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Topic: Harar help (34 msgs / 664 lines)
1) From: National Prison Consultants
Well, I received my 5# of Harar Horse.  Roasted 6 oz to City(3oz) and City
+(3oz).  Resting now and wondering what the best/optimal rest time may be?
24/48 hours or longer.  Any thoughts would be helpful. 
John Webster

2) From:
for this westcoast soul, the longer rest the better for horse.
again john we get back to personal taste.
i would strongly suggest you try your horse asap, again in 12/24 and then wait 4 or 5 days. heck you have 5 pounds to find your sweet spot.

3) From: National Prison Consultants
Rex, I will go with that suggestion but didn't want to rush the rest or
otherwise not find the "best" opportunity for the coffee to show its muscle.

4) From: Bill Morgan
Mine hit its best at 3 days (~60 hrs).  I still don't know about
longer rests, 'cause that's when I ran out.  I'm letting the current
batch sit a little longer before diving in.
On 3/21/06, National Prison Consultants

5) From:
otherwise not find the "best" opportunity for the coffee to show its muscle.<<<
your "best" opportunity is what tastes good to/for you or what you get away with...
Karen made a great point earlier today;  it, coffee, is a matter if taste.  Is the "coffee", pot, scrooms...
the taste is what it is all about for anyone.
John, never rush into any coffee. Could be your downfall.
Horse is the best.

6) From:
as an old horse fan, let it rest. you have other stuff to drink and if not I will send you some to give that horse some room.

7) From: National Prison Consultants
Thanks for the offer......but Tom makes sure that I have other coffee in the
as an old horse fan, let it rest. you have other stuff to drink and if not I
will send you some to give that horse some room.
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8) From:
lucky you,

9) From: Woody DeCasere
I actally like mine the best 48 hours later, it was the brightest, but at 3
days it mellowed a bit and had more of a creamy blueberry taste to it
On 3/21/06, National Prison Consultants 

10) From: Steven Dover
Optimal = 60 to 72 hours imo. Then again...we're all wearing different taste
buds. No matter how you store it, coffee starts to go down hill after 72
hours "to my taste buds". Anyone remember the "super taster" thread? - Steve

11) From: Brett Mason
Sometimes Horse is best after several days.  In the past others have posted
that they were "WOWed" on like the 6th day or 7th day...  Keeping a log
seems to work well with this one.  I gave some greens to my boss and he
hated them - they came back.  All other coffees he has liked...  So horse
seems to be more on the personal taste than others.
Please post your results on how many days rested and which you liked the
3rd day was best for me.
On 3/21/06, National Prison Consultants 

12) From: Woody DeCasere
OK i am on 4th day with the Harar Horse, 2nd day was WOW very sharp
blueberry, 3rd day was Blueberry cream Mmmmm, 4th day, it's started to lose
a bit sdtill there but not as pronounced, before i think i said i like day =
the best, but i want to change that to third day,i guess that would be 60
hours rest???
On 3/22/06, Brett Mason  wrote:
"Good night, and Good Coffee"

13) From: Ben Gold
I found that the extreme blueberry was after a 12 hour rest and it  became less every day. So for max blueberry you only have one day to  enjoy. The earthy musty tones were also highest at 12 hours. I found at  3 and 4 days you had the best body and smoothness but that it was not  the blueberry bombshell anymore. 
  So I plan to roast smaller lots more often. 
National Prison Consultants  wrote:  Well, I received my 5# of Harar Horse.  Roasted 6 oz to City(3oz) and City
+(3oz).  Resting now and wondering what the best/optimal rest time may be?
24/48 hours or longer.  Any thoughts would be helpful. 
John Webster

14) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Body sure comes up after 2-3 days. Harar, like other DP African 
coffees is goign to have variation cup to cup, batch to batch, day to 
day. I don't mind because it makes the really extraordinary cup that 
much more special. How much do you value uniformity in coffee flavors 
to the extraordinary? They are not always mutually exclusive of 
course, but they can be a bit with Harar. Along with our discussion 
of rocks in DP coffeesm and uneven roast color, it's just part of the 
territory. Just think, there are major brands adding coffee flavor 
(and also acidity) artificially (and unlabled) to coffee to produce a 
uniform, consistent flavor experience. I don't suppose anyone on this 
list would endorse that way of thinking about coffee ...
                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
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             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

