree completly. I think Sweet Maeia's has the best greens. You are correct, if you look around the web some prices are crazy.
I like Sweet Maria's because Tom does cupping on every coffee before he buys. No blind buying.
rex
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... it could be like cracker jacks! Okay, now I know for sure I need 
to go to sleep....<<<
little notes in fake rocks for free coffee, like this Tom...
rex
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30) From: Tara Kollas
I found a bone once (not coffee from SM) - I kept it for fun but didn't
really want to contemplate where it came from...
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31) From: Ted
maybe a few  'jumping beans'  here and  there would be fun..? --Ted
On 3/21/06, beanjolais  wrote:
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32) From: Bill Morgan
Finally, here's a picture of my year-and-a-half collection of foreign
objects in coffee roasts.  The small pebble on the left is the only
one so far from 3 batches of the current Horse.http://homepage.mac.com/bilmor/Coffee/CoffeePix.html(Click on the picture for a larger version.)
Bill
On 3/20/06, Bill Morgan  wrote:
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Last roast of last years 532 Horse got 4 bean sized rocks, 3 before, 1
after roast, plus several other bits of "something" non-coffee culled
before roasting.  Haven't had any rocks end up in the grinder yet ...
Bruce


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