15) From: raymanowen
What 'ran out?' One and two pound samples are insane. 5 is the way to go,
IMNSHO. Don't risk small quantities unless you already know exactly how you
are going to roast, grind and brew the coffee!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might=
Wichita WurliTzer

16) From: Woody DeCasere
I got 2 pounds to make sure i like it, next pay period i am ordering at
least 5 maybe 10
On 3/22/06, raymanowen  wrote:
"Good night, and Good Coffee"

17) From: Tom Bellhouse
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18) From: David Echelbarger
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I have tasted blueberry in Harar and tasted it in the #30 lot.  Note that
the darker you roast, the harder it may be to taste this.  When I started
roasting, I always took Harar into the 2nd crack just a bit.  Then I started
taking it only to Full City, and this last batch of #30 I did at a City Plus
level.  Don't know why I went so dark before.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Vic DeAmelia
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:47 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: +RE: Harar help
John, I just did a batch on Saturday and this morning (Wednesday)
is the best it's tasted.....very lush and rich, my mouth keeps 
"chewing" after I swallow, so this is what is meant by the "finish"?
 by the way, I get blueberry in the beans
blueberry smells in the grind, and blueberry in the brewing process....but
in the
couple of years I have been roasting don't get an actual taste of blueberry
in the cup....am I taste impaired? anyone??? anyone??? anyone???

19) From: Peter Zulkowski
Me? I never taste or smell blueberries, but enough of you are claiming 
to that I can figure that it is not a conspiracy.
There is something to it.
However, I really enjoy Harrar Horse, blueberry or not. I taste it with 
all of my mouth and tongue, not the same with others which I may only 
taste with certain parts of my mouth or tongue.
Hope I am describing this correctly.
Horse has a fullness that is missing with other coffee Tom sells, to me 
So to test how it is, I bought merely 11 pounds ( Harvey ).
As soon as I knew it was great, I ordered another 60 # more :)
You see I am serious about Horse!
Now I can experiment to try to get blueberries!
First roast was like my usual.. into second crack.
Wonderful coffee, rich and full. Been serving it daily for over a week now.
Always different, but always wonderful.
Yesterday I roasted two batches (1500 Gr total) to just before second crack.
Had it this morning. Richer and fuller than the second crack version ( 
hard to believe, I know) but still no Blueberries.
Will see how it develops over the next week or so :)
C can not taste them either, but she is 'she who must be obeyed', hence..
we are stocked up on Horse for a bit!
Another thing to consider is how much you use to make a pot, and how you 
brew it.
Honestly, I have been creeping up amount of coffee for my Presto 
Scandinavian, and now use over 70 Gr for 8 cups!
Today it tasted a bit strong, to me, but C says it is weak!
Nice finish though. Taste lasts and lasts :)
In regards to cleanliness of the greens.
There is more stuff other than coffee beans in this batch than in any 
other I have gotten from Tom.
Things like pieces of bark? broken beans, corn? beans so ugly they 
should not be there etc.
Even found a few seeds of something or other, and some rocks.
Does that matter?
Naaaa. Not much.
I just have to learn to watch for things now.
Most of the stuff blows away when I dechaf at the end of the roast,
and I am culling the yellow beans now.
Well, you should figure you loose about 17% by weight in a roast, and I 
doubt the 'extras' to be removed change that percentage much.
It is worth the culling and watching to get the taste of Horse.
Very happy Horse is back, here in LHC.
Vic DeAmelia wrote:

20) From: Woody DeCasere
I do think Tom mentioned that this lot was a bit ugly as far as the beans
were concerned, not a perfect astetic bean, but oh so tasty.
"Good night, and Good Coffee"

21) From: Brian Kamnetz
I would be interested in knowing how many ounces comprise your 8 cups
of water. Are these "real" cups, or "coffee pot" cups?
On 3/22/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:

22) From: Peter Zulkowski
coffee pot cups. About 4 oz each I think.
Makes 32 oz of brewed coffee, so we each get a 16 oz mug in the morning :)
Brian Kamnetz wrote:

23) From: Brian Kamnetz
70 g of coffee for 32 oz water.... Yes, Peter, that would generally be
considered pretty strong coffee.
Thanks for the info.
On 3/22/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:
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24) From: raymanowen
"...never taste or smell blueberries"  That's unbelievable- I can't wait to
get my Fiver sample of this lot. I always coax a few snaps into 2nd crack,
then slam on the brakes. From my first cup ten minutes later, to the near
end of the pound 5 days later, I always get blueberries.
Sometimes, like my very first brew, the berry hint is faint but
unmistakable. I had read of it and was wanting to experience it myself.
Neat! I took a cup to da' Judge, my Celtic Critic.
"Well, what?
"Mmm- wonderful. Blueberries!"
Success Story #2, and I hadn't coached her.
The TechniVorm cranks out 10 cups from 40 oz H2O, and I always weigh out
30.0 - 30.2g of beans into The Grinder. It's set to 19 above 0, the dust
setting. Need a stopwatch? With the new burrs, The Grinder is easily done i=
about 3 seconds. 70g of coffee grounds in 32 oz H2O would be a Hellacious
concentration for us albeit not bitter with these beans.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
With some grinders, new burrs would be a moot point-

25) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
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I had my first cups of the Harar this morning and it was wonderful!  Now =
I know what all the fuss is about.  As for the blueberry taste, it was =
very evident as long as the coffee was very hot, but as it cooled the =
taste faded away.

26) From: Brett Mason
Did the blueberry notes ever appear for you, even after some days resting?
My first Harar was last year, and I didn't notice the blueberry until I got
a Silvia and pulled some espresso shots.  I have since found the blueberry
notes more apparent in mokapot and french press as well, but only a nuance
in the drip (Clarity).
On 3/21/06, National Prison Consultants 

27) From: Wesley Simon
After a week, the blueberry notes mellow some.  I roasted last Thursday,
drank it daily since, ordered 20 more pounds last night.  I have about
1.5pounds roasted,
18.5 green, and 20 more on the way.
I have to say that this coffee and the Kenya Gethumbwini have lead me to
really liking the Africans.  I still like the Central American coffees too.
I have yet to find a South American coffee that really stands out; even
though I've tried some of the recent COEs.
On 3/23/06, Brett Mason  wrote:

28) From: Woody DeCasere
Wesley i agree while i like some central/ South American coffees, i am not
drawn to them like i am the African and the Indonisian coffees.
On 3/23/06, Wesley Simon  wrote:
5pounds roasted,
"Good night, and Good Coffee"

29) From: Peter Zulkowski
I will try with the french press, Moka pot, aeropress, and vac pot.
I think my taster is not qualified for this blueberry though.
Otherwise, I love the coffee anyway.
Thanks, Brett
Siphoned too much gasoline for lawnmowers, back in Massachusetts
Brett Mason wrote:

30) From: Bill Morgan
On 3/23/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:
That is possible.  I found that I literally don't have a taste for watermel=
I've never cared all that much for watermelon and wondered why people
make such a big deal of it.  Then I got the clue.  You know those
Jelly Belly jelly beans, which have such intense flavors?  A friend
gave me one she'd loved.  It tasted sweet, with just a trace of
something I was able to identify as watermelon, but very little flavor
at all.  She swore it was every bit as intense a watermelon flavor as
any of the rest of the beans.  So I've given up on dutifully taking a
piece when watermelon is served; I'll leave it for someone who can
enjoy it.
I dearly hope this is not the case for you and blueberry, though.  Do
you normally like blueberry?
It's probably just a matter of playing with different roasts and preparatio=

31) From: Justin Marquez
On 3/23/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:
  (Pssst! "Emperor's New Clothes".....)
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com

32) From: Woody DeCasere
Whats  that mean have you not tasted/smelled it either??
"Good night, and Good Coffee"

33) From: Justin Marquez
On 3/23/06, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
That is correct.  Of course, I don't have the current sooper-berry version,
just two previous ones touted as blueberry nuanced. (Both of which were
excellent - I just never smelled blueberries in them.)  My schnozz is
partially defective - usually allergy stopped up a significant part of the
It was also a hint at the power of suggestion, too.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.com

34) From: Brett Mason
Please report back, Peter...  I am interested in the comparison of brew
methods for Booberries...
On 3/23/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:
Brett Mason
   _(( )_  Please don't spill the coffee!

